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Hi R. Maruo,
Have you tried printing from another program like Photoshop? If you're seeing a strong red cast even when you change to other profiles, and even with multiple computers, I wonder if you have an issue with your printer itself. Perhaps there are clogged nozzles; have you run the print head cleaning routine recently?
Hi Mr. Hoffman, unfortunately this is not the case.
The print simulation has this strange red cast. I can change the color management profile to another printer and the cast still goes on. And is restricted only to the print module.
I can use the softproof on develop module and the image is fine. There is no red color.
The printer is ok, there is no clogged nozzles.
Ah, I see - I misunderstood. You're seeing the red cast in the Print Module itself, but not in the printed results?
I would lean towards a monitor profile issue, except for the fact that you say you are seeing it on both a Mac and PC. Very odd.
The red color is in the jpeg preview and the print itself. I can change to an Epson Profile, Canon profile and the image has its red color.
The monitor is calibrated with a xrite i1 display pro. Could be the monitor, but it should appear on the develop module too, and that's not the case.
Thanks for your help
This kind of issue has appeared for me in the last LR version, since I've printed some images before the updating with no problem.
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Do you see the red color in Develop if you soft-proof to your printer profile(s)?
Have you reprofiled your monitor since this started to occur, just in case your monitor profile isn’t what you think it should be. Also test with the sRGB profile that mhoffman2001 suggested, just as a temporary test.
Thanks for your help, ssprengel.
The print in jpeg with the srgb profile seems fine. I've tried other printer profiles and the problem seems to the be Epson's. Just tried Canson, Awagami, Hahnmuhle profiles for the 3880, 7900 and P8000 with the same red color. Same photo simulated with Canon IPF6400 seems fine.
I'll try to run another calibration, with the I1 Pro.
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You should only be using a profile that matches your printer and paper, not other printer models' anything.
Can you show us screenshots of your printer driver that shows the color management is turned off but the paper is set to the right kind? I'd expect it to look something like this:
The sRGB I was referring to was what to set the display profile to, not the JPG color profile, which would generally be sRGB for internet and external use, but I'm talking about the monitor profile, the same sort of thing the i1 Display creates, but you set it yourself manually to sRGB-xxxxxxxxx.
If you'd like to confirm that the new version update messed something up, rather than it just being a coincidence, then you can roll back to whatever previous version of LR CC/6 you want by uninstalling LR 6/CC, then downloading and installing LR 6.0/2015.0 "Application Installer", then downloading and installing the Update patch-installer for whatever version you want, both from here:
I am sending you the jpeg images generated with the color profiles. One is solely the adobe RGB color profile, and the other one is a Harmam Matt Cotton Textured.
The first one is a Adobe RGB jpeg simulated print
This one is a Epson 3880 - Harmann Matt Cotton Textured jpeg simulated print (which is the output in the printer).
All four of these images have a red color when I view them in my browser. Are some supposed to look different?
And if I install that ICC profile in my LR I don't see anything strange happen when I switch to it vs some other profile in the LR Print module with LR Manages Colors. The profile came from here: Harman
So I'm not sure if you're seeing something I'm not, or if we're seeing the same thing a what I'd call a very subtle if not imperceptible change in the color intensity that you're calling "strong red cast".
To me all the screenshots you've shown have a reddish photo paper border as compared to the white of the browser background or white of the LR print-module preview area.
The first two ones have the correct skin tone.
The other two ones have a strong red/pink color (not natural).
For me it's not so subtle (maybe because the monitor is really calibrated).
The photo border on the first two images have a small yellowish, which is from the paper that it came the photo.
The last two ones have a strong pinkish/reddish border color.
Sorry you are not able to see. I've tested with some fellow photographers the files and the difference is very clear in the files.
chen_teste_fosco_harman | Flickr - Photo Sharing! - This is the matt cotton textured jpeg simulated print
chen_teste_fosco_adobe_rgb | Flickr - Photo Sharing! - This is the srgb jpeg simulated print.
I hope you can see there is a big difference in the printed colors.
After assigning the proper profile to each photo and viewing side-by-side in PS, I am able to see a difference in the shadows -- Harman shows purple and the shadows in general are lighter, Adobe RGB shows a more proper continuation of lighter wood color into the shadows without a change in hue, but the border still looks vaguely pink in each case, more pink at the top left and less pink at the bottom right. The jpg-print with a Harman profile likely shows lightened shadows because the paper has a lighter blackpoint than the screen.
If you want to share the original photo with its adjustments (as an Exported DNG or as a raw + XMP, on dropbox.com), others can test with their LR to confirm whether there is a difference. Those of us without an Epson printer cannot test by printing, of course, but we can see what the Printing preview looks like, which I think you're saying is also pink.
Printing to a JPG with different color profiles WILL produce different results, but this does not explain why your printing might be off, or why this version of LR is different, unless it's just a coincidence, which you can verify by rolling back to the previous version as suggested in another post.
Here is what I see after assigning the proper color profile to each JPG in your earlier message:
The point of doing a side-by-side within a single image instead of two separate images is to show that things aren't actually different, much, not the borders at least, just the shadows, and overall contrast, when viewed in the same program at the same time so it's not a difference of the embedded profile. BTW, to show the proper colors in this screenshot, I first assigned my monitor profile to it, since a screenshot doesn't have a color profile assigned, then I converted it to sRGB, before including in this reply.
There will be a difference in the two files because they are generated using different color profiles, one being a printer profile with a lighter black point due to both paper and ink reflectance properties, and another that is a generic device profile without these type of issues.
This difference has nothing to do with any problems you're having printing to your physical printer.
I really don't think so. The JPEG file simulation is supposed to be the output to the printer and could and should be used as as softproof. When you re-enter the color profile, you are changing the image itself that was sent to the printer again.
All I'm trying to say is that comparing a JPG with a Harman-Epson profile and a JPG with an Adobe RGB profile doesn't prove anything related to your printer not working, it just means the profiles are different.
And to compare what the print border color is (you say Yellow in one and Pink in the other, I say Pink in both), I made a side-by-side image with four samplers, and the corresponding colors of the two images are remarkably the same, and explainable by the difference in where I dropped the color sampler in each, which isn't the exactly same pixel.
For example the top-left corner of the Harman image is 241,228,223 and the top-left corner of the Adobe RGB image is 241, 228, 223 which are identical. The bottom right corner of the images varies only by 2 at most.
As far as what color the border is, it's more clear if the Saturation is increased in each photo using PS / Edit / Adj / Hue/Sat: Master-Sat=+100:
Red is the brightest color in the samplers but Green is slightly brighter than Blue so it's pinkish orange rather than pinkish-purple, but not yellow, and more importantly, one is not significantly different than the other in the border area, just in the shadows, where the Harman one seems to get clipped to either purple or green, probably to counteract some ink reflectance differences in the dark areas.
It's possible things look more yellow if your monitor whitepoint is different than mine. What white-point are you calibrated to? Mine is D75/7500K, so reasonably blue.
It is possible that LR is doing something different and wrong when creating the JPG with the Harman-Epson profile but just comparing it to an image LR created with the Adobe RGB profile doesn't prove anything.
If you feel something changed in LR this last time, then print to a JPG with the Harman-Epson profile, then roll back to LR 6.5 or LR 6.4 or whatever version you were using previously, then print to the JPG, again, and compare the two. That would be a proper side-by-side to demonstrate something is wrong. You'd obviously want to try printing to the printer, as well, to see if it works with the older LR version, but printing to a JPG would be the first step so you don't waste paper.
It's one reason I'm asking for the original image and its settings, so someone else can try the two versions of LR or at least try their version of LR and see if the screenshot and images are similar to what you've shared, already.
Really thanks for your help,
The JPEG print file is being processed really wrong on LR, I reviewed the morning print that i had run early and it is fine although the preview had the strange cast.
On the other hand, the colors when managed just by the printer are terrible as I'm reviewing another print from today.
I'll have to use the softproof on the develop module and export to a file.
Thanks for your help, again.
What is your Print workflow if you soft proof in Develop and export to a file. What do you do with that exported file to get it to print ok? What color profile do you assign to it? What program do you use to do the printing and what settings on the printer?
I have installed an Epson 3880 printer driver 6.63 on Windows 7 64-bit and installed the Harman-Epson paper profile you use and set the printer settings the same as they are on your screenshot, and I don't see anything weird happen in the Print Preview area. As a starting image I used your Adobe RGB version, cropped to the actual image, then used Levels / Options / Find Light and Dark Colors to neutralize the border area, saved as a 16-bit TIF, then imported into LR. In LR I further shift-double-clicked on the Highlights, Whites and Blacks sliders to set their Auto mode. Without your original this is the best I could do.
Here is what I see in Develop:
Here is what I see in the Print module with the Epson printer selected and options set the same as yours as best I can see:
Here are the actual print options:
Here is the Adobe RGB profile print-to-jpg file:
Here is the Harman-Epson profile print-to-jpg file:
Here is a JPG version of the border-neutralized TIF I started with:
Every single one of these has the same neutral border I started with so no color casts in Print Preview or Print-to-JPEG File. And, as expected, the Harman-Epson print-to-JPG image has purple casts in the shadows and less contrast, but no overall color cast.
If you can supply an original raw + settings, I can try to replicate your scenario and pass the information on to Adobe if there is actually a bug, but otherwise, I'm not sure what else to tell you, that hasn't already been said, and so far ignored: setting the display profile to sRGB, rolling back the LR version to see if it really is version related, and the new suggestion, turning off the GPU.