14 Replies Latest reply on May 19, 2006 9:55 PM by LucyMelbourne

    Question for Murray

    LucyMelbourne
      Hi Murray! Long time no see!

      I hope that you have been keeping to the Twinkie diet, and that you are all mellowed out. If so, then I have a question for you, and I hope you can help me.

      I have just upgraded to Dreamweaver 8/Fireworks 8. I am building a new website using these versions.

      I have built a NavBar with pop up submenus in Fireworks, and exported it to Dreamweaver.

      In the new website, I have created three templates which form the basis for a number of pages each. I would like to have a provision whereby I can update the NavBar/sub menus in all of the templates, and subsequently their daughter pages, as the menu/site content changes.

      I have tried to do this by creating a NavBar library item and inserting the NavBar into the templates from the library.

      However, when I do this, I get the error message: "There is an error at line xx, column yy. Nested editable regions." I can still save the page, and the menus seem to work, but the error message makes me nervous. I don't want to continue with this only to have the site crash when I am half finished.

      Therefore, I have tried the alternative of inserting the Fireworks html code directly into each of the three templates in the same spot as I do for the library item. This works fine, and I get no error message. Of course, now if I want to change the menu, I have to reinsert it into each of the three templates.

      Do you have any ideas on this?

      Thanks for your help.

      Lucy
        • 1. Re: Question for Murray
          Level 7
          > Hi Murray! Long time no see!

          Welcome back.

          > I hope that you have been keeping to the Twinkie diet

          You have NO idea! 8)

          > I have built a NavBar with pop up submenus in Fireworks, and exported it
          > to
          > Dreamweaver.

          <drum roll> UGH! </drum roll>

          Why?

          > Do you have any ideas on this?

          I would need to see the code. Why on earth are you using the FW pop-up
          menus? That's a short ticket to the loony bin....

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          "LucyMelbourne" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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          > Hi Murray! Long time no see!
          >
          > I hope that you have been keeping to the Twinkie diet, and that you are
          > all
          > mellowed out. If so, then I have a question for you, and I hope you can
          > help me.
          >
          > I have just upgraded to Dreamweaver 8/Fireworks 8. I am building a new
          > website
          > using these versions.
          >
          > I have built a NavBar with pop up submenus in Fireworks, and exported it
          > to
          > Dreamweaver.
          >
          > In the new website, I have created three templates which form the basis
          > for a
          > number of pages each. I would like to have a provision whereby I can
          > update the
          > NavBar/sub menus in all of the templates, and subsequently their daughter
          > pages, as the menu/site content changes.
          >
          > I have tried to do this by creating a NavBar library item and inserting
          > the
          > NavBar into the templates from the library.
          >
          > However, when I do this, I get the error message: "There is an error at
          > line
          > xx, column yy. Nested editable regions." I can still save the page, and
          > the
          > menus seem to work, but the error message makes me nervous. I don't want
          > to
          > continue with this only to have the site crash when I am half finished.
          >
          > Therefore, I have tried the alternative of inserting the Fireworks html
          > code
          > directly into each of the three templates in the same spot as I do for the
          > library item. This works fine, and I get no error message. Of course, now
          > if I
          > want to change the menu, I have to reinsert it into each of the three
          > templates.
          >
          > Do you have any ideas on this?
          >
          > Thanks for your help.
          >
          > Lucy
          >


          • 2. Re: Question for Murray
            Level 7
            Does she realize that she's posting on a public forum? Just wondering.


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            "Murray *ACE*" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
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            >> Hi Murray! Long time no see!
            >
            > Welcome back.
            >
            >> I hope that you have been keeping to the Twinkie diet
            >
            > You have NO idea! 8)
            >
            >> I have built a NavBar with pop up submenus in Fireworks, and exported it
            >> to
            >> Dreamweaver.
            >
            > <drum roll> UGH! </drum roll>
            >
            > Why?
            >
            >> Do you have any ideas on this?
            >
            > I would need to see the code. Why on earth are you using the FW pop-up
            > menus? That's a short ticket to the loony bin....
            >
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            > "LucyMelbourne" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
            > news:e4bn1i$css$1@forums.macromedia.com...
            >> Hi Murray! Long time no see!
            >>
            >> I hope that you have been keeping to the Twinkie diet, and that you are
            >> all
            >> mellowed out. If so, then I have a question for you, and I hope you can
            >> help me.
            >>
            >> I have just upgraded to Dreamweaver 8/Fireworks 8. I am building a new
            >> website
            >> using these versions.
            >>
            >> I have built a NavBar with pop up submenus in Fireworks, and exported it
            >> to
            >> Dreamweaver.
            >>
            >> In the new website, I have created three templates which form the basis
            >> for a
            >> number of pages each. I would like to have a provision whereby I can
            >> update the
            >> NavBar/sub menus in all of the templates, and subsequently their daughter
            >> pages, as the menu/site content changes.
            >>
            >> I have tried to do this by creating a NavBar library item and inserting
            >> the
            >> NavBar into the templates from the library.
            >>
            >> However, when I do this, I get the error message: "There is an error at
            >> line
            >> xx, column yy. Nested editable regions." I can still save the page, and
            >> the
            >> menus seem to work, but the error message makes me nervous. I don't want
            >> to
            >> continue with this only to have the site crash when I am half finished.
            >>
            >> Therefore, I have tried the alternative of inserting the Fireworks html
            >> code
            >> directly into each of the three templates in the same spot as I do for
            >> the
            >> library item. This works fine, and I get no error message. Of course, now
            >> if I
            >> want to change the menu, I have to reinsert it into each of the three
            >> templates.
            >>
            >> Do you have any ideas on this?
            >>
            >> Thanks for your help.
            >>
            >> Lucy
            >>
            >
            >


            • 3. Re: Question for Murray
              Level 7
              She didn't sign it "Love, Lucy" though....

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              "P@tty Ayers" <patty@REMOVEcarolinawebsolutions.com> wrote in message
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              > Does she realize that she's posting on a public forum? Just wondering.
              >
              >
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              > "Murray *ACE*" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
              > news:e4caoj$875$1@forums.macromedia.com...
              >>> Hi Murray! Long time no see!
              >>
              >> Welcome back.
              >>
              >>> I hope that you have been keeping to the Twinkie diet
              >>
              >> You have NO idea! 8)
              >>
              >>> I have built a NavBar with pop up submenus in Fireworks, and exported it
              >>> to
              >>> Dreamweaver.
              >>
              >> <drum roll> UGH! </drum roll>
              >>
              >> Why?
              >>
              >>> Do you have any ideas on this?
              >>
              >> I would need to see the code. Why on earth are you using the FW pop-up
              >> menus? That's a short ticket to the loony bin....
              >>
              >> --
              >> Murray --- ICQ 71997575
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              >>
              >>
              >> "LucyMelbourne" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
              >> news:e4bn1i$css$1@forums.macromedia.com...
              >>> Hi Murray! Long time no see!
              >>>
              >>> I hope that you have been keeping to the Twinkie diet, and that you are
              >>> all
              >>> mellowed out. If so, then I have a question for you, and I hope you can
              >>> help me.
              >>>
              >>> I have just upgraded to Dreamweaver 8/Fireworks 8. I am building a new
              >>> website
              >>> using these versions.
              >>>
              >>> I have built a NavBar with pop up submenus in Fireworks, and exported it
              >>> to
              >>> Dreamweaver.
              >>>
              >>> In the new website, I have created three templates which form the basis
              >>> for a
              >>> number of pages each. I would like to have a provision whereby I can
              >>> update the
              >>> NavBar/sub menus in all of the templates, and subsequently their
              >>> daughter
              >>> pages, as the menu/site content changes.
              >>>
              >>> I have tried to do this by creating a NavBar library item and inserting
              >>> the
              >>> NavBar into the templates from the library.
              >>>
              >>> However, when I do this, I get the error message: "There is an error at
              >>> line
              >>> xx, column yy. Nested editable regions." I can still save the page, and
              >>> the
              >>> menus seem to work, but the error message makes me nervous. I don't want
              >>> to
              >>> continue with this only to have the site crash when I am half finished.
              >>>
              >>> Therefore, I have tried the alternative of inserting the Fireworks html
              >>> code
              >>> directly into each of the three templates in the same spot as I do for
              >>> the
              >>> library item. This works fine, and I get no error message. Of course,
              >>> now if I
              >>> want to change the menu, I have to reinsert it into each of the three
              >>> templates.
              >>>
              >>> Do you have any ideas on this?
              >>>
              >>> Thanks for your help.
              >>>
              >>> Lucy
              >>>
              >>
              >>
              >
              >


              • 4. Re: Question for Murray
                LucyMelbourne Level 1
                Hi Murray:

                Thanks for your response. Also, I do realise this is a public forum, and I am hoping that if anybody else has anything to contribute, they will feel free to do so. Just because I encouraged Murray to start on the Twinkies Diet doesn't mean that the Twinkies club has exclusive membership. If everybody was on the Twinkies Diet, the world would be a much better place.

                I did the Fireworks thing because it seemed like a good idea at the time. When I mentioned that I had been experimenting with Xara, you almost choked on your Twinkie, so I figured that maybe Xara wasn't the way to go. Fireworks, while not wonderful, seems to do the job.

                The problem I seem to be having is that the library function seems to have problems with layers. In order to position the NavBar, I created a layout cell, then placed a layer within that cell, then placed the Navbar in that.This generated the error message. If I did the same thing, but didn't use the layer for positioning, I also got the error message.

                What alternative do you suggest to Fireworks?

                Thanks
                Lucy.

                PS: How do I attach code to this message?
                • 5. Re: Question for Murray
                  Level 7
                  > I did the Fireworks thing because it seemed like a good idea at the time.
                  > When
                  > I mentioned that I had been experimenting with Xara, you almost choked on
                  > your
                  > Twinkie, so I figured that maybe Xara wasn't the way to go. Fireworks,
                  > while
                  > not wonderful, seems to do the job.

                  It doesn't. It is just Xara in another icing, so to speak.

                  > The problem I seem to be having is that the library function seems to have
                  > problems with layers.

                  It does not.

                  > In order to position the NavBar, I created a layout cell,
                  > then placed a layer within that cell

                  http://www.great-web-sights.com/g_layerlaws.asp

                  > This
                  > generated the error message

                  Simply placing a layer into a !LAYOUT CELL! (ugh) would not generate an
                  error message.

                  > If I did the same thing, but didn't use the layer
                  > for positioning, I also got the error message.

                  There's your proof.

                  > What alternative do you suggest to Fireworks?

                  Anything, really, but the best alternatives that I have found are those at
                  the PVII site - http://www.projectseven.com/ - including both the free
                  tutorials/extensions and the commercial ones.

                  > PS: How do I attach code to this message?

                  Copy it to the clipboard and paste it into your post.

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                  • 6. Re: Question for Murray
                    LucyMelbourne Level 1
                    Hi Murray:
                    Thanks for your comments again. I really do appreciate the time you are giving me.

                    While I understand that you are not too keen on Fireworks and other similar navbar utilities, I am currently stuck with what I have. So, I have to persevere.

                    I did some more experimenting: I created two pages from scratch, with no content. In one, I inserted the Fireworks HTML code directly; in the other I inserted it as a library item.

                    The direct insert worked fine with no error message; the library insert generated an error message.

                    I have looked at the code for both pages. When I compare it line for line, it looks identical to me. I can't see any difference.

                    The error message states that the problem is at line 69 in the "Library Insert" file. But this line, and all the adjacent lines look identical to that of the direct insert page.

                    I will attach the code for both pages, and maybe you can spot the problem.

                    Whoops! I have failed in numerous attempts to send you code. Even the error block exceeds the allowed message length.

                    If you have any ideas based on what I have told you so far, please let me know. In the meantime, I guess I will have to bite the bullet and go with the three templates and update each individually.

                    Thanks for your help.
                    Lucy

                    • 7. Re: Question for Murray
                      Level 7
                      > I am currently stuck with what I have. So, I have to
                      > persevere.

                      Why?

                      > The direct insert worked fine with no error message; the library insert
                      > generated an error message.

                      Yes, that's expected. Making them work in Library items requires a good
                      understanding of how Library items work, and how the menus work. It can be
                      done.

                      > I will attach the code for both pages, and maybe you can spot the problem.

                      Just upload the pages and post a link to them.

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                      "LucyMelbourne" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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                      > Hi Murray:
                      > Thanks for your comments again. I really do appreciate the time you are
                      > giving
                      > me.
                      >
                      > While I understand that you are not too keen on Fireworks and other
                      > similar
                      > navbar utilities, I am currently stuck with what I have. So, I have to
                      > persevere.
                      >
                      > I did some more experimenting: I created two pages from scratch, with no
                      > content. In one, I inserted the Fireworks HTML code directly; in the other
                      > I
                      > inserted it as a library item.
                      >
                      > The direct insert worked fine with no error message; the library insert
                      > generated an error message.
                      >
                      > I have looked at the code for both pages. When I compare it line for line,
                      > it
                      > looks identical to me. I can't see any difference.
                      >
                      > The error message states that the problem is at line 69 in the "Library
                      > Insert" file. But this line, and all the adjacent lines look identical to
                      > that
                      > of the direct insert page.
                      >
                      > I will attach the code for both pages, and maybe you can spot the problem.
                      >
                      > Whoops! I have failed in numerous attempts to send you code. Even the
                      > error
                      > block exceeds the allowed message length.
                      >
                      > If you have any ideas based on what I have told you so far, please let me
                      > know. In the meantime, I guess I will have to bite the bullet and go with
                      > the
                      > three templates and update each individually.
                      >
                      > Thanks for your help.
                      > Lucy
                      >
                      >
                      >


                      • 8. Re: Question for Murray
                        Level 7
                        "Murray *ACE*" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
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                        >> I will attach the code for both pages, and maybe you can spot the
                        >> problem.
                        >
                        > Just upload the pages and post a link to them.

                        Definitely post a link to the page as Murray suggested, I can only image
                        what the webforum will do to all the code generated by that menu ...


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                        • 9. Re: Question for Murray
                          LucyMelbourne Level 1
                          Hi Murray:

                          Thanks for your reply.

                          I am stuck with Fireworks or Xara because I have to work for a living and that is what I have been given.

                          Also, I can't upload because it is a work in progress and not ready yet. I don't think the client has even bought a name yet, and I am not allowed to show his code without his approval.

                          Unfortunately, it is the middle of winter here, otherwise I would go down to the beach and sulk. Sooooooo, looks like back to the drawing board! Sigh.................

                          Thanks for your help anyway Murray.

                          Lucy
                          • 10. Re: Question for Murray
                            Level 7
                            "LucyMelbourne" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message


                            > Unfortunately, it is the middle of winter here, otherwise I would go down
                            > to
                            > the beach and sulk.

                            Middle of winter - not quite yet here in NSW ;-) but then again you are
                            in Melbourne right? <lol>

                            PS: Lucy, really you don't need to spend any money on any other menus, you
                            can always use the tutorials at the pvii site to build them yourself and
                            save yourself a lot of heartache.


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                            • 11. Re: Question for Murray
                              Level 7
                              ".: Nadia :. ACE :." <forums@NOWAYperrelink.com.au> wrote:

                              >"LucyMelbourne" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
                              >
                              >
                              >> Unfortunately, it is the middle of winter here, otherwise I would go down
                              >> to
                              >> the beach and sulk.
                              >
                              >Middle of winter - not quite yet here in NSW ;-) but then again you are
                              >in Melbourne right? <lol>
                              >
                              Definitely the middle of winter in Melbourne! Melbourne only has two seasons;
                              winter runs from the end of March till Christmas, and the temperature will be
                              somewhere between 0 & 40�C, and summer runs from Christmas till the end of
                              March, and the temperature will be somewhere between 10 and 50�C.

                              (And interesting to find two other locals here.)

                              Clancy (of the Overflow)

                              Clancy@cybec.com.au
                              • 12. Re: Question for Murray
                                Level 7
                                LucyMelbourne wrote:
                                > Hi Murray:
                                > Thanks for your comments again. I really do appreciate the time you are giving
                                > me.
                                >
                                > While I understand that you are not too keen on Fireworks and other similar
                                > navbar utilities,

                                If I may interject here, Fireworks is not a navbar utility. It was
                                developed for creating Web GRAPHICS, and is and outstanding tool when
                                used in that way.


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                                • 13. Re: Question for Murray
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                                  "Clancy" <clancy@cybec.com.au> wrote in message
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                                  > Definitely the middle of winter in Melbourne! Melbourne only has two
                                  > seasons;
                                  > winter runs from the end of March till Christmas, and the temperature will
                                  > be
                                  > somewhere between 0 & 40�C, and summer runs from Christmas till the end of
                                  > March, and the temperature will be somewhere between 10 and 50�C.
                                  >
                                  > (And interesting to find two other locals here.)

                                  Clancy,

                                  I gather you're from Melbourne too? You'd be surprised, there are quite a
                                  few Aussies and New Zealanders around the forum ;-)


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                                  • 14. Re: Question for Murray
                                    LucyMelbourne Level 1
                                    Hi All:

                                    You may all laugh and make fun of our challenged climate here in Melbourne, but I will have you know that I have a fur lined bikini, and it works just fine!

                                    LOL

                                    Lucy