31 Replies Latest reply on Mar 17, 2017 11:43 AM by Kelnok902

    GTX 1080/1070

    lucagiamattei Level 1

      Good evening,

       

      I am planning to buy a new GTX1080 or a GTX 1070 for 3D rendering, Pr Pro, AE and all CS Apps. I read that the new architecture Pascal are not supported yet by Adobe. Is it true?

       

      Thank you for your time.

        • 1. Re: GTX 1080/1070
          Vixxxie Level 1

          The GTX 1070 and 1080 at the moment are having problems with the preview/video engine playback. If you choose the accelerated cuda GPU as your playback device the preview screens (all of them) will go black and you wont see anything at all, only hear the audio. People are saying this is a driver issue so we just have to wait and until then use the software playback.

           

          I have the MSI GTX 1080 gaming X and this is the exact problem im having.

           

          EDIT: I just tried to render/export a video with my GPU and i cant even do that, gave me an error. I have to use the software render which takes literally forever...

          Guess i have to go back to sony vegas until this is fixed...

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          • 2. Re: GTX 1080/1070
            lucagiamattei Level 1

            Thank you for your reply. Is sad, I can understand that new nardware need to be optimize, but we are in 2016 and Nvidia and Adobe should work together to solve compatibility issues.

            • 3. Re: GTX 1080/1070
              RjL190365 Level 5

              The problems are that Adobe has not updated its Mercury Playback Engine in well over a year, and that Sony now no longer owns the Vegas software line (Vegas is now owned by MAGIX). Also, with Vegas and that GTX 1070 you're pretty much stuck with CPU-only (or "software-only") rendering because Vegas only supports CUDA with the ancient Tesla- and Fermi-architecture GPUs and nVidia GeForce GPUs in general perform much worse than AMD Radeon GPUs when both are running in OpenCL mode.

              • 4. Re: GTX 1080/1070
                Vixxxie Level 1

                I fixed this issue several days ago, i started with a windows reinstall and installed the older 368.25 driver and everything worked perfectly. Then i go to nvidia reddit and see a new driver (368.81) and install it. Everything now works perfectly, i dont think it was the windows reinstall that fixed it because that windows install was relatively new anyways so it had to be the 368.69 driver that messed things up.

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                • 5. Re: GTX 1080/1070
                  lucagiamattei Level 1

                  Thank you so much!
                  Now I can upgrade to a new workstation.

                  • 6. Re: GTX 1080/1070
                    Bill Gehrke Most Valuable Participant

                    To all!

                     

                    I just got my first Premiere Pro BenchMark (PPBM) submission of results that uses a GTX 1080.  In PPBM we have a exaggerated timeline that uses lots of GPU MPE accelerated effects and features,  If this is run once with GPU acceleration and a second time with only the CPU (no GPU acceleration) you get two results which show the gain from the GPU acceleration.  The best I have been able to do with a single GPU on my OC i7-5960X system is ~15.  Now I do not have anything faster than a GTX 970 and/or a GTX 780 Ti.  These new results show a single GTX 1080 with an amazing gain of 25.3 using Windows 10 with a 368.81 driver and Premiere from CC2015.3.

                     

                    I have been able to get a gain of 25 by using 2 GPU's, and by going to three GPU's getting a gain of 30.

                     

                    I just got word from Spencer that he is successfully editing RED Epic Dragon on this 4.4GHz overclocked i7-3930K with 32 GB of RAM

                     

                    Harm built an New Monster just before he died and the gain on it with a GTX 980 Ti was 17.8.

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                    • 7. Re: GTX 1080/1070
                      spnsir Level 2

                      Thanks Bill! I upgraded from the GTX 760 and it's been great so far. My gain with the 760 was 11.3, so, a big difference and Premiere has not been crashing while editing RED footage now whereas it would tank every couple hours before using the 760.

                      • 8. Re: GTX 1080/1070
                        KlokwerksVideo Level 1

                        When you say a gain of 15 or 25, are you talking about percent or times?

                        • 9. Re: GTX 1080/1070
                          Bill Gehrke Most Valuable Participant

                          I am talk about times, for instance my over clocked GTX 780 Ti performs the test in 18 seconds and without GPU assistance it takes 275 seconds.  Now remember this is a loaded benchmark to test capability and not what you would be seeing in a "typical" timeline

                          • 10. Re: GTX 1080/1070
                            RjL190365 Level 5

                            Holy cow! Before I get any of the GTX 1000 series GPUs, I would love to see the PPBM results for exports to H.264 Blu-ray from a timeline. If Pascal is a sizable improvement over even Maxwell for that test, then my main i7-4790K rig might justify a GTX 1060 or 1070 (but a 1080 would be clearly overkill for this hyperthreading-enabled quad-core CPU-based system).

                            • 11. Re: GTX 1080/1070
                              spnsir Level 2

                              Wouldn't the H.264 BR results be more indicative of CPU/RAM? From the PPBM Test Methodology page:

                               

                              "H.264 test:

                              Here the speed of CPU/RAM communication is king. Number of cores, clock speed and the amount of CPU cache are very important. Dual processor systems are somewhat hampered by the 2 chip communication, but mostly by their clock speed."

                               

                              Interested in your response because you guys know a lot more than I do about this stuff. Here were my results with the GTX 1080:

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                              System:

                              3930K OC'd 4.4GHz

                              32GB DDR3 1600

                              P9X79

                              GTX 1080

                              OCZ Vertex 4 256GB System Drive

                              Kingston 120GB Cache Drive

                              3x1TB Samsung 850 EVO (Windows Software RAID0) Project Drive

                              Many Backup HDDs

                              Corsair H80

                              • 12. Re: GTX 1080/1070
                                Bill Gehrke Most Valuable Participant

                                RjL190365 wrote:


                                Holy cow! Before I get any of the GTX 1000 series GPUs, I would love to see the PPBM results for exports to H.264 Blu-ray from a timeline. If Pascal is a sizable improvement over even Maxwell for that test, then my main i7-4790K rig might justify a GTX 1060 or 1070 (but a 1080 would be clearly overkill for this hyperthreading-enabled quad-core CPU-based system).

                                Well as you can see from above the h.264 Blu-ray export with the GTX 1080 was 80 seconds and I just dug up Spencer's earlier results where the only change was his use of a GTX 760.  With the GTX 760 it took 121 seconds and with the GTX1080 it was 80 seconds.  Maybe we can ask Spencer to run one more test for us which is not normally done in PPBM but will give Randall and others valuable information.  Later I will pass the info to him on how to do it and retrieve the data on a CPU-only h.264 run so we can see the h.264 gain for both configurations

                                • 13. Re: GTX 1080/1070
                                  spnsir Level 2

                                  Yeah I'd love to help. Should I run the h264 BR test in software MPE-mode to negate the GPU?

                                  • 14. Re: GTX 1080/1070
                                    Bill Gehrke Most Valuable Participant

                                    I think that would be great.  Just delete the current "H.264 test.m4v" file and turn off GPU acceleration and export that file.  It probably will be around a 1000 seconds.  I did it on my laptop and it took 1385 seconds and on my 8-core, 4.5 GHz i7-5960X it was 460 seconds.  That gives this laptop with a GTX 765M GPU a H.264 Blu-ray gain of 1385/201 =  a gain of 6.9.  Also I sent you the updated Statistics file for Premiere 10.3.

                                     

                                    This will give RJL and the forum the gain numbers with your GTX 1080 and your older GTX 760 for the exporting of the H.264 Blu-ray timeline.  It will not be as dramatic as the MPEG2-DVD export as the H.264 Blu-ray export is much more CPU intensive

                                    • 15. Re: GTX 1080/1070
                                      RjL190365 Level 5

                                      I agree that the H.264 export is more heavily CPU intensive. My results on both of my desktop PCs bear this out. On my main i7-4790K (overclocked to 4.7 GHz) PC with the GTX 970, my H.264 results were 884/95 for a GPU gain of 9.3. On my i3-6100 breadbox with the GTX 960, they were 2039/197 for a gain of 10.4.

                                      • 16. Re: GTX 1080/1070
                                        spnsir Level 2

                                        h264 Test:

                                         

                                        Render time was approx. 814 seconds*

                                        GTX 1080 time was 80 seconds

                                         

                                        814/80 = 10.2 GPU gain

                                         

                                        *I looked at the file created and modified timestamps - It may be more accurate using the Statistics file, but I didn't have the other files rendered so the stats file fails. I know the stats file looks at created and modified timestamps as well

                                        • 17. Re: GTX 1080/1070
                                          milkmade Level 1

                                          Just ordered my 1070 Gtx! I'm so excited to see the updates on this thread. I was planning on waiting a little bit longer due to these Premiere issues and the current over-priced climate but I saw a deal on Jet.com for $375, free shipping and no tax for an Asus ROG Strix 1070. It should come next week. I knew Pascal would bring a nice speed-up to Premiere. I can't wait for adobe to update MCE and get even more performance out of it down the line.

                                           

                                          i7 6800k is my next purchase. I will post PPBM scores when I get it all together, thanks for the updates Bill!

                                          • 18. Re: GTX 1080/1070
                                            vigilant_spb Level 1

                                            Got GTX 1060 and same problem with the black screen in preview.

                                             

                                            Found strange thing: GPU Core is 1595/1810 (regular/boost) by default. If I overclock boost to 2000MHz = black screen, and if downclock to 1960 preview is ok again.

                                            Double checked, it really depends on this setting.

                                             

                                            Also I don't see any rendering speed up in comparison with my old GTX 570... same slow, 4k playback also didn't get much better, may be little bit.

                                            When rendering GPU load is 20-30%, how do I load it more?

                                            • 19. Re: GTX 1080/1070
                                              Bill Gehrke Most Valuable Participant

                                              If you want improved Premiere Pro GPU performance from an nVidia CUDA card you do not have to adjust the GPU Core speed.  All you have to do is boost the Memory Clock speed.  Here is my GTX 1060 SC overclocked to 2400 MHz.  To get to this actuall speed use your Overclocking tool to set the Memory Clock to 2500MHz, for some reason nVidia down clocks it to 2400 MHz when any CUDA application is running.  The Memory Clock is really the only help with CUDA applicsations.  You can also see that the other settings Power, Fan Speed are still all very conservative even under high GPU loading.

                                               

                                              GTX 1060 OC Both.png

                                              • 20. Re: GTX 1080/1070
                                                vigilant_spb Level 1

                                                Image 3.png

                                                 

                                                that's my Premiere Cuda export...

                                                 

                                                and here is stupid Gigabyte utility

                                                 

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                                                so this 1060 has 8000MHz memory clock or I don't understand what you're talking about

                                                but in GPU-Z i see max about 2300MHz..

                                                • 21. Re: GTX 1080/1070
                                                  Bill Gehrke Most Valuable Participant

                                                  If you use a tool like Speccy you can see that there are 4 different levels of Memory Clock/Shader Clock speed.  For some reason the drivers for CUDA applications are limited to Level 3 so you will not see Level 4 for Adobe software.

                                                  Now just to confuse you more you will also notice that there are 3 different ways of specifying the Memory Clock frequency.  Some tools like GPU-Z use the true base frequency like below:  Notice the Default Memory Clock on my card is 2002 MHz, but it was overclocked by me to 2502 MHz but to further complicate specifications if you look a the Sensors Tab you will see that rather than running at 2502 MHz it really is 2399.6 MHz because it is restricted to only run at Level 3 as you saw above.  Now some people like the larger numbers so they use 2x the clock rate which apparently is the real Memory Clock.  Notice below that GPU-Z shows the default Memory clock to be 2002 MHz while above Speccy shows it as 4004 MHz.  The third way of specifying it is to use the nVidia Virtual Memory Clock rate of 4x the base frequency which of course is 8 Gbits/second or 8008 MHz.

                                                  GTX 1060 OC.jpg

                                                  I hope this helps rather that confuses the issue

                                                  So my GTX 1060 at the overclock speed is 9.6 Gbits/second virtual speed

                                                  • 22. Re: GTX 1080/1070
                                                    Shutterlab Level 1

                                                    I see that the GTX 1000 series has had some issues with Adobe. Is this still the case? Have the resolved these issues?

                                                    • 23. Re: GTX 1080/1070
                                                      Bill Gehrke Most Valuable Participant

                                                      I have seen great results from GTX 1060, GTX 1070, and GTX 1080.  If someone is having problems it generally is finding the right nVidia drivers.

                                                      • 24. Re: GTX 1080/1070
                                                        cvid01 Level 4

                                                        I know you run the GTX 1060 - which version of the nVidia driver do you use?

                                                        • 25. Re: GTX 1080/1070
                                                          Bill Gehrke Most Valuable Participant

                                                          Very interesting question!

                                                          With my Windows 10 boot drive (I have three boot drives) and Premiere 11.0.1 I have nVidia 375.86. Everything works great. 

                                                          This past week I fired up that configuration and tried running my PPBM tests with Premiere 8.2 and found that I could not export the h.264 timeline, Premiere  throws the below error message.  So I rebooted to Windows 8 and found that there I had nVidia 372.90 installed and that the h.264 timeline exported fine.

                                                           

                                                          This was the error message from a direct export from Premiere:

                                                          • 26. Re: GTX 1080/1070
                                                            cvid01 Level 4

                                                            Thanks for your prompt response. I'm running Windows 8.1 - Windows 10 works, but my DVD printer drivers do not work with Windows 10.

                                                            • 27. Re: GTX 1080/1070
                                                              Shutterlab Level 1

                                                              I have the ASUS Strix GTX1080 and the GPU acceleration is inaccessible. I have driver v376.33.

                                                               

                                                              Any ideas on how to re-enable the card?

                                                               

                                                              Thanks for your help!

                                                               

                                                              Update:
                                                              In case someone else has this issue, after clean installing the nvidia drivers everything is working as it should!

                                                              • 28. Re: GTX 1080/1070
                                                                anton88-07@inbox.ru

                                                                Hello!

                                                                Immediately apologize for my bad English)))

                                                                I bought a laptop Asus ROG G752VS to work in Adobe Premiere Pro. On the laptop Fixed: 6700 i7 HQ, the GTX 1070, 48 GB of memory, the SSD 256, 1000 SSD.

                                                                When playing video DJI Phantom and 4 CAMERA Sony A6500 (xavc) processor hammered by 100% and start missing shots (CUDA activated support). I understand processor clogged decoding video files for playback. For example, in a monoblock Lenovo ThinkCentre without Nvidia graphics card, only with Intel HD Graphics 520 Tacca passes and no processor loaded on 30-70%.

                                                                Can I somehow configure the hardware decoding of h.264 on 1070 GTX in Adobe Premiere?

                                                                Thank you in advance!

                                                                • 29. Re: GTX 1080/1070
                                                                  Bill Gehrke Most Valuable Participant

                                                                  What version of Premiere, go to Premiere/Help/About Premiere Pro and at the bottom what version number

                                                                  • 30. Re: GTX 1080/1070
                                                                    anton88-07@inbox.ru Level 1

                                                                    Adobe Premiere Pro CC 2017.0.1

                                                                    • 31. Re: GTX 1080/1070
                                                                      Kelnok902

                                                                      good day friends. So I started to do video  Recording and editing premiere was working great and then about a week ago it went nuts after  I got a notification of driver update. The preview screen went black like the original post described so I updated my driver since then I had on and off issues with the screen being black. I reset the cash preferences reinstalled premier reinstall drivers backtrack drivers nothing seems to work permanently. I did manage to get it working by clearing cache and settings but that was temporary and I can't seem to get it to work again. I am running cc 2017 with a GTX 1070 gaming x.

                                                                       

                                                                       

                                                                      I also want to note I have tried Turing of CUDA and it doesbt change anything. I did get it working for about 3 minuets but then it went black mid preview.