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Adobe Clean is not a publicly-available font. It is a font used internally at Adobe for our own websites, documentation, publications, collateral, etc. We have never made it available to customers either bundled with our applications or via Typekit. In fact, we prohibit its use for any non-Adobe purpose.
I could imagine that if you had a PDF file from Adobe in which Adobe Clean was an embedded font and that you then embedded such a PDF file into an InDesign document, it would appear that you had access to Adobe Clean, but not for use in layout or edit purposes.
How about using this font in CEP extensions?
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The Adobe Clean font family is absolutely not available for any use other than for Adobe official use.
Hi guys just wanting to let Adobe know that some websites do offer your Adobe clean font families for free download. I don't know how the fonts got there but I don't think they will be private fonts exclusively for Adobe if they are available on the internet.
It would be very helpful if you sent me a private message via the forums with links to such websites that you find such that we can get our lawyers on them.
How is it possible that I can select the Adobe Clean Font within Premiere Pro CC 2018 if it's not public?
either it's released or, someone in the Premiere Pro dept is about to be in trouble!
The entire AdobeClean family is listed on the Restricted Fonts page, which states:
Restricted Fonts may be included with Adobe software products for the exclusive use of the software itself – such as for menu display, interfaces, or document processing. Such fonts are not licensed for use in an end user’s own documents.
Otherwise, if the Adobe Product EULA limits your use of certain fonts to the operation of the Adobe Software only, the following list identifies the fonts governed by those limiting EULA terms.
So according to this, can these fonts not be used in an Adobe extension? It's not user documents, after all, and extensions are part of Adobe software interface..
Dov's quote: "The Adobe Clean font family is absolutely not available for any use other than for Adobe official use."
With all due respect, I want to see evidence that this is in legal writing and not merely an opinion.
16.6.5 As an exception to the above, the fonts listed at http://www.adobe.com/go/restricted_fonts are included with the Software only for purposes of operation of the Software user interface and not for inclusion within any Output Files. Such listed fonts are not licensed under this Section 16.6. Customer agrees that it will not copy, move, activate or use, or allow any font management tool to copy, move, activate or use, such listed fonts in or with any software application, program, or file other than the Software.
Here it says don't use in output files, but if I make an Adobe extension it uses no output files.
"Not any other use than Adobe official use" is not in the EULA and for us in the Adobe dev space we would like the documented rules regarding this.
If it is so, have legal update the EULA please. Too ambiguous otherwise, and last thing any Adobe dev wants is their customers to be sued after one's extension has been installed on hundreds of workstations.
It may be helpful to define my context too: For those not familiar with what a CEP extension is, these are custom panels that developers can make which are part of the software interface. 99% of user-interface designers would say that having a custom panel which looks more integrated into the software is the more professional look.
The EULA states you "will not copy, move, activate or use" the restricted fonts. I hope that's clear. Do not use Adobe Clean. It is, and always has been, strictly for Adobe's own proprietary use.
If, I say, make an Adobe extension.. which perhaps adds a new menu item to the menu of say, Indesign. I can't choose that menu item to be another font, right? The new menu item will say my custom text, but will it not be rendered in Adobe Clean?
So in some way you can say, every single scripter who added a menu item to native menus used it?
Thanks for designing it by the way - my own case is, I never used it or plan on using it, as it really doesn't matter to myself, I'm just curious on behalf of the adobe developers. EULA is clear for users but not so clear for developers, in my opinion.
For example, this extension made by Maxon Computers: I don't think they even have a choice in putting another font on the panels, the panels all match the rest of the UI.
Now, how about contents of the panels? I'm fine with a 'no' on this - as it really doesn't affect me, but as you see, even I will end up in a situation of 'using' the font when creating even a default boilerplate extension which produces a panel like these.