12 Replies Latest reply on Jul 12, 2017 6:07 PM by Ussnorway

    Adobe ACE exams

    chanaart Adobe Community Professional

      Adobe retired the recertification exam.

       

      Some of us need to be up to date with the exams since we teach at Adobe certified places.

       

      They just announced the new exams which will be in August and I think that the "OLDER" certified community like us that have so much experience should fight together to bring back the Recertification exam.  I teach the ACA classes in USC, I give advise to students about the ACE exams and feel that it is not fair to ask us to do the entire exam again every two years.

       

      1. In the past as an ACP we got a code from Adobe for free exams...but as everything else it went away now we get 50% off...

      2. In the past Adobe certified people created the test now it is part of Pearson and actually it is a money making venture...

      3. they said that the recertification was on line so was not fair, they can bring it back not on line.

       

      Why experts like us need to do the entire test? we are the one that answers the questions...

      They asking us with our experience to do the same test that a new person doing?

       

      I think we need to do something. I have been communicating with Debra Prewitt from Adobe. She is trying to help but I think she needs help from the community.

      Can we do something?

       

      I know that I am not going to do the full blown test....not part of my plan....let create some noise!

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        • 1. Re: Adobe ACE exams
          melissapiccone Adobe Community Professional

          I am not going to take them. My ACI status means absolutely nothing. It doesn't get me more students or classes, Adobe Certified Training centers don't honor it - they use uncertified instructors over the certified ones because they are cheaper. It's a complete waste of time and money for me. The ACI program is the dog Adobe kicks... I have students asking about certification all the time, I discourage it unless they know for sure will benefit them. If it went back to the way is was before, I would consider it, just because it would be a simple quick thing from home. But to make me go out and sit a whole new test? No thanks. I beta tested the last Dreamweaver test, there were a bunch of questions that were just plain wrong, not to mention stuff that wasn't even in the program anymore. I took it in Aug. 2012. I had until Oct. 31 that year to renew. They told me, Oct. 31 that I passed... I feel like Adobe is trying to get rid of ACI's - my experience in the past 8+ yrs has not been positive.

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          • 2. Re: Adobe ACE exams
            JaysonM-Y Level 3

            This lounge has some strong sentiments.
            Whelp, there goes my interest in becoming certified. Was literally gonna do it in two months.

            • 3. Re: Adobe ACE exams
              melissapiccone Adobe Community Professional

              Sorry to rain on your parade! But at least you have one opinion, for what it's worth...

              • 4. Re: Adobe ACE exams
                Brad Lawryk Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                Not worth the paper the certificate is on.

                 

                Ever since I was told I was 'over qualified' to beta test the Dreamweaver Exam on the grounds that my knowledge was above the 'Average User'. So for me it is no more than an 'Adobe Average User Certification'.

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                • 5. Re: Adobe ACE exams
                  Donna.Oxley Level 1

                  I so agree with you wholeheartedly. Being Adobe Certified is a complete waste of time and money and of no benefit whatsoever in the UK. It is NOT an industry recognised qualification over here and will not get you any more work at a higher rate because you have to compete with non certified trainers because they are cheaper.

                  I have been using and teaching Adobe products since the early 90s and I am sure I speak for a a lot of us older trainers that we find it a complete insult to be expected to take these exams and have to pay for them AND we have to pay for the software also.

                   

                  ADOBE - IF YOU REALLY WANT TO KEEP GOOD PEOPLE WITH LOTS OF EXPERIENCE IN PROMOTING AND WORKING WITH YOUR PRODUCTS INTERESTED IN STAYING AS ACI'S THEN MAKE IT WORTH OUR WHILE. GIVE US OEM SOFTWARE LICENSES LIKE YOU GIVE THIRD PARTY DEALERS.

                   

                  Come on people - let's campaign for this - we deserve it after all these years!

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                  • 6. Re: Adobe ACE exams
                    Peter Villevoye Adobe Community Professional

                    As an ACI, I'd like to add some thoughts on these ACE exams matters.

                     

                    I've been doing these exams since 2003 in very early (and even pre-CS) versions, as the certification program became introduced here in Europe. What strikes me is that the format and the content haven't really changed that much over the one and a half decade. So whatever we'd like it to be (rather than what it was and still is), Adobe didn't and doesn't budge...

                     

                    My comment on these exams (dating from 2003) is still the same:

                    "Some colleagues and me have taken the exams and we all share the same sentiment: they're difficult, tricky, and almost unfair. About one third of the questions is about the task at hand, covering topics having to do with the actual trade without going into the application too much. The other two thirds are about the application, and half of that is rightfully dealing with the proper use of it. But the other half (the final third) is downright tricky. They are about the exact knowledge of the most secluded commands and dialogues, assuming you never got confused by the various versions over time, and expecting you to know both your native language versions and the English one, by heart."

                    E.g. is it really a big deal not to know whether the guidelines ("Raster" in Dutch) to line-up items in Acrobat is called a "Grid", "Document Grid", or "Layout Grid" ? Most of the exam candidates will hopefully know and probably remember very well there's some kind of a grid thing, so they just look under "View" and see what the "Show/Hide" command offers. Is the 100% value of the flattening conversion setting in Illustrator towards the "vector" or "pixel" side ? Is a unit of measurement to be found under "Preferences", "Settings" or "Document Settings" ?

                     

                    Another issue is the number of questions about uncommon situations, almost hypothetical ones, or at least problematic stuff only helpdesk staffers would need to deal with. Okay, the daily workflow of a designer does involve quite a few nasty scenarios and materials, often created (or should I say slapped together) by less proficient users of the software. But why bother designers with it in an exam ?

                     

                    My experience in taking these exams for almost 15 years, is that quite a large part of the questions are just about us (and many users), trying to deal with the unintuitive and inconsistent idiosyncrasies of these Adobe applications. Is this one of the key goals of this program ? To puzzle users and blame them for not knowing these things ? After all, these applications and their very professional users are largely visually inclined. So what's the point of textually quizzing them with any of this verbatim nitty-gritty ?

                     

                    So my conclusion then and now is that these exams should be exclusively aimed at helpdesk departments of large design studios, Adobe-related support staffers, trainers, and technical trouble-shooters. But are these nerds the ones we'd like to celebrate as "Adobe Certified Experts" ?

                     

                    Rest assured, I'll manage, honestly. I usually took the recertification exams without any preparation, and the proctored exams with an hour on average in each application (mainly checking out even the smallest detail in any new feature). I've been fortunate enough to get acquainted with all Adobe applications and their versions as they were introduced, so I've been able to learn them on a grade. But I doubt if any new user of a current CC application will ever be able to pass these exams...

                     

                    The benefit ?

                    An increasing number of clients in corporate industries are required to ask for a certain certification when hiring designers or trainers. But showing them any badge with an Adobe logo (whether it says ACA, ACE, ACI, Partner, or Community Professional) would probably all be the same to them.

                     

                    I regard the ACI status more as an acknowledgement towards 'those in the know' like Adobe staff and training colleagues. But failing the ACE exam tells me really nothing about the talent and true proficiency of a designer or any user of an Adobe application. That's why Adobe fortunately came up with the ACA program.

                     

                    melissapiccone: if you think an AATC is incorrectly using their status in their promotion and business, then let Adobe know about this. Only by reporting such inappropriate use, we can let an ACI status claim and keep its value.

                    • 7. Re: Adobe ACE exams
                      melissapiccone Adobe Community Professional

                      melissapiccone: if you think an AATC is incorrectly using their status in their promotion and business, then let Adobe know about this. Only by reporting such inappropriate use, we can let an ACI status claim and keep its value.

                       

                       

                      I have, over and over. It falls on deaf ears. All communication I I have initiated over the past 8 years has been completely ignored. No response to any emails at any time. Didn't really believe the person I was sending them to was real... however, when I have complained of this problem to others they made excuses for her. She has been replaced and I have met her replacement. I know she's real . I haven't reached out for another conversation, but I'm very happy being just an ACP. Unless a really great offer comes my way that requires me to be an ACI, I'm officially out this month. I will always be a Certified Technical Trainer... close enough.

                      • 8. Re: Adobe ACE exams
                        BarbBinder Adobe Community Professional

                        But showing them any badge with an Adobe logo (whether it says ACA, ACE, ACI, Partner, or Community Professional) would probably all be the same to them.

                        I totally agree.

                        • 9. Re: Adobe ACE exams
                          JaysonM-Y Level 3

                          As long as it gets the client, eh?

                          • 10. Re: Adobe ACE exams
                            Ussnorway Adobe Community Professional

                            https://forums.adobe.com/people/Peter+Villevoye  wrote

                             

                            The benefit ?

                            An increasing number of clients in corporate industries are required to ask for a certain certification when hiring designers or trainers. But showing them any badge with an Adobe logo (whether it says ACA, ACE, ACI, Partner, or Community Professional) would probably all be the same to them.

                            I'd argue that the "Community Professional" is worth more in this senario as that is recognition of skill by your fellows and can't be cheated by passing a standardised test... I would hire this person over someone with a ACE because their knowledge is less irrelevant.

                            • 11. Re: Adobe ACE exams
                              Peter Villevoye Adobe Community Professional

                              After reading over and over, I don't understand your recent post, Ussnorway.

                               

                              First, I didn't state that a CP status is worth more when in search of a designer or trainer. I meant to say that most Office or IT-inclined HR staff probably won't know or notice much of a difference between any of them.

                               

                              Next: you suggest that these "standardised tests" (ACE?) can be cheated with. I wonder, how ? The on-line recertifications were pretty easy to deal with, but the full-blown proctored exams are not something to be taken lightly !

                               

                              Finally: you would hire a CP over an ACE when hiring a designer or trainer ?

                              Because their knowledge is "less irrelevant" – that double negation is intentional ?

                              Anyway, I don't get these last two sentences at all...

                               

                              Shoot again !

                              • 12. Re: Adobe ACE exams
                                Ussnorway Adobe Community Professional

                                First; I agree that most IT HR staff don't know what the letters stand for and Adobe doesn't appear to care so why should they... an Adobe name has the same value to them regardless of what letters come after it.

                                 

                                Next; = perception, standardised test can be cheated and they don't prove the person taking them has the skills you need. in this country (Australia) they are seen with open contempt because goverment offices take bribes and tests are seen as irrelevant. I remember a yong lady bus driver at the Sydney olympics with her bus drivers licence and Gov authority all in order but she couldn't start the bus because she had never driven one in her life.

                                 

                                Perhaps ACE is better respected where you are but here I would assume 90% of HR staff don't know what it is and arn't going to be impressed by it after you explain it to them.

                                 

                                Finally; yes i would hire a CP as a designer... of course I would but trainer is a different set of skills... I wouldn't hold a ACE up as any better then a CP, even though I agree the person with a ACE or CP (what ever other letters) probably will get the job.

                                 

                                They are hired here because they have the skills to do the job, not because they have a paper with ACE typed on it is my basic point.

                                 

                                p.s, yes the double negation is intentional... my mind works backwards as my IT teacher would say to me