6 Replies Latest reply on Jul 19, 2016 12:55 PM by xavierFr06

    SLI for obtain 6GB, double performance in CS6 and 3840x2160 H264

    xavierFr06

      Hi,

      Sorry for my english…

      I am interresting by GTX1070, but, from i read in internet forum, there some problem with R3D and other .

      I have wrote to Nvidia for to know if they will make new driver, as like needed GTX9xx, but never came.

      They council me a quadro video card series…and they not answer about GTX1080 and 1070 issue.

       

      I make footage with Sony action Cam Sony FDR-X1000VR, in 4K 100Mbits/s. Xavcs, 30p, MP4,H264.

      The computer need 53 minuts,form 5:33 video, with Effect for keep out Fisheye effect, as like it :
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stmzNSCRI_M

      and i keep 4K from Effect by this way :
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPE8jWJg-Os 

       

      GTX 780Ti  and GTX 780 6GB are too much expensive for used card.

      i need 6 GB

      I think to buy 2x GTX780 or 2xGTX770 for obtain 6GB and double GPU acceleration.

       

      For other project, I need 6Gb minimum for 4K (3840 x 2160).

      I have seen some SLI and video card performance here :

      https://forums.creativecow.net/thread/2/1019120

      i have find some people with SLI problem and Windows10.

      Some one know, with the 2 SLI card and Adobe Effect, if i will obtain near double performance and 6GB memory seen and using by Adobe ?

      I think yes, but it is better to ask to professional.

       

      If adobe and system not see and not use 6Gb, then i will see for GTX1070 and to accept the R3D issue. GTX1070 make H265, i think it make H265 from H264.

      Some one know the performance for it and process for use this fonction from this video card ?

       

      Thanks

      Best regards

      Xavier

       

      E5 2687W at 3.4 Ghz, 48 Go, Win10, SSD, HDD, Radeon HD7850 2GO, CS6... but i think to came back to Win7.

        • 1. Re: SLI for obtain 6GB, double performance in CS6 and 3840x2160 H264
          Szalam Adobe Community Professional & MVP

          After Effects uses the GPU to draw the interface to the screen.

          The brand new version of After Effects can use the GPU to accelerate three native effects (Lumetri, Gaussian Blur, and Sharpen).

          It also can use some GPUs to accelerate the obsolete ray-traced renderer.

           

          That is pretty much all After Effects uses the GPU for.

           

          The situation you describe would not benefit from a GPU at all.

          • 2. Re: SLI for obtain 6GB, double performance in CS6 and 3840x2160 H264
            xavierFr06 Level 1

            Hi

            Thank for answer,

             

             

            I have seen some information about (possible there are some mistake from me, or a lot, sorry) GPU acceleration :

            -Cuda, Blur Sharpen(AE), Color Correction(AE), adjust, image control(AE), noise grain(AE), Mercury Playback (Pr), accelerated rendering(AE), multi GPU support (AE), R3D…

            -Vulkan for Appi

            -OptiX for Ray tracing API for render, baking, collision detection, A.I. queries… but some need ------Maxwell architecture

            -NVENC not supported by Adobe

            Today i not use in my example :

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stmzNSCRI_M

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPE8jWJg-Os

            But,in futur,  i will be use some Cuda R3D video and other.

            But, in Premiere, i think, else i make mistake and sorry, it will run for add sequence of few video for obtain 1 final video in Premiere , and …

            For my Fesheye correction, from Sony video, i use, after fesheye correction 3840x2160, i lose some pixel as like 3800x2160 and i make render by resize/scaling with AE for obtain 3840x2160. Cuda will run for resize/scaling or i make mistake ?

            CS5 do but i think CS6 are doing to :

            http://blogs.adobe.com/creativecloud/scaling-in-premiere-pro-cs5/?segment=dva

            https://helpx.adobe.com/premiere-pro/using/effects.html#WSd79b3ca3b623cac9-e423b201260b3b6 2c9-8000

             

            In second,  i think there are only GTX780 6GB (here 200Euro, used) or GTX1070 8GB (here 500Euro, new) for me.

            Adobe CS6, CC are different and I think Adobe will change a lot after CC version. for better optimisation with new video card and processing, better performance with OpenCl, OpenGl. else, i make big mistake.

            From the information in Internet, there a big difference between GTX 7xx and before, and, GTX9xx GTX750 and after. The difference are betwen theory, bench and when we use…R3D.

            For example, form i understand SLI not add performance for CUDA and no add memory video card. With 2 video SLI card, first with 4GB, second with 2GB, Computer and Adobe will see and use 2GB, but never 2+4=6GB.

            But, from my link :

            https://forums.creativecow.net/thread/2/1019120

            the message by Ian Mapleson on Jun 11, 2013 at 9:53:49 pm.

            -I think he have use : AE CS6 11.0.1 CUDA BENCHMARK PROJECT

            -And obtain

            -3x 580/800: 2 mins 55 secs 92% àmore fasteràmore faster

            -1x 580/800: 5 mins 36 secs 336

            Then i try to undestand the benefit with old video card and new. The SLI not run, but it run for 580 . My objectif are not here, but it is example between new and old video card. This are only a example, i ask nothing about this strange thing because every where Adobe not add performance and not add memory with Cuda and i looking for only 1 video card.

             

            Then i looking for 1 video card with 6GB.there are GTX780 6GB past technology but running very well with adobe and other, and GTX1070/1080 8GB not running with all function, but have  H265 encoding and is the futur. GTX780 6GB and GTX 1080/1070 have same option cuda, but not same version, OpenCl…OpenGl 4.5 / 4.3

            Feature support (unlisted features are supported for all compute capabilities) with Compute capability (version) 3.5 or 6.1 look like the same option : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUDA

            Or Technical specifications.

            http://www.geforce.com/hardware/10series/geforce-gtx-1080

            http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-780/specifications

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenGL

            there are difference of performance/speed, but not a lot about function. Or i make big mistake for our utilisation in video.

            GTX 1080, 1070 and some GTX9xx make transformation H264 to H265, and i think other transformation/conversion. But i not have more information about possible transformation with GTX1080/1070, i find nowhere and not for GTX9xx.

            I have contact Nvidia for to know how to use render, convert H265 function from GTX 1080/1070. I have ask if they know process or software. But Nvidia concil me to looking for in internet.

             

            I don’t know, but possible, GTx1080/1070 can help me to convert 3800x2160 to 3840x2160 after fisheye, but by using H265 convert from GTX1080. But i not find informtion about transformation mode of GTX1080/1070. If  it run , GTX1080/1070 GPU acceleration is more interresting for me.

            Today, nobody use H265,no lot of people. GTX1080/1070 are the futur , but with problem with R3D and other. Some bench are not the true performance, GTX1080/1070 are not big performance, the past video card run well with Cuda, there are no difference betwen GTX1080, GTX980 and Titan: https://www.studio1productions.com/blog/?p=439

            GTX780 run very well, but not with H265, not all with 4K, and are not for futur transformation of Adobe software after CC version.

            For H265, i think Adobe CS6 not run.

            It is not to buy for buy, but GTX780 6Gb look like last video card for do all i want.

             

            Then, do you have council betwen GTX780 6GB, and GTX1080/1070 8GB for help to chose ?

             

            Thank

            Best regards

            • 3. Re: SLI for obtain 6GB, double performance in CS6 and 3840x2160 H264
              Szalam Adobe Community Professional & MVP

              xavierFr06 wrote:

               

              I have seen some information about (possible there are some mistake from me, or a lot, sorry) GPU acceleration :

              -Cuda, Blur Sharpen(AE), Color Correction(AE), adjust, image control(AE), noise grain(AE), Mercury Playback (Pr), accelerated rendering(AE), multi GPU support (AE), R3D…

              The old CS6 version of After Effects that you're using doesn't use CUDA or the GPU for any of this.

              The newest version that came out last month can use the GPU to accelerate the Sharpen, Gaussian Blur, and Lumetri effects (details here) and that's about it. But it doesn't have to use CUDA for these; it can use Open CL too. (And Metal on Macs.)

               

              And no version of AE has multi-GPU support for accelerating effects as far as I know.

               

              xavierFr06 wrote:

               

              I have seen some information about (possible there are some mistake from me, or a lot, sorry) GPU acceleration :

              -OptiX for Ray tracing API for render, baking, collision detection, A.I. queries… but some need ------Maxwell architecture

              After Effects does use the Optix library to accelerate the ray-traced renderer, yes. But that's it. There is no collision detection or any of the other things you mention.

              CS6 can not use the newer cards for this, by the way. You need the 700 series or earlier. See this list for what cards work with CS6 to accelerate the ray-traced renderer.

              Remember, the ray-traced renderer was just one, fairly limited way to create 3d geometry inside After Effects. Third-party plugins like Element do it much better and much faster and they don't use the ray-traced renderer. I recommend against using the ray-traced renderer if you have any other choices.

               

              xavierFr06 wrote:

               

               

              For my Fesheye correction, from Sony video, i use, after fesheye correction 3840x2160, i lose some pixel as like 3800x2160 and i make render by resize/scaling with AE for obtain 3840x2160. Cuda will run for resize/scaling or i make mistake ?

              CS5 do but i think CS6 are doing to :

              http://blogs.adobe.com/creativecloud/scaling-in-premiere-pro-cs5/?segment=dva

              https://helpx.adobe.com/premiere-pro/using/effects.html#WSd79b3ca3b623cac9-e423b201260b3b6 2c9-8000

               

              Those threads are about Premiere. It has nothing to do with After Effects. After Effects does not use the GPU for scaling or fisheye correction at all.

               

              You seem to have some big misconceptions about After Effects and the GPU. See this page for what After Effects CS6 does with the GPU. You will notice that it isn't much.

               

              xavierFr06 wrote:

               

              Then, do you have council betwen GTX780 6GB, and GTX1080/1070 8GB for help to chose ?

               

              If you are using CS6, you will need to use the GTX 780 if you want any benefit from having a GPU inside After Effects, but, again, it won't do much for you. Now, if you use third-party plugins like Element or Red Giant Universe, either GPU will work.

               

              If you plan to use CC 2015.3 versions of AE and Premiere (which do utilize H.265, by the way), you should consider getting a newer card just to stay current.

              • 4. Re: SLI for obtain 6GB, double performance in CS6 and 3840x2160 H264
                xavierFr06 Level 1

                Hi,

                 

                I understand, with CS6, i will be locked with Nvidia 700 series, and the past.

                With CC, It will be after Nvidia 700 series, and the futur.

                For Adobe, video card depend of Adobe version. Very thanks for this information. I like more the futur, thanks, I save 200 Euro with 700 series…

                 

                After Effects CS6 does with the GPU… very poor.

                CC, look like better, but only better.

                Sorry for my mistake and thanks for all this informations.

                 

                Elements and Univers look like nice.

                 

                Element

                I seen Adobe Elements, more plug-in and run with 4k UHD, but not H265, need to wait.

                https://helpx.adobe.com/premiere-pro/plug-ins.html

                https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2008407

                « The Premiere Elements 13/13.1 and 14 programs do not offer Hardware Acceleration with NVIDIA graphics cards. Also, Premiere Elements (any version) does not support CUDA. Premiere Elements 13/13.1 and 14 offer Hardware Acceleration only with Intel HD Graphics 2000 and newer....the card named just Intel HD Graphics does not offer the Hardware Acceleration. »

                 

                universe

                A GPU with 2GB of discrete, dedicated VRAM (4GB if working with 4K footage) that supports OpenGL 2.1, such as Nvidia Quadro k5000 or AMD FirePro D500.

                Over 60 GPU accelerated effect and transitions.

                Universe look like a new point of view for use video editing methode.

                 

                « If you plan to use CC 2015.3 versions of AE and Premiere (which do utilize H.265, by the way), you should consider getting a newer card just to stay current. »… 8-/  it is as like to need all time new video card with new next Adobe CC version , or 1 new video card will run long time ? 5 years maybe ?(for no professionnal because too much expensive)

                 

                Not easy to choose Software and video card out of expensive professionnal…

                 

                For exemple : NVENC

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_NVENC

                it change with new GPU… next GPU from Nvidia : Volta (possible light version for no professional).

                Ok there are professional Quadro cards do not have some restriction. But all look like to change all time with new GPU (for no professionnal) and Software.

                 

                Today, i understand, the video world are in movement and change.

                The past leader in Video editing and visual effects will, be possible, not the futur leader and not during long time?

                It will depend of the communauty (around 1 software and Apps), development of App and GPU evolution ?

                 

                Are-there a way more than other ? (software, Apps)

                 

                In no professionnal, but in video editing, are-there best futur way between Nvidia or AMD ?

                 

                Do you have « key words » about news technology in video editing (software, Nvidia,Amd,Apps…) for permit me to looking for in Internet the informations for see so much Video editing and visual effects change and will change ? (for professional and not professionnal)

                 

                Very interresting, but change a lot...

                 

                Thanks

                • 5. Re: SLI for obtain 6GB, double performance in CS6 and 3840x2160 H264
                  Szalam Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                  I didn't mean Premiere Elements or Photoshop Elements (if you have a Creative Cloud subscription, you will already have the Pro versions of both of these), I meant the third-party plugin for After Effects called Element 3d. See more info about it here.

                  • 6. Re: SLI for obtain 6GB, double performance in CS6 and 3840x2160 H264
                    xavierFr06 Level 1

                    Hi,

                     

                    i not have Element 3D.

                    I have find some answers in Internet.

                     

                    Thanks very much for your help.

                     

                    Thanks