37 Replies Latest reply on Oct 9, 2016 12:48 PM by bobj82408811

    Premier Pro & Encore CS6 best graphics card to get

    bobj82408811

      Hi,

       

      Last year I built a new system for editing 1080p video using Premier Pro & Encore CS6 as follows

      gigabyte ga-b85m-ds3h-a

      intel i7-4790k 4GHz

      16GB ddr3 1333MHz

      Corsair cx v2 500w psu

      Onboard Intel 5000 graphics 1GB

       

      It is not overclocked, I have tried changing it in the BIOS to 4.2 or 4.3GHz but it still stays at 4GHz, is this some weird motherboard issue?

       

      But it is actually rendering slightly slower than the older i7 we have

      i7-3770 3.4GHz

      16GB DDR3

      Nvidia GT640 2GB graphics card

       

      So the only real difference is the graphics card, but will that old graphics card really make any difference?

       

      But coming onto the main question, what graphics card should I get for the i7-4790k machine that will have the most impact without spending a fortune? Also I'm guessing it will need a new power supply as well

       

      Would we see better performance if we upgraded to CC2015? If so would that need a different graphics card?

       

      Thanks for any info or recommendations

        • 1. Re: Premier Pro & Encore CS6 best graphics card to get
          John T Smith Adobe Community Professional & MVP

          First, read the BALANCED article at Tweakers Page

           

          Not everything uses CUDA... read this

          http://blogs.adobe.com/premiereprotraining/2011/02/cuda-mercury-playback-engine-and-adobe- premiere-pro.html

          If your nVidia card has at least 1Gig of video ram, use the nVidia Hack http://forums.adobe.com/thread/629557 - which is a simple entry in a "supported cards" file... this is for CS6 and CS5, the file is not used by PPro Cloud

          • 2. Re: Premier Pro & Encore CS6 best graphics card to get
            R Neil Haugen Adobe Community Professional & MVP

            People often look at the "guts" of their computer build, and forget the REST of the computer has a large effect on performance also. Which is why John sent you to look at the 'balanced build' info page.

             

            Note ... this includes having fast enough drives to handle the massive amount of constant in/out data movement. Typical "old" style construction like my rig use up to eight drives with internal-speed connections to spread out OS/programs; PrPro's media cache & cache database; project files; previews; media; and exports onto different drives. Mine even uses a twin-SSD RAID 0 for the system/C drive.

             

            With the m.2, NVMe, and super-fact USB3 connected Samsung T1/3 drives available, that's changing. Fewer drives (if more costly) can be built on new motherboards designed to utilize these things that actually deliver better performance with 4k & up media.

             

            So ... your computer specs were rather incomplete for the total picture of PrPro performance. That right there could be the cause of a substantial difference between the two rigs you've got if they're setup differently for drives. Or not ... we don't know.

             

            And for the things that DO use the GPU, like re-scaling, Warp Stabilizer and such, that on-board GPU ... is useless. Totally.

             

            Neil

            • 3. Re: Premier Pro & Encore CS6 best graphics card to get
              Bill Gehrke Adobe Community Professional & MVP

              I highly recommend for a cost sensitive requirement a look at the GTX 1060 my personal choice is the EVGA 06G-P4-6163-KR which EVGA Lists for $259 but because it is short supply I have seen advertised for $539! My $259 card works great and with slight overclocking is slightly faster than my GTX 970.

               

              Interesting if you are using CS6 and want to add it to the list you might check and notice gpusniffer where it is listed as a GeForce GTX 1060 6GB for the listed EVGA card, I imagine that a 3GB version would be listed appropriately as GeForce GTX 1060 3GB. 

              • 4. Re: Premier Pro & Encore CS6 best graphics card to get
                bobj82408811 Level 1

                Hi,

                 

                Thanks for for the links I'm going through them now

                PC setups

                older i7

                2 * 500GB hard drives, one for OS programs & the raw files from the camera and one for renders

                 

                newer i7

                120GB SSD for OS & programs

                1TB hard drive

                I'm not totally sure of the setup on this one, but I think the raw files are saved to the hard drive and the renders are also outputted to the hard drive as well

                Could this be what is slowing it down?

                • 5. Re: Premier Pro & Encore CS6 best graphics card to get
                  Bill Gehrke Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                  Well almost anytime you are using hard disk drives you probably are being slowed down soon or later.  In the old days my now deceased Harm recommended 5 hard disk drives but today with 3-4 times the speeds of even SATA III (6Gbits/second interface) SSD's and even better yet the newer M.2 PCIe Gen3 x4 SSD's that are 10 or more times faster the whole storage situation has change drastically.  Oh and then there is a new class of external/portable SSD's that have changed the workflow of many including me.  This is the Samsung T3  (or older Ti) if you have a USB3 port on that computer.

                   

                  What motherboard or computer do you have?

                  • 7. Re: Premier Pro & Encore CS6 best graphics card to get
                    Bill Gehrke Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                    Well that motherboard has 2 USB 3.0 ports so you could go with just a simple external device like the Samsung T3 or T1 device and have much, much faster than that hard drive.  Depending on the total size of your projects, if you can get by with 256 GB we are only talking $100 ($167 for 500 GB).  I routinely use one for my editing projects on my laptop.  I put all the media and project files on it.  Being portable allows me to take a full project from laptop to my desktop almost instantly and do the final export and burn a disc or other technique.

                    • 8. Re: Premier Pro & Encore CS6 best graphics card to get
                      bobj82408811 Level 1

                      Some more info, I wasnt aware of before, sorry for the continual updates, I dont do the editing I'm just the computer guy

                      They edit the HD footage in Premier Pro and then export it to Encore which then converts it to DVD format with menus

                       

                      I read through a lot of that and it says that the GPU will be used when scaling from one size to another, so "Hardware MPE" will help??

                       

                      What is Hardware MPE? Is that cuda? Or does it just mean a graphics card?

                       

                      With this system the table recommends a GTX640 - GTX650Ti but they are no longer available where I live, its the 700 series upwards only, GT730, GT740 or GTX750Ti. I presume the GT740 is the newer equivalent of the GTX640?

                       

                      Which one will speed up scaling from HD to SD with Encore the best?

                       

                      On this page here - Adobe Premiere Video Cards Benchmark Project vs. a Real Premiere Project- Written by David Knarr  a discrete GPU really helped a "direct export to MPEG2 DVD" but is that the same as using Encore and will it have the same effect?

                       

                      If I get a new SSD/HDD it will be an internal one as they have no need for portability

                       

                      Thanks

                      • 9. Re: Premier Pro & Encore CS6 best graphics card to get
                        R Neil Haugen Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                        "MPE" is Mercury Playback Engine ... which uses the GPU if there is a usable one for the code of whichever version of PrPro you are using via setting this in the preferences to "GPU". Or ... if set to "Software Only" ... it uses the CPU for everything.

                         

                        Many parts of the export/encoding process are CPU only, BUT ... scaling frame-sizes, warp stabilizer, I think Lumetri, some other things (on a list I *should* have the easy link for) will use the GUP if it's seen properly by the program. And therefore, do render/export much faster.

                         

                        Hardware ... MPE set to "GPU" ...  does mean CUDA, especially if using an Nvidia card with more than 1,000 CUDA cores ... and I'd skip the 700 series and jump to the 900's if possible. With the 1000 series, the prices on 900 series cards are more negotiable. Go for say a 970 with 4gb vRAM on it, and also ... check the number of CUDA cores, try for 1400-plus.

                         

                        This should help the encoding for MPEG-2/DVD process. For SSD, an m.2 or NVMe internal with PrPro's  cache, media-cache database, project files, and previews on it should also speed up the whole process. Leave the program on the system drive, move the rest of PrPro onto an m.2/NVMe drive, and put in a decent 900 series Nvidia card with 1,000-plus cores and minimal 2GB vRAM, and you may see a significant boost to work.

                        Neil

                        • 10. Re: Premier Pro & Encore CS6 best graphics card to get
                          RoninEdits Most Valuable Participant

                          you should be more careful when recommending hardware, especially when the OP's computer won't support a dgpu and pcie ssd together. even if it could, its likely to be overkill for his pc and projects and wasted money. do you know if cs6 supports nvidia hardware mpeg2 encoding? if not the gtx 970 may also be overkill. with the changes to nvidia's new cards, its no longer appropriate to recommend cards by cuda count alone either.

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                          • 11. Re: Premier Pro & Encore CS6 best graphics card to get
                            R Neil Haugen Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                            Good points there ... thanks!

                             

                            Neil

                            • 12. Re: Premier Pro & Encore CS6 best graphics card to get
                              bobj82408811 Level 1

                              Am I wasting my time with a GPU for CS6 then? Will we need to upgrade to the latest version of CC as well?

                               

                              This was intended to be a small/cheap upgrade

                               

                              I found a page with all nvidia card details on it and these are the cards I can get where I live along with the GT640 that is in the other PC

                                    

                              CudaPSUMem BwidthBase speedBoostRAMCost €
                              GT 640384300 wattDDR3128 bit28.5 GB/s797/900797/9002GBVersion 1
                              GT 640144350 wattDDR3192 bit43 GB/s720 MHz1440MHz2GBVersion 2
                              GT 640384350 wattDDR5128 bit80 GB/s950 MHz950 MHz2GBVersion 3
                              GTX750Ti640300 wattDDR5128 bit86.4 GB/s1020 Mhz1085 Mhz2GB155
                              GTX 950768350 wattDDR5128 bit105.6 GB/s1024 MHz1188 MHz2GB220
                              GTX 9601024400 wattDDR5128 bit112 GB/s1127 MHz1178 MHz2GB258
                              GTX 9701644500 wattDDR5256 bit224 GB/s1050 MHz1178 MHz4GB450
                              GTX-10601280400 wattGDDR5192 bit192 GB/s1506 MHz1708 MHz6GB375+
                              GTX-10701920500 wattGDDR5256 bit256 GB/s1506 MHz1683 MHz8GB600+
                              GTX-10802560500 wattGDDR5256 bit320 GB/s1607 MHz1733 MHz8GB900+

                               

                              Which one is best to go with the rest of our system?

                              Will we need to upgarde premier pro as well to get the full benefit?

                              I'm guessing without another dedicated SSD there is no point going above a certain model as the HDD will then be the bottleneck?

                               

                              Thanks again

                              • 13. Re: Premier Pro & Encore CS6 best graphics card to get
                                Bill Gehrke Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                If you are just buying for today I guess I would suggest the GTX 750 Ti.  If you are thinking long term life time then I would suggest the GTX 1060.  You can pull the GTX 1060 out and put it in you next major upgrade where the GTX 750 Ti is essentially Dead-On-Arrival.

                                 

                                Unless there are features in CC that you essentially need there is no reason to abandon CS6.  Yes there are features in CC that do improve performance a little.  But once you subscriber to CC and work in it you have to keep paying forever or loose your projects,  CS6 is pay once and own it forever.

                                 

                                Adding Hard Disk drives is a waste of time and money with the cost of SSD's dropping fast.

                                 

                                I would try to do some more shopping if for instance you opted to go that way.  My GTX 1060 6 GB card cost me USD $259 versus your card which is USD $421.  That is outrageous.  Check to see if these USA people can ship you a great GTX 1060 and what the cost might be.

                                ..

                                • 14. Re: Premier Pro & Encore CS6 best graphics card to get
                                  RoninEdits Most Valuable Participant

                                  there are lots of system monitor tools to see what the computer hardware is doing while editing or exporting, to identify possible bottlenecks with a typical premiere project for your editors/computers. windows task manager, windows resource monitor, and gpu-z are some decent free ones. i would check what the gt 640 is doing on the i7-3770 computer while editing and exporting, to gauge what kind of upgrade you might need on the i7-4790k system. since you mention the export times are somewhat similar, i would guess that the gt 640 isn't being maxed out and a gtx 750 ti might be a good option for the i7-4790k computer.

                                   

                                  i wouldn't link the gpu and hdd/ssd together as a bottleneck like you ask, it would more likely be the cpu vs hdd/ssd. if you find the cpu and gpu usage are medium to low while exporting, there might be a hardware bottleneck like the hdd or software like something in premiere causing it. using system monitoring tools to see if the hdd isn't keeping up with premiere's demands would help give you an idea if a ssd upgrade might help the export. for SD/HD footage, a ssd might only make the editing experience making jumping around on the timeline to different clips more responsive, but might not improve export times.

                                   

                                  the Corsair cx v2 500w psu should have enough power and a 6pin pcie connector for a new video card, but if you need the computer to be reliable i would replace it with a quality psu or have a spare quality psu on hand.

                                   

                                  some people have claimed that premiere can use the nvidia gpu to encode mpeg2 and it helps speed up the export, but i cannot confirm that and i'm unaware of which version of premiere it might have been added. adobe's website still claims the gpu is not used to encode, even for mpeg2. even if premiere cc was able to gpu encode mpeg2, the amount of downtime from cc's buggy software will likely overshadow any gained performance from premiere cc. i would rather put that money into a hardware or computer upgrade for a performance upgrade.

                                  • 15. Re: Premier Pro & Encore CS6 best graphics card to get
                                    Bill Gehrke Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                    RoninEdits wrote:

                                     

                                    some people have claimed that premiere can use the nvidia gpu to encode mpeg2 and it helps speed up the export, but i cannot confirm that and i'm unaware of which version of premiere it might have been added. adobe's website still claims the gpu is not used to encode, even for mpeg2. even if premiere cc was able to gpu encode mpeg2,

                                     

                                    Quote from bobj......"They edit the HD footage in Premier Pro and then export it to Encore which then converts it to DVD format with menus"

                                     

                                    One of our four Premiere Pro benchmark tests is not that exact scenario as it is a direct export from Premiere export from a 1920 x 1020 HD media to MPEG2-DVD shows major usage of the GPU and actually if you turn off the GPU usage for instqnce on tyhis i7-4700HQ 24 GB laptop with a GTX 765M CPU the time that it takes is 285 seconds for the bolow export.  With the GPU acceleration enabled it take 30 seconds.  Now, I do not know how much time if any it the export process and how much is due the scaling and scan rate conversion and other MPE accelerated features and effects.

                                     

                                    How do you export?

                                    • 16. Re: Premier Pro & Encore CS6 best graphics card to get
                                      bobj82408811 Level 1

                                      Many thanks for everyones helpful replies, you have certainly helped a lot.

                                       

                                      The 750Ti doesn't even need exernal power so I think that is the route we will go for the moment but I will certainly check to see if I can find the 1060 cheaper

                                       

                                      Once again, thanks!!

                                      • 17. Re: Premier Pro & Encore CS6 best graphics card to get
                                        RjL190365 Level 4

                                        bobj82408811 wrote:

                                         

                                        They edit the HD footage in Premier Pro and then export it to Encore which then converts it to DVD format with menus

                                        I'm sorry to say this, but Encore does not use the GPU at all for transcoding from HD to MPEG-2 DVD. The transcoding (conversion) is done entirely in software-only mode in Encore - and you cannot enable MRQ (Maximum Render Quality) at all.

                                        • 18. Re: Premier Pro & Encore CS6 best graphics card to get
                                          Bill Gehrke Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                          Randall is correct.  Unless you convert in Premiere to MPEG2-DVD you will not get any GPU usage/acceleration/

                                          • 19. Re: Premier Pro & Encore CS6 best graphics card to get
                                            bobj82408811 Level 1

                                            OK, so if the GPU is not used by Encore, what could be producing the performance difference between the two machines?

                                             

                                            The only real difference is the hard drive setup,

                                            in the older one there are two hard drives, one for raw capture files and one for the output render files

                                            in the newer one there is just one hard drive for all data files

                                             

                                            I have told them to do a test project and render to the SSD to see if that makes any difference

                                             

                                            Could it be something to do with the motherboard as the 4790k beats the 3770 by around 20% in every benchmark I've seen

                                             

                                            Also I have just found this post where someone was encoding with WMV and experienced slower speeds with the 4790k over the 3770, but it looks like that was GPU related - Video Editing Core i7-3770K vs Intel Core i7-4790K and WMV [Solved] - Intel i7 - CPUs

                                            • 20. Re: Premier Pro & Encore CS6 best graphics card to get
                                              RoninEdits Most Valuable Participant

                                              is the performance difference in premiere or encore or both? if its only premiere its most likely the video card, which is why there are so many posts about the video card upgrade. did you look at the gpu usage in both machines to see whats happening? the igpu in the i7-4790k is about half the speed of the gt 640. if encore is slower, then your drive test is good. you could also use a cpu benchmark program like cinebench to see if somehow the i7-4790k is running slower, and check temps on the i7-4790k while your at it too...

                                              • 21. Re: Premier Pro & Encore CS6 best graphics card to get
                                                bobj82408811 Level 1

                                                What I'm going to do is to get the same project on both machines and start them at the same time then monitor CPU, GPU etc and try and work out when the new one loses time. I'll post an update when I have done this

                                                • 22. Re: Premier Pro & Encore CS6 best graphics card to get
                                                  bobj82408811 Level 1

                                                  Well I've found out why the 4790k is going slower, as soon as I started the render the temperatures ramped up to 90C+ and the CPU was throttled back to 3.7GHz.

                                                  It has the standard Intel heatsink and fan fitted that it came with, but I cant believe Intel have supplied a fan that doesnt let the CPU run to its full potential, must be somethign wrong there!!

                                                  Ive reapplied some new thermal paste but it still does the same when I max out the CPU with prime95, seems rather weird to me, I've never had this problem with a stock HS & fan before

                                                   

                                                   

                                                  Also on the 3770 I enabled the cuda and it took about twice as long to export to MPEG2 DVD than it did without it enabled.

                                                  Without cuda enabled GPU was at 20% (always seemed to be at that when Premier Pro was open) and  CPU at 100%

                                                  With cuda enabled GPU was at 100% but CPU dropped to around 40-60%

                                                  • 23. Re: Premier Pro & Encore CS6 best graphics card to get
                                                    RoninEdits Most Valuable Participant

                                                    the 4790k has a 95w tdp. the new 95w unlocked cpu's don't even come with the intel heatsink anymore. i think the intel heatsink can work if the case airflow is high enough, but the intel heatsink is a poor heatsink and its best to replace it with a better/larger cooler. noctua and cryorig 120/140mm are decent coolers that have quiet fans. if the computer only has one case fan, you could try adding another.

                                                     

                                                    i'm not sure whats going on with the 3770 and mpeg2 encode. if i were to guess, i'd say with cuda enabled premiere is trying to use the gt 640 to encode mpeg2 and maxes it at 100%, and since its a weak gpu its actually slower than having the cpu handle the encoding. that would also explain why the cpu usage is lower as its doesn't have as much work to do, its mostly waiting on the gpu to encode the video.

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                                                    • 24. Re: Premier Pro & Encore CS6 best graphics card to get
                                                      bobj82408811 Level 1

                                                      Its the first time I've ever had to replace the stock fan on a non overclocked system, really bad from Intel. I am going to get a Zalmann CNPS9900 MAX tomorrow

                                                       

                                                      Yeah I think youre right about the GT640, thats the conclusion I came to as well.

                                                       

                                                      Hopefully this should be sorted now with the most simple solution ever, but I've certainly learnt a lot!!!!

                                                       

                                                      Thanks for everyones help and hopefully my post tomorrow will be the final one

                                                      • 25. Re: Premier Pro & Encore CS6 best graphics card to get
                                                        R Neil Haugen Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                        My builder always puts a hefty cooler ... liquid piped to an external radiator ... so the CPU can stay at top speed indefinitely. Stock coolers just can't handle that kind of performance outta the CPU. Besides video post-processing, about the only thing that rags out a CPU like that is gaming. So why would the stock cooler be built for a "rare" use level? At least, to him it all makes perfect sense.

                                                         

                                                        But you want that CPU to be able to sit at 95% and above utilization for hours. It won't always be doing that, of course ... but when you want it to, well ... it's gotta have the guts to do it.

                                                         

                                                        Neil

                                                        • 26. Re: Premier Pro & Encore CS6 best graphics card to get
                                                          bobj82408811 Level 1

                                                          Liquid cooling is just a waste of money unless youre overclocking

                                                           

                                                          A stock fan should be able to adequately cool the CPU its supplied with otherwise what is the point of supplying the fan?? "This fan is OK as long as you dont max out the CPU".......

                                                          • 27. Re: Premier Pro & Encore CS6 best graphics card to get
                                                            R Neil Haugen Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                            Well, my CPU doesn't get nearly so hot to slow or shut down ... so just maybe it's not a waste of money if one actually wants to work it hard. Just maybe, you know.

                                                             

                                                            Told my builder about your comments about stock fans should be adequate ... he just howled with laughter for a while. He's built a ton of gamer rigs, some over-clocked, some not, and says he's never had one that didn't go into dangerous territories while gaming with stock fans. And he uses cases with extra fans & exhaust/intake panels too. Several drives, a decently major graphics card or two, and a multi-core CPU running at above 80% for extended times, it's gonna get warm.

                                                             

                                                            As he noted, the massive block heat-sinks are great at start-up or for short high-CPU loads, as they have great transfer capability. However, for sustained load, they can't shunt off as much heat on a constant basis. Which is why for most rigs he builds he runs water-coolers.

                                                             

                                                            The stock fans can handle a steady moderate load, but simply cannot move the heat that a CPU can generate under max load that simply goes on and on. For all but specialized users, that type of load just doesn't occur. Ergo, why build the cooling system for the chip as "standard" that will only be needed by 5% ... at most ... of the users of that chip?

                                                             

                                                            It wouldn't be any different to claim that the onboard graphics should be adequate. Well, for some base use, yes. For a pro editing program? Not hardly.

                                                             

                                                            Neil

                                                            • 28. Re: Premier Pro & Encore CS6 best graphics card to get
                                                              bobj82408811 Level 1

                                                              Well obviously it wont get hot with water cooling, doesnt mean you need it though, just maybe, you know.......

                                                               

                                                              I would not use the stock fan for overclocking, but it should still be capable of cooling the CPU without overclocking. Its like selling a Lamborghini that can do 200mph then fitting it with tyres rated for max speed of 100mph

                                                               

                                                              One of the older i7's that they have used for years that I didnt build (1st gen i7 I think) has a stock fan on it and runs fine

                                                              • 29. Re: Premier Pro & Encore CS6 best graphics card to get
                                                                RoninEdits Most Valuable Participant

                                                                the majority of computers (including gaming computers) do not need liquid, even for overclocking. the idea that liquid is needed for high cpu usage for extended times is very wrong. your system builder might be doing something where liquid helps with his custom builds, but after reading your input from him, i would suggest you keep his opinions off these forums.

                                                                • 32. Re: Premier Pro & Encore CS6 best graphics card to get
                                                                  R Neil Haugen Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                                  I didn't realize that having 'standard' cooled CPU's have over-heating issues was such an extreme rarity. In our photo studio here over the last 25 or more years, we've had three just running Lightroom & Photoshop that had over-heating issues. Apparently, lightning struck us multiple times!

                                                                   

                                                                  Oh ... and our last home machine, an i5 our youngest did do some (very) basic gaming on ... so I suppose four machines.

                                                                   

                                                                  Wow ... to be so blessed by such a rare event!

                                                                   

                                                                   

                                                                   

                                                                  Neil

                                                                  • 33. Re: Premier Pro & Encore CS6 best graphics card to get
                                                                    RoninEdits Most Valuable Participant

                                                                    basic/cheap computers can have problems with overheating, but that is from how they are designed rather than an "air cooler" problem.

                                                                    • 34. Re: Premier Pro & Encore CS6 best graphics card to get
                                                                      R Neil Haugen Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                                      Hmmm ... other than the home machine, the other's we had don't seem to have fit in the basic/cheap category ... ah well. Two were custom builds (but not overclocked) with extra case fans. But I'm quite obviously not a computer expert just a user.

                                                                       

                                                                      Neil

                                                                      • 35. Re: Premier Pro & Encore CS6 best graphics card to get
                                                                        RjL190365 Level 4

                                                                        bobj82408811 wrote:

                                                                         

                                                                        A stock fan should be able to adequately cool the CPU its supplied with otherwise what is the point of supplying the fan?? "This fan is OK as long as you dont max out the CPU".......

                                                                        Actually, the i7-4790K's stock heatsink/fan was designed when CPUs only ran at 2.8 GHz maximum. The i7-4790K, on the other hand. ran at a high 4.2 GHz on all four cores on Turbo even at the default (stock) settings. As a result, the stock heatsink becomes oversaturated with heat.

                                                                         

                                                                        In other words, that stock fan wasn't designed for even 3.5 GHz, let alone 4.2 GHz, CPU operation. Understandably, Intel had decided to omit the stock fan on all unlocked mainstream CPUs beginning with Skylake.

                                                                         

                                                                        By the way, your 4790K is unlocked, but the B85 chipset will not let you set the CPU clock speed above its stock 4.0 GHz (this means that while you can technically set the clock speed to 4.2 or 4.3 GHz, it will be automatically reset to the stock 4.0 GHz on reboot).

                                                                        • 36. Re: Premier Pro & Encore CS6 best graphics card to get
                                                                          bobj82408811 Level 1

                                                                          Well this suddenly got lively....... haha

                                                                           

                                                                          I dont think the 4790k's heatsink was designed when CPU's only ran at 2.8GHz because its one of the small ones, and CPU's have been over 3GHz for years now

                                                                           

                                                                          but anyway

                                                                          I only got the 4790k over the 4790 because its faster at stock speed, the client didnt want to overclock so thats why I didnt bother with a more expensive mobo

                                                                           

                                                                          BUT, THE POINT IS, every CPU should be sold with a heatsink that is fit for purpose or sold without one, Intel have fooked up there

                                                                           

                                                                          The only time I have ever come across overheating computers is when the heatsink has been completely blocked up with dust and I live where its a high ambient temperature all year round

                                                                          • 37. Re: Premier Pro & Encore CS6 best graphics card to get
                                                                            bobj82408811 Level 1

                                                                            The zalmann fan has got the temps down to around 70C at full load now, so happy days

                                                                             

                                                                            According to intel the heatsink and fan are fine for that CPU..............................

                                                                             

                                                                            "Thank you for contacting Intel Customer support,
                                                                            Please note that the boxed version of the i7-4790k is shipped with the Intel E97378-001 thermal solution which has been validated for the use with the processor."