The controls work, they just didn't help in that case. The footnotes stayed the same. The only way I was able to achieve the consecutive numbering was by threading the text boxes - something that I had been trying to avoid, but, oh, well.
Can you explain the trick?
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The problem is that Obi-wan wants to be a digital magician, but it's not helpful for the person who asked the question because he doesn't like to explain how he did it.
Obi-wan is a very clever guy and definitely has pushed ID into doing something that ordinarily can't be done.
I tried, this morning, to replicate his solution so I could share it with you. (Something Obi-wan doesn't do much.)
I'm sorry if you're as frustrated as I am with this nonsense. And I'm VERY frustrated.
Hahaha french arrogance... I know that
Of course I'd be glad you share your solution Sandee.
I am now twice frustrated because you didn't...
Don't say I don't give Answers!
Sandee, you're on Adobe forums since ten years and, proportionally, I've given 10 times more good answers than you for only 3 years of presence! [and I don't count my good answers not indicated as correct!]
2nd point: My present answer was just a quick test that lets me think RaizelDesign's question could be fixed! … The op doesn't seem to be interested because no comment! …
3rd point: If you have an answer, show it to us! … by curiosity!
Last point: Thanks for your first comment! But I don't need it and don't play for this! I only want to learn Adobe users to be really more curious!
I would love to see how you did this. It is a great mystery!!
I thought perhaps you did it with paragraph numbering. But you would have to remove the original footnote number, and I do not see any way to do that.
I'm sorry, I wasn't clear. I was unable to replicate his solution, so I COULDN'T show you how he did it.
And his answer below STILL doesn't show it.
I'm sorry that an ACP should be that way.
You only want Adobe forum visitors to be more curious. And try to figure it out themselves?
THAT'S NOT THE REASON THEY ARE HERE!
They come to these boards for the answers. Not to be teased.
Maybe your foreign background and lack of English skills has confused you.
Let me be clear.
Don't show that you've solved a problem if you don't show others how it's done.
Care to elaborate? This isn't a game of twenty questions.
Apply a numbered list to the footnote paragraph, and a "hidden" (no fill, 0.1pt) character style to the footnote marker.
Vamitul: Yes, I had the same thought, but… how do you apply a character style to the footnote marker? OH! A nested style will do it!
Yes, that makes sense. (I was looking through the Type > Document Footnote Options dialog box for a method of applying a character style to the footnote character to make it disappear… it is not there… but a nested style will do it easily.)
So you apply automatic numbering and a nested style… the auto numbers "replace" the normal footnotes.
how do yo change the footnote reference marker?
As far as I know, as soon as you modify it, related footnote is deleted.
Besides, the idea is to keep the all thing flowing, not manually change every fn reference marker (assuming it is possible).
Thank you Vamitul,
I was somewhere on that plain, but didn't have the patience to go through it all.
Too bad Obi Wan didn't just explain it when he posted his original illustrations.
Actually, this still does not work. The automatic numbers do not increase… for me, they always begin at 1. (Yes, I have the numbers set to a List. The numbers increase in normal paragraphs, but not in footnotes.)
Has anyone gotten this to work except Obi-wan?
Didn't have the time to go into it. I trusted Vamitul.
Sorry I didn't get it to work.
Just use Cross-references and you could do it basically …
But do it manually! … I'm not sure it's the answer everybody expects!
Do explain more, please. How do you control the numbering?
Perhaps it's your limited English or a warped sense of humor, but you still haven't explained it.
And it's starting to look like you didn't really do it automatically.
Boo! Bad boy!
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Here, It's a funny game because the text frames are unthreaded!
That's why each first "true" footnote [Automatic footnote call and footnote] begins to "1"!
So, we need to "think different" and play in another way!
What I'm going to explain can be done easily by the op. Manually!
… But a script will do it in 1 click!
The deal is to have a continuous numbering of the footnotes even if the text frames aren't threaded!
[To do it, the script will need a chronological order of the frames! Not the op!]
That's the scenario I've imagined for a script!
About the Footnote call:
The op searches each footnote call and inserts after* it a small anchor text box [placed as "superscript" (para style, auto-resizing text frame) –– para style and object style to be defined by the user (or the script)]. (* I use a script to do it because I prefer it "after" but this could be played "before"!)
The insertion of this anchored text frame triggers a grep style that will automatically "make invisible" the footnote call!
Easy to plan with a simple grep F/R [search: .(?=~F) Replace by: $0~C]
With that code, the anchoring will be "before"!
About the Footnote:
A similar way: a grep style will be triggered by the insertion of the cross-reference [including into its format a "non-joiner"!] to our "false" footnote call to make invisible the real footnote numbering!
About the Cross-reference:
About the Footnote call numbering:
How does it work?
The op will have to change the numbers manually! … But a script does it simply counting the footnotes when it'll create the text frames and insert the numbering into them! Just inserting in the text frame the incrementation defined by the number of footnotes: Fn 1 (= First Fn = 0) => 1, Fn 2 (= second Fn = 1) => 2, …
When done, we'll have this [after generation, I've chosen to begin the numbering to "5", for test]:
… if, as I said in post@3 two weeks ago without interesting somebody, if you want to update the numbering, changing the first footnote number from "5" to "8", as:
… you'll do it simply with this code:
Edit the script with ESTK, just change "myValue" number [line 14 ; actually: "+3"] and launch the script!
For fun, you could play negative number!
The 2 first parts of the script [text frames creation + cross-references creation] has been written in another contexts. To be adapted if time … and less annoyed!
Script 1 (adaptation) written 15/01/2017: How can I make a new text frame for selected text?
Script 2 written 07/08/2016: Cross-reference paragraph number! …
Just for fun! Dropbox - Test_ID-Files.zip
The theory behind this is quite intriguing. And, to one-up it:
- for the fake footnote reference number (the one in the anchored frame) you can set up a numbered paragraph style with a global list. Then, instead of inserting the actual footnote number, you can just add a 0-width space.
- for the crossreference, instead of using the <fullPara> format, use <paraNumber> and suddenly you have dynamic numbered paragraphs that don't require any script.
At the end of the day I still feel it is a overly complex setup, so unless you have to update the numbers many times over, just changing them by hand would be faster.
When I've imagined this process, I've not seen a real interest to have an auto-numbering! In this case:
• no real interest: as unthreaded blocks, the numbering will start anyway at 1 in each block;
• need to add something else [for you, a 0-wish space] in the block to trigger the auto-numbering;
• If I need to play with such a layout, I know I'll use personally a script!
When you read the code I posted, Its idea is simplistic! … So, personally, why more?
I've never said it was the better way to play this kind of situation! Using threaded text frames would be much so simple: nothing else to do than playing with "standard" footnotes!
Uh... Thanks? But the reason I haven't checked back on this question is that it was way faster (and easier) to thread the stories.
Obi-wan Kenobi I've come back asking for an explanation
Until now I've been threading the boxes, but it's starting to cause issues (text wrap and spacing going all wonky).
Can you explain what you did in simpler terms? I have pretty much no background in scripting (yet.)
I followed you until the GREP that automatically causes the footnote reference number to become invisible. How do initiate that? Also, if I've got other lists in this document, will the numbering in the footnotes mess those up?
Thanks so much! And apologies, again, for not seeming to show interest earlier, but truthfully your answer just went over my head and threading the boxes was simpler.
I figured out a different way of causing the original numbers to be invisible, however how do I get rid of the quotes in the cross-reference?
No Time now, sorry!
And even less time when I see somebody just indicates now as useful Steve Werner's "without interest" comment [post#5]!!!
I'm sorry if I've offended. I think I've figured it out anyway.
Thanks for your help.
Not you! I talked about someone whose avatar is "amaarora"!
I'll take time to help you later!
Yes, thank you. I figured it out.
It's just the first time that I've ever inserted a cross-reference, so I had to explore my options a bit before figuring it out.
No worries. We are always happy to help.