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    Importing PE Catalogue into Lightroom

    brucet7672 Level 1

      I have been using PE on a PC for about 15 years. When I got a Mac I successfully imported my PE catalogue to the Mac after some minor issues. When I realized I cannot sync my PE albums with my iPhone or iPad I decided I would try Lightroom. On my Mac my photos and PE catalogue are on an external solid state drive and everything works well. When I downloaded and installed Lightroom I got a message that asked if I wanted to import my PE catalogue. I clicked yes and 2 seconds later it was done. The only problem is that it did not import anything. Now if I go to the File menu and try to import a PE catalogue I get a message that says I cannot import a PE catalogue more than once. I think Lightroom did not know where to look for my PE catalogue and photos.

       

      Yesterday I tried to get chat help and was told I needed to call Monday through Friday get product support  so I called today. I got someone who was very difficult to understand and needed to get help from others every few minutes. She tried to get me on the system where a technician can look at my screen and after about 20 minutes that did not work. In frustration I asked her to have someone who I could understand better and who had better firsthand knowledge of Lightroom call me back. I am still waiting.

       

      In the mean time, I think I would like to use Lightroom if I can get it to import my PE catalogue. My guess is I need to remove whatever is in Lightroom that thinks I already imported my PE catalogue and then use the File menu to import a PE catalogue. Hopefully, it will give me an opportunity to tell it where my PE catalogue is. Does anyone have something I could try while I am waiting for a call back? Thanks.

       

      Bruce T.

        • 1. Re: Importing PE Catalogue into Lightroom
          dj_paige Level 9

          You have obviously upgraded wrong PSE catalog. Go into PSE, make sure you have the proper catalog opened, and then try upgrading the PSE catalog into Lightroom again.

           

          If that doesn't work, try opening a new Lightroom catalog (File->New Catalog) and see if you can upgrade the PSE catalog into the new LR catalog.

          • 2. Re: Importing PE Catalogue into Lightroom
            brucet7672 Level 1

            I am quite sure PSE is looking at the correct Catalogue on my remote drive. When I tried opening a new Catalogue in LR and then went to upgrade the PSE Catalogue I got a message that "it imported 1 photo and was unable to import 12234 additional photos because the photos were moved to inaccessible PE backup drives. If you wish to manage the PE backup photos in LR, please use LR to import images from the following PE backup disk." Then it lists my external drive but that has the PSE backup I made on my PC in September. My imported PSE photos and Catalogue are in a Folder titled Photoshop Elements Library. I don't have an option for it to look at that folder.

            • 3. Re: Importing PE Catalogue into Lightroom
              brucet7672 Level 1

              Also, my only option with this box is to say OK. I cannot cancel the action or close LR.

               

              Bruce T.

              • 4. Re: Importing PE Catalogue into Lightroom
                dj_paige Level 9

                Are you trying to Upgrade a PSE catalog, or a backup of a PSE catalog? Are the photos in the location that PSE expects? Is the drive that contains the photos connected and not sleeping?

                • 5. Re: Importing PE Catalogue into Lightroom
                  brucet7672 Level 1

                  dj, I really want to thank you for trying to help. I have PE running on my mac. I would like to get  my photos, PE catalogue, tags, albums,  etc imported into LR on my Mac. As I said previously, I have my photos on an external solid state drive.  It happens to be a Sandisk Extreme 500. Here is what is on that disk;

                  - PE Backup 9-28-2016 (the backup i used to import PE from my old PC to my new Mac)

                  - Photoshop Elements Library (Created when I imported the 9-28 backup into PE on my Mac. It includes a folder titled My Catalogue - PE#6 1, and a Folder entitled Pictures that has all my photos that were imported into PE on my Mac)

                  - Pictures (this is a folder that duplicates the Folder on my PC that has all of my pictures and is not necessarily related to PE except on my PC this is where PE actually references my photos)

                  - Bruce's Lightroom Catalogue (This was created after I opened a new LR catalogue per your suggestion and tried to re-import my PE Catalogue. There are no pictures in it.)

                   

                  If I open PE on my Mac now it looks to the folder entitled Photoshop Elements Library on the Extreme 500 drive. That drive does not sleep that I know of.

                   

                  Thanks again. I am still waiting for a call back from Adobe. Don't know why they make it so difficult to get help )certainly not like Apple).

                   

                  Bruce T.

                  • 6. Re: Importing PE Catalogue into Lightroom
                    dj_paige Level 9

                    That's a lot of information and it confuses me.

                     

                    I asked "Are you trying to Upgrade a PSE catalog, or a backup of a PSE catalog?" and it's not clear to me that you have answered the question.

                     

                    Anyway, there is a partial alternative if you can't get the PSE catalog upgrade to LR work. You could have PSE write the tags to the files, and then import the photos into Lightroom. Your albums will not appear in Lightroom, and at least back when I was PSE user, and this method did not work for some RAW formats did not have the tags written to the files (actually to the sidecar xmp files).

                    • 7. Re: Importing PE Catalogue into Lightroom
                      brucet7672 Level 1

                      The choice in the LE File menu is Import a Photoshop elements Catalog. There is no choice for "Upgrade a PSE catalog". I clicked on the Import a Photoshop Elements Catalog choice.

                       

                      If Adobe can't help me do what all the LR commercials, that is import my PSE catalog, I don't see how it will be much use to me. I might as well import my photos into Apple's Photos program and live with losing some tags and having to rebuild my Albums.

                      • 8. Re: Importing PE Catalogue into Lightroom
                        dj_paige Level 9

                        Can you show me a screen capture of this "Import a Photoshop Elements Catalog" menu command? The Adobe documentation clearly states you use the Upgrade Photoshop Elements Catalog command. How to import photos from Photoshop Elements, other Lightroom catalogs, or apps such as iPhoto in Lightroom , and I have never seen anything else there.

                         

                        But you still haven't answered my question in a clear enough fashion for me to understand.

                         

                        Also, what version of PSE are you using?

                        • 9. Re: Importing PE Catalogue into Lightroom
                          brucet7672 Level 1

                          I will try to insert the screen shot I just took.Screen Shot 2016-12-13 at 10.21.05 AM.png

                          • 10. Re: Importing PE Catalogue into Lightroom
                            dj_paige Level 9

                            Well, I learned something new! Apparently the documentation was never updated.

                            • 11. Re: Importing PE Catalogue into Lightroom
                              brucet7672 Level 1

                              The web materials I looked at for Lightroom say everything from the PSE catalog would be saved except the "Events" but the tags for pictures in the events would be saved. That is what I would like to do.

                               

                              Bruce T.

                              • 12. Re: Importing PE Catalogue into Lightroom
                                MichelBParis Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                Just a note about what I discovered for the import of PE catalogs in LR.

                                Unless I am wrong, LR lists all catalogs present in the default folders location on C: drive, and ignores all catalogs on 'custom' destination, which is your case.

                                 

                                The wording has changed as you are showing, it's no longer 'update', it's 'import' from PE catalogs.

                                Since I can't find a way to make LR browse to custom location, I would simply copy the WHOLE catalog folder (the one containing the catalog.pse15db database) to the default location.

                                I would create a new LR catalog to start a clean import.

                                That catalog should be recognized.

                                You could check the size of that catalog folder before copying by the menu Help >> system information. If the 'import' succeeds, you can delete the folder copy.

                                • 13. Re: Importing PE Catalogue into Lightroom
                                  brucet7672 Level 1

                                  Thanks for the suggestion. My MacBook Air has  pretty limited memory which is why I went to an external drive for photos. At this point it is looking like Lightroom might be more trouble  than it is worth. I have started importing all my files into Apple's Photos program one folder  at a time so I can re-create tags, etc. It will be a big job but maybe not as big a job as it is to get technical support from Adobe.

                                   

                                  Bruce T.

                                  • 14. Re: Importing PE Catalogue into Lightroom
                                    MichelBParis Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                    brucet7672 wrote:

                                     

                                    Thanks for the suggestion. My MacBook Air has pretty limited memory which is why I went to an external drive for photos.

                                    Yes, that make sense for the library (the photo files), but not for the catalog (the database and associated files/folders).

                                    I am pretty sure the size of your catalog (as shown in the Help >> System Info menu) is small enough to be (temporarily) moved or copied to your main drive.

                                    • 15. Re: Importing PE Catalogue into Lightroom
                                      brucet7672 Level 1

                                      If I can summarize your last 2 posts as I understand them;

                                       

                                      From my remote drive (Extreme 500) where my PSE catalog and pictures are located, copy the PSE catalog folder to the Pictures folder on my Mac. On my Extreme 500 drive (remote drive) under the folder that is called Photoshop Elements Library is a folder called My Catalog - PE#6 1 (total size 636 MB which would not be a problem). In that folder are sub-folders BreezeData, CAXMP Files, Snycdb, and Waldo Data. There are also some files directly below the My Catalog - PE#6 1, one of which is a catalog.pse15db.

                                       

                                      So you are suggesting i

                                      - move the My Catalog - PE#6 1 folder directly under the Pictures folder on my Mac

                                      - then create a new catalog in LR

                                      - then I am not quit sure what to do. Do I again try to import a PSE catalog from the file menu in LR? Will it know where my pictures  are on the remote drive?

                                       

                                      Also, currently in the Pictures folder on my mac is a folder called Lightroom. Under this folder are 2 files; Lightroom Catalog Previews.irdata and Lightroom Catalog.Ircat. These were created when I followed some of the previous advice and got no pictures imported. Should I delete these before I try to create the new LR catalogue?

                                       

                                      Again, thanks for your help. I will wait to hear from you.

                                       

                                      Bruce T.

                                      • 16. Re: Importing PE Catalogue into Lightroom
                                        dj_paige Level 9
                                        Do I again try to import a PSE catalog from the file menu in LR? Will it know where my pictures  are on the remote drive?

                                        Yes and yes.

                                         

                                        Also, currently in the Pictures folder on my mac is a folder called Lightroom. Under this folder are 2 files; Lightroom Catalog Previews.irdata and Lightroom Catalog.Ircat. These were created when I followed some of the previous advice and got no pictures imported. Should I delete these before I try to create the new LR catalogue?

                                        This is pretty much irrelevant to the problem of importing a PSE catalog.

                                        • 17. Re: Importing PE Catalogue into Lightroom
                                          MichelBParis Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                          So you are suggesting i

                                          - move the My Catalog - PE#6 1 folder directly under the Pictures folder on my Mac

                                          Before starting the catalog folder move, it's necessary to understand how your Organizer catalogs are stored.
                                          - A catalog is a whole folder containing the main database (the file 'catalog.pse15db') plus other files and subfoldes you have already found:

                                          In that folder are sub-folders BreezeData, CAXMP Files, Snycdb, and Waldo Data

                                          .Yes.

                                          On my Extreme 500 drive (remote drive) under the folder that is called Photoshop Elements Library is a folder called My Catalog - PE#6 1 (total size 636 MB which would not be a problem).

                                          That's your current catalog, in 'custom' location. Why is it on 'custom' location? Most probably, because you have used the backup and restore method to move library and catalog to that external drive. That's good if you want to share your catalog and library by plugging the external drive to another computer with the same version of Elements.

                                          Should it be on 'default' location, and where is the 'default location'? It's your choice. The contents of the catalog don't change if you move the folder. By default, the location is a hidden folder (at least in Windows). When using the menu File >> Manage catalogs, you can choose to look at either 'default' or 'custom' location. When you installed pse15, the installer found your current catalog by that time, My Catalog - PE#6 1, converted it to the  new format in a new file with the same name. The '1' suffix means it's a converted catalog of a previous version.

                                          What is useful in your case is to have a look at the custom location: your catalog on the remote drive should be found and its location will confirm what you have already found.

                                          Now, you choose 'default location for all users' option in the catalog manager: (it's not under My Pictures, it's in 'ProgramData' in Windows) you'll most probably find at least one catalog, probably empty. If you select it and run the menu Help >> System Information, you'll find the location of that mysterious hidden default location.

                                           

                                          Now, back to your LR conversion: LR searches the default location and displays a list of catalogs to choose from. In my case I have not only my main catalog, I also have already converted old catalogs and some tests ones. LR displays exactly all subfolders (catalogs) in default location, and I can't see any way to have LR navigate to a custom location.

                                           

                                          Two possible workarounds:

                                          - copying the catalog folder from the remote drive to that default location (from the Finder)

                                          - or using the option to 'move' the catalog from the menu File >> Manage catalogs, selecting 'accessible to all users' as the destination. You don't have to worry to search for the default location, good, but your catalog will be moved, not simply copied.

                                          Note that you can move or copy (as backup) your catalog where you want from the explorer/finder. The catalog manager does not let you move a catalog to 'custom' location.

                                           

                                          I am confident that this will allow LR to show you your catalog and to convert it.

                                          After that, I'll let dj_paige answer any other LR questions.

                                          • 18. Re: Importing PE Catalogue into Lightroom
                                            brucet7672 Level 1

                                            OK Michel, what you outlined  seemed very logical to me. I was able to move my PSE Catalog from my remote drive to the "default location". In a Mac it is "users/myname/Library/Application Support/Adobe/Elements Organizer/Catalogs/My Catalog. After moving it using the PSE "manage catalogs" function PSE seemed to work fine.

                                             

                                            Then in Lightroom I created a "new catalog" using the file menu and then "imported a Photo Shop Elements Catalog". The same thing happened as before. The new LR catalog was created (this time in "users/myname/BT's Lightroom Catalog"). No pictures were imported.

                                             

                                            Any other ideas?

                                             

                                            I am now down to 3 days on my trial with LR and I have not looked at a picture yet.

                                             

                                            Bruce T.

                                            • 19. Re: Importing PE Catalogue into Lightroom
                                              brucet7672 Level 1

                                              By the way, when I create a new catalog in Lightroom I seem to get a choice on where to put it. The first time I tried it (several posts back) I put it in "pictures" on my Mac. This time I guess I had "users/myname" highlighted so that is where it put it. I did not have a choice to put it in the "users/myname/Library/----" location where the PSE catalogue is located (default location). My guess is the LR catalogue and the PSE catalog need to be in the same folder for things to work???

                                               

                                              Bruce T.

                                              • 20. Re: Importing PE Catalogue into Lightroom
                                                dj_paige Level 9

                                                Not correct. The LR catalog can be anywhere you want it to be. As Michel explained, apparently the PSE catalog has to be in the expected default location.

                                                • 21. Re: Importing PE Catalogue into Lightroom
                                                  brucet7672 Level 1

                                                  OK. as explained above, I moved my PSE catalog to the "default position" and PSE still seems to be able to get to the pictures. Lightroom still comes up with nothing when I try to import the PSE Catalog.

                                                  • 22. Re: Importing PE Catalogue into Lightroom
                                                    brucet7672 Level 1

                                                    Since I believe I followed the instructions Michel gave me to put the PSE Catalog in the correct "default position" and LR still did not import the PSE catalog and photos, what do I do now? Is there any way you could get someone to call me and help get my PSE Catalog and photos imported?

                                                    • 23. Re: Importing PE Catalogue into Lightroom
                                                      brucet7672 Level 1

                                                      By the way, I am using PSE 12. The Adobe web material on Lightroom say I can import anything from about version 6 and up???

                                                      • 24. Re: Importing PE Catalogue into Lightroom
                                                        dj_paige Level 9

                                                        Is there any way you could get someone to call me and help get my PSE Catalog and photos imported?

                                                        This is a user forum. We don't work for Adobe.

                                                        • 25. Re: Importing PE Catalogue into Lightroom
                                                          brucet7672 Level 1

                                                          In that case I really do thank you for your help. I tried to "chat" with Adobe technical support this morning and was told to keep using the forum because that is where they deal with this kind of issue. He said he was not trained to deal with it. Unbelievable.

                                                          • 26. Re: Importing PE Catalogue into Lightroom
                                                            MichelBParis Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                            brucet7672 wrote:

                                                             

                                                            OK Michel, what you outlined seemed very logical to me. I was able to move my PSE Catalog from my remote drive to the "default location". In a Mac it is "users/myname/Library/Application Support/Adobe/Elements Organizer/Catalogs/My Catalog. After moving it using the PSE "manage catalogs" function PSE seemed to work fine.

                                                             

                                                            Then in Lightroom I created a "new catalog" using the file menu and then "imported a Photo Shop Elements Catalog". The same thing happened as before. The new LR catalog was created (this time in "users/myname/BT's Lightroom Catalog"). No pictures were imported.

                                                            Something I had suspected (and dj_paige as well) is that the converted LR catalog was not the good one.

                                                            Thinking more about the information you have given, the size of 636 MG for a catalog folder seems correct for a relatively small catalog, but definitively not for an empty one.

                                                            So, it seems that the PSE catalog is now available and correct for conversion by LR, but you don't get any imprted pictures.

                                                            Since we can't see exactly the process on your own display, we must ask questions:

                                                            - Can you describe the conversion process in LR? From my experience, that lasts some time with different messages (3 different stages). Did you see those messages, was the conversion very quick?

                                                            Could you provide a screenshot of your LR screen after the import?

                                                            • 27. Re: Importing PE Catalogue into Lightroom
                                                              dj_paige Level 9

                                                              What file types are the photos in PSE?

                                                               

                                                              If they are JPG, TIF, PSD or various different RAWs, then that wouldn't explain the problem; however there can be some file types in PSE that will not convert to LR.

                                                              • 28. Re: Importing PE Catalogue into Lightroom
                                                                brucet7672 Level 1

                                                                Hello Michel. Thanks again for trying to help. The conversion started by going to the correct location for my PSE Folder, then it went through 3 steps quickly and said it could not import the pictures because they are on an inaccessible drive, then it said ""enjoy using Lightroom""". The new LR catalog only has about 2MB in it so it is obviously not the imported PSE catalog. I am enclosing 3 screenshots.

                                                                 

                                                                 

                                                                Screen Shot 2016-12-14 at 1.03.23 PM.pngScreen Shot 2016-12-14 at 1.03.48 PM.pngScreen Shot 2016-12-14 at 1.04.05 PM.png

                                                                • 29. Re: Importing PE Catalogue into Lightroom
                                                                  brucet7672 Level 1

                                                                  I don't think there is anything but  jpegs.

                                                                  • 30. Re: Importing PE Catalogue into Lightroom
                                                                    dj_paige Level 9

                                                                    The first screen capture says that there is one photo to import.

                                                                     

                                                                    Now, forgive me if this has been mentioned earlier in this thread (because it is a very long thread), but are the photos that didn't import designated as missing in the Photoshop Elements catalog? I believe that PSE puts a ? icon on photos that are missing, but it has been so long, maybe that's wrong. I'm sure Michel knows.

                                                                    • 31. Re: Importing PE Catalogue into Lightroom
                                                                      brucet7672 Level 1

                                                                      I don't think this is the problem. When I open PSE it shows fit has access to 11474 photos, The one "photo" that was imported by LR is really empty, there is nothing in it. I am guessing it is some kind of placeholder. Finally, my PSE catalog has 636MB it it and the imported LR catalog only has 2MB.

                                                                      • 32. Re: Importing PE Catalogue into Lightroom
                                                                        dj_paige Level 9

                                                                        brucet7672 wrote:

                                                                         

                                                                        I don't think this is the problem. When I open PSE it shows fit has access to 11474 photos, The one "photo" that was imported by LR is really empty, there is nothing in it. I am guessing it is some kind of placeholder. Finally, my PSE catalog has 636MB it it and the imported LR catalog only has 2MB.

                                                                        This doesn't answer my question. Are the photos in the PSE catalog listed as missing?

                                                                        • 33. Re: Importing PE Catalogue into Lightroom
                                                                          brucet7672 Level 1

                                                                          How do you want me to check this. I am assuming if I can see the photos and have the option to modify them if I want to they are not missing. Don't see any question marks anywhere.

                                                                          • 34. Re: Importing PE Catalogue into Lightroom
                                                                            joachims25232702 Level 1

                                                                            Get yourself an evaluation copy of the latest PE version. Restore a Backup of your current PE catalog into that. Do not upgrade the existing catalog of your old PE version, you can not go back and have to buy the new version if you  fail to cross into LR. Leave everything on default in your new PE. Redo the LR Import, delete everything LR has done so far before you do that.

                                                                            The way PE stores catalogs and photos is close to criminal because you will lose oversight about where is what. LR is more transparent, so this alone is worth the upgrade.

                                                                            • 35. Re: Importing PE Catalogue into Lightroom
                                                                              brucet7672 Level 1

                                                                              Thank you very much. I will give this a try tomorrow afternoon. I am tied up on something else until then.

                                                                               

                                                                              Bruce T.

                                                                              • 36. Re: Importing PE Catalogue into Lightroom
                                                                                MichelBParis Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                                                joachims25232702 wrote:

                                                                                 

                                                                                Get yourself an evaluation copy of the latest PE version. Restore a Backup of your current PE catalog into that. Do not upgrade the existing catalog of your old PE version, you can not go back and have to buy the new version if you fail to cross into LR. Leave everything on default in your new PE. Redo the LR Import, delete everything LR has done so far before you do that.

                                                                                 

                                                                                That is assuming LR can import PSE15 catalogs better than PSE14 ones.

                                                                                Totally unlikely from my experience.

                                                                                That whole long thread was to be sure LR did find the correct PSE catalog and to be sure that catalog was in good health, without missing files, which is pretty sure now.

                                                                                 

                                                                                So the unanswered question now is in the second screenshot.

                                                                                LR has found 12234 photos registered in the right PSE catalog, which confirms it's the good one, and the reason for the lack of convertion is:

                                                                                "... the photos were moved to inacessible Elements backup drive"

                                                                                 

                                                                                This does not make sense, and trying to convert a PSE15 catalog version would surely trigger the same nonsense error message.

                                                                                The dialog suggestion to 'import' instead of 'convert' suggests that the drive is recognized? I hope it's not a Mac thing...

                                                                                 

                                                                                Bruce:

                                                                                 

                                                                                Instead of trying to install the trial version of PSE15, I would do a shorter test.

                                                                                - create a new PSE14 catalog with only one hundred test photos from a temporary folder in your main computer.

                                                                                - try the LR conversion from a new empty LR catalog.

                                                                                - If that works (it will...), use the catalog manager in PSE14 to move the test folder on your external drive, just under the root folder.

                                                                                - try the LR conversion from another new empty LR catalog.

                                                                                 

                                                                                If you get the same kind of message, we have all been following a wrong path.

                                                                                 

                                                                                joachims25232702 wrote:

                                                                                 

                                                                                The way PE stores catalogs and photos is close to criminal because you will lose oversight about where is what.

                                                                                If you don't know, just ask... By the way, neither Elements nor LR do store photos. The help file >> System Informations tells all about the catalogs.

                                                                                LR is more transparent, so this alone is worth the upgrade.

                                                                                That's probably true for already proficient LR users. For users already acquainted to the organizer, that's a joke. LR needs (and deserves) a real learning stage, even if the basic catalog concepts are very similar.

                                                                                • 37. Re: Importing PE Catalogue into Lightroom
                                                                                  joachims25232702 Level 1

                                                                                  Sometimes a good fresh restart helps. So far the problem has not been solved. Sure, neither LR nor PE store photos, they just manage links to those photos. Strange though, that the whole forum is full of people searching for their photos. LR lets you save catalogs wherever you want, PE wants them to reside deep in your user folder. The moment you manage to screw up your user ID and create a new one or changed it through some strange disc cloning work  you will need to go searching.

                                                                                  • 38. Re: Importing PE Catalogue into Lightroom
                                                                                    MichelBParis Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                                                    joachims25232702 wrote:

                                                                                     

                                                                                    LR lets you save catalogs wherever you want, PE wants them to reside deep in your user folder.

                                                                                    No. You can store your Elements catalog anywhere, like in Lightroom (see the descripion in my previous posts).

                                                                                    To summarize:

                                                                                    - By default, catalogs (which are folders, not single files like .llrcat in LR) are stored under a single master folder containing all the catalogs of all recent versions. It's a 'hidden' folder to avoid excessive fiddling by amateur users... That's the master folder read by LR for the conversion.

                                                                                    - Catalog folders contain a main sqlite database, like LR. They contain another sqlite database for thumbnails, whereas the LR previews are stored separately. They also contain many subfolders and accessory text files.

                                                                                    - The 'hidden' location in the explorer is not hidden to the user, it is available from the menu Help >> System Information.

                                                                                    - Catalog backup: there is the main difference with LR. They imply saving both the catalog and the media library. LR does not deal with saving the library, which is understandable for the typical LR users who are supposed to better understand the pro blem. When you use the backup/restore process to migrate to another computer or master folder, the library and the catalog folder are rebuilt under the master folder. So the catalog is no longer in the default location. It's easy to bring it back to the default location (it's your choice). The organizer does not offer a command to move a catalog to 'custom' location. You can do so from the explorer if you want (as a backup or to move it to the same external drive as the library; that's a very common solution to share catalogs and libraries - nothing different from LR).

                                                                                    - There are 'pros' and 'cons' for the choice of keeping all the elements of a catalog in a folder (organizer) or in a single file (LR). That may be very useful in some cases, but dangerous for newbies... That may explain the choice of the default hidden location.

                                                                                    • 39. Re: Importing PE Catalogue into Lightroom
                                                                                      joachims25232702 Level 1

                                                                                      I think you just described very acuratley what I call a nightmare in catalog mangement that PE does. Based on this I would not advice anyboy to touch PE for his or her photos.

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