32 Replies Latest reply on Jan 4, 2017 1:55 AM by Trevor.Dennis

    ooking for tips or guidance for creating a poster

    JeffreyW Level 1

      I am looking to create a 24x36 poster in PS for my daughter in which I want to paint around 5 Les Paul guitars (all different colors) with guitar tabs for songs as the background. My question is how do I make sure I set the guitars at a proper image size that will scale to the poster size of 24x36?

       

      I'm creating each Les Paul guitar as it's own layer and then placing the layers in the poster. Once I have them all set I'll them merge the layers for printing. I just want to make sure the guitars are at the proper image size within the poster (not too big and more importantly, not too small).

       

      I would appreciate any feedback.

       

      Thx,

      Jeff

        • 1. Re: ooking for tips or guidance for creating a poster
          JJMack Most Valuable Participant

          The poster is your composition. There is no right or wrong size.  I don't even know what guitar tabs for songs are. Just remember a 2' x 3' posters does not need to have a have a 300DPI print resolution. If you plan on having many layers creating the documemt with a 150 to 200dpi resolution will reduce the number of Pixels Photoshop will have to deal with. Photoshop will perform better dealing with fewer pixels. The canvas size 2' x 3' at 300DPI is 77.7MP a 2" x 3" 150DPI canvas size is 19.4MP  the is 1/4 the size as the 300DPI canvas.

          • 2. Re: ooking for tips or guidance for creating a poster
            postrophe Level 4

            Hi

             

            JJ, I think the Op is talking about a  24 inch x 36 inch poster.

             

            Pierre

            • 3. Re: ooking for tips or guidance for creating a poster
              JJMack Most Valuable Participant

              When I divide 24" and 36"  by 12'" I get 2' by 3' don't you?

              • 4. Re: ooking for tips or guidance for creating a poster
                postrophe Level 4

                Hi

                 

                Right, but some time it can be confusing.

                I dont think the Op what to create a postal Stamp, I still think the Op want to create a "poster"  ( 24" X 36").

                Or (2 feet X 3 feet).

                 

                Anyway, without knowing/seeing the Op images, hard to say if all images will fit the master PS file.

                 

                Pierre

                • 5. Re: ooking for tips or guidance for creating a poster
                  JJMack Most Valuable Participant

                  Yes I can not type and I hit the Shift key when I shoul not have and  type " instead or '................ and some printers could print 19.4 MP in 2"x3" paper ny mot 77.7MP

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                    davescm Adobe Community Professional

                    Hi Jeffrey

                     

                    You will be viewing a 24x36 inch poster from around 3 feet al least. At that distance good eyes can resolve about 200dpi * Anything more you won't see.

                     

                    So in practice :

                     

                    If the guitars are photographic images, then the image will already be at a resolution. Drop them into your poster as smart objects without sharpening and scale them to the size you need. Sharpen the final image before printing.

                     

                    If you are drawing/painting the guitars - either work in illustrator which will do this as scalable vectors (i.e. they will look smooth at any size) or if you are working with pixels in Photoshop, paint them at your poster size and use 200dpi. That way you should be fine.

                     

                     

                     

                    * see this link on image resolution

                    http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/what-print-resolution-works-for-what-viewing-distance/

                     

                    Dave

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                      Trevor.Dennis Adobe Community Professional

                      I am also not sure what a guitar tab is, but Google tells me that it might be an illustration of strings and frets with finger positions.  As others have said, this is your design, so I don't know what you are asking. Will you create the guitars with Photoshop, or use photographs?  How big will each guitar appear on the poster?

                       

                      Because it is impossible not to throw at least some sort of idea at you, I thought of the entire background with the LP wood grain and dark gradient outside.  If this is indeed what a tab looks like, I have inlaid a large tab into the background. We can answer specific questions btw.

                      • 8. Re: ooking for tips or guidance for creating a poster
                        JeffreyW Level 1

                        Trevor,

                         

                        Thx for the reply.

                         

                        I plan on using the guitar tab (inserted below) as the background.

                         

                        Crazy Train.jpeg

                        Then I am going to paint 5 Les Paul guitars (like below - changing the color each time) and stack them one above the other with some space between each guitar (I plan on using guides to help space them). As you asked, how big should each guitar appear on the poster? I assume after I'm done painting each guitar I can free transform each guitar to the same appropriate size on the poster? I'm assuming it's WYSIWYG as what I see on screen (image size wise) is what will be printed out for the final image. Just want to make sure the image size for the guitars are correct before printing the poster.

                         

                        Blueberry Burst Les Paul.jpeg

                        Thx

                        • 9. Re: ooking for tips or guidance for creating a poster
                          cmgap Adobe Community Professional

                          Do you have illustrator? If you do, you can place your guitar images in Ai and use image trace (on high fidelity photos) to create vectors of the guitars, paint / color them as you wish and paste them back into Ps as smart objects. Scaling the guitars as vector images will maintain the quality if you choose to increase the size. The high fidelity trace will not be exactly the same as the photographic image but since you plan on painting them anyway you may like this style for your poster.

                           

                          If you don't have illustrator then you should work with the guitar images at 100% or in other words at the same size you want them to be when printed so that you aren't enlarging them. This image is 27" wide now at 72 dpi... do you have a higher resolution file or are you pulling these down from the web? Generally speaking you can reduce image size without losing quality but not the other way around. Again this image looks good at 27" and if the width of your poster is 24" it should hold up.

                          • 10. Re: ooking for tips or guidance for creating a poster
                            JJMack Most Valuable Participant

                            JeffreyW wrote:

                             

                             

                            I plan on using the guitar tab (inserted below) as the background.

                             

                            Crazy Train.jpeg

                            Then I am going to paint 5 Les Paul guitars (like below - changing the color each time) 

                             

                            Blueberry Burst Les Paul.jpeg

                            Thx

                            The background you currently have does not have the amount of pixels you need for a 3 foot by 2 foot poster and it also does not have a 3:2 aspect ratio.  You need more pixels  if you want that music to cover the major portion of your 3'x2' 150 to 200DPI canvas.

                             

                            Your guitar images will not be filling a major part of your poster's canvas. So the number of pixels you have for your guitars images is fine.  However,  the image is a bit soft IMO and could use some sharpening.  It also has a white background which should be removed. The image should then be saved as a png with a transparent background.   That png file can be placed placed into of poster  sized and positioned via the Place transform.   Once you have  the 5 placed guitars positioned and sized the way you want you can add adjustment layers clipped to a guitar layer to color the guitar the way you want.

                             

                            The sharpen Guitar png may look something like this.

                            Blueberry+Burst+Les+Paul.png

                            • 11. Re: ooking for tips or guidance for creating a poster
                              JeffreyW Level 1

                              JJMack,

                               

                              Thx for the reply and information.

                               

                              Is there a rule of thumb or perhaps a chart that shows how many pixels an image needs depending on the aspect ratio or canvas size? For example, using the guitar tab as a background, what would be the number of pixels needed for a 3:2 aspect ratio (3 foot x 2 foot poster)? A chart would be great as in the future I could then search for specific image sizes based on the aspect ratio or canvas size.

                               

                              Thx for the tip about sharpening the guitar image and saving it as a .png with a transparent background and then placing them as with your suggestion I might make two iterations of the poster: One with the actual guitar images and one with the painting of the guitars I plan to do (my artistic interpretation of the guitars).

                              • 12. Re: ooking for tips or guidance for creating a poster
                                JeffreyW Level 1

                                Thx for the reply and info

                                 

                                Unfortunately I do not have Illustrator (planning on purchasing in the near future though). Greatly appreciate the tip on use image trace to create vectors of the guitars, paint them, then paste them back into PS as smart objects. Once I get Illustrator that's the way I'll go.

                                 

                                I'm pulling these down from the web. Is there a chart or a doc to refer to that shows what the number of pixels needs to be for a specific image size? Would love to refer to a doc so when I either search or create an image for a certain canvas size or aspect ratio, the number of pixels needed is listed.

                                 

                                Trying to learn as much as I can about canvas size, image size, and aspect ratios.

                                 

                                Thx again

                                • 13. Re: ooking for tips or guidance for creating a poster
                                  JJMack Most Valuable Participant

                                  Its simple math.  A canvas 36" x 24"  and resolution 150dpi 200dpi 300dpi do the math at 150DPI you need to have high quality pixels 5,400px by 3,600.  You only have  651px by 564px in your Crazy Train image.

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                                    Trevor.Dennis Adobe Community Professional

                                    Using Google Image search with its 'Larger than' filter set to 20Mp still gets a lot of hits, and is the biggest size filter that gets any meaningful results.  Or are you photographing the guitar(s)?

                                    • 16. Re: ooking for tips or guidance for creating a poster
                                      JeffreyW Level 1

                                      I'm pulling the images from the web. i wish I had all those Les Paul guitars to photograph!

                                       

                                      I'm starting to get the hang (appreciate) of image sizes as related to canvas size as I place the 2000 px x 666 px guitar images into the 18x24 canvas in PS.

                                       

                                      I'm not finding larger images of the guitar with a white/black background in which I could cut out the guitar and then place into the canvas. I may have to go with more guitars on the canvas at lower image sizes to fill up the canvas. However, when I paint the guitars I should be good as I can create those painting at a much larger image size that will scale well in the 18 x 24 canvas.

                                       

                                      Thx again

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                                        postrophe Level 4

                                        Hi

                                         

                                        If you are serious about this project, best to contact "Gibson USA", and ask them for their photographic archives.

                                        Explain to them "carefully" about your project.

                                         

                                        Pierre

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                                        • 18. Re: ooking for tips or guidance for creating a poster
                                          Trevor.Dennis Adobe Community Professional

                                          JeffreyW wrote:

                                           

                                          I'm not finding larger images of the guitar with a white/black background in which I could cut out the guitar and then place into the canvas. I may have to go with more guitars on the canvas at lower image sizes to fill up the canvas. However, when I paint the guitars I should be good as I can create those painting at a much larger image size that will scale well in the 18 x 24 canvas.

                                           

                                          Thx again

                                          Crikey.  Just how big do you want this file to be?  And how are you going to arrange the guitars on the poster? There is a huge selection of suitable instruments at the 20Mp size I suggested earlier.   I arranged and sized them so that the necks were the same length (which was a guess) and the resulting file is 10.5 x 7k pixels, which at 36 x 24 inches is barely short of the ideal 300ppi.  You are home and dry Jeffrey.

                                          • 19. Re: ooking for tips or guidance for creating a poster
                                            Trevor.Dennis Adobe Community Professional

                                            Looking at your post #8 again, the tablature is still a stumbling block.  By going up size filters one step at a time, the largest relevant file I could find was this one that still falls well short.  If it was me, I couldn't possibly even think about proceeding with this project without creating vector version of the tablature.  The staves are easy to create, and there are lots of musical notation fonts out there, but the image you posted in #8 is so tiny I can't even see it well enough to remake it as a vector.

                                             

                                            How crucial is this particular sheet music, and do you have it as hard copy you could photograph, or even scan (at 600dpi)?  If you find the thought of vectorising the music daunting, I suspect that if you supplied a better original, it might magically get done for you.  I notice you actually say Guitar 'tabs' plural, so if you were OK with using a bunch of them artfully arranged in the background, the size is not nearly so important.

                                             

                                            http://musictheoryforguitar101.com/index_files/PDF/SamplePage_SheetMusic2016.jpg

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                                              postrophe Level 4

                                              Hi

                                               

                                              Have you created a 'muck up" of your poster (whatever the resolution/size) ? If so, can you upload it here ?

                                               

                                              Pierre

                                              • 21. Re: ooking for tips or guidance for creating a poster
                                                Trevor.Dennis Adobe Community Professional

                                                postrophe wrote:

                                                 

                                                Hi

                                                 

                                                Have you created a 'muck up" of your poster (whatever the resolution/size) ? If so, can you upload it here ?

                                                 

                                                Pierre

                                                Now that is an excellent suggestion, and might save us wasting time with false assumptions. 

                                                • 22. Re: ooking for tips or guidance for creating a poster
                                                  JeffreyW Level 1

                                                  postrophe,

                                                   

                                                  Great idea - I will contact Gibson USA and inquire about their photographic archives as I "carefully" explain my project.to them

                                                  • 23. Re: ooking for tips or guidance for creating a poster
                                                    JeffreyW Level 1

                                                    I think I may have found a way around scaling the current guitar images I have as when I opened one up last night and set the dimensions to percent and then selected 200% for w x h, the image actually scaled up rather well without losing much sharpness and was a reasonably sized image within the 18 x 24 poster

                                                     

                                                    I am going to do some more experimenting tonight, especially with the tablatures as I was thinking I could use multiple tablatures as the background. Another idea I was thinking for the background was using a silhouette of a guitar player (Pete Townshend doing his famous windmill or something along those lines)

                                                     

                                                    Another idea I was thinking for the background was using a silhouette of a guitar player (Pete Townshend doing his famous windmill or something along those lines) if the tablatures prove too tricky as a background.

                                                     

                                                    Hopefully, I'll upload a mock poster design later tonight for review. Can't thank you guys enough for your feedback and help.

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                                                      JeffreyW Level 1

                                                      Your layout looks pretty good!

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                                                        JeffreyW Level 1

                                                        Here's the mock up. Two things to note:

                                                         

                                                        1) I didn't cut the guitars out yet as they still have their white background (but for the final poster I will cut the guitars out of their background)

                                                        2) I sized the 'Whole Lotta Love' tab to 200% x 200%. Obviously when I cut the guitars out from their background more of the tab will show

                                                        Poster mock up.jpg

                                                        Quick question - when I have the final design, should I merge all layers and flatten?

                                                         

                                                        Thx again

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                                                          JeffreyW Level 1

                                                          Second mock up as I changed the layout of the guitars:

                                                           

                                                          Poster mock up 2.jpg

                                                          Was thinking perhaps an inside black border would be good. Looks to plain without one.

                                                           

                                                          Thx

                                                          • 27. Re: ooking for tips or guidance for creating a poster
                                                            JeffreyW Level 1

                                                            Third mock up with Pete Townshend as the background with opacity lowered. If I wanted to set Pete as a silhouette, should I use the pen tool on his image first and then bring him over, or is there an alternative way to create a silhouette? The photo I found of him is in black and white.

                                                             

                                                            Poster mock up 3.jpg

                                                            • 28. Re: ooking for tips or guidance for creating a poster
                                                              Trevor.Dennis Adobe Community Professional

                                                              JeffreyW wrote:

                                                               

                                                              Quick question - when I have the final design, should I merge all layers and flatten?

                                                               

                                                              Thx again

                                                              Definitely not.  Leave all layers intact, and export to PDF using the High Quality Print preset.  I am not going to say much about colour as it is not my area of expertise.  I give my artwork to a friend printer as sRGB, and he converts to CMYK and does a test print for me.

                                                               

                                                              Some points:

                                                              The white backgrounds are incredibly easy to remove just using the Magic wand, which is all I used for my post #18.

                                                              The sheet music gives you a lot of possibilities being black on white.  You could overlay multiple layers all with their blend mode set to Darken, and the white would be transparent, like this

                                                              You could chose to distort the music over the guitars using a displacement map.  This is VERY quick and dirty, but gives you the idea

                                                              The bottom line is you dream it up, and if it is doable, we'll tell you how.

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                                                              • 29. Re: ooking for tips or guidance for creating a poster
                                                                Trevor.Dennis Adobe Community Professional

                                                                I 'love' this picture of PT.  Only 822x1024 but it might work stretched as a faded background.

                                                                https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/c3/38/d3/c338d38c027648e5b626a4a82bd544e7.jpg

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                                                                  JeffreyW Level 1

                                                                  I did download that pic as well (plus about 10 others) - what a great shot! Seems like there's infinite options with pictures to create, which is both awesome and intimidating at the same time. I foresee various iterations of this poster.

                                                                   

                                                                  Would've love to see The Who in their prime as to me there's never been a band more powerful live, and I've only seen videos!

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                                                                    JeffreyW Level 1

                                                                    Thx again as the images you posted are awesome. Love the variation and endless possibilities. Feel like I'm going down a rabbit hole with this, but in a good way.

                                                                     

                                                                    Thx for the heads up on not merging all layers and exporting to PDF using the High Quality Print preset.

                                                                     

                                                                    I can't thank you enough for taking the time to provide feedback/tips/tricks/how to information. I've been watching a ton of video on Lynda.com about PS trying to learn as much as I can, and combined with the replies I've gotten here I'm starting to feel like I'm increasing my .00001% knowledge of PS!

                                                                    • 32. Re: ooking for tips or guidance for creating a poster
                                                                      Trevor.Dennis Adobe Community Professional

                                                                      JeffreyW wrote:

                                                                       

                                                                      Would've love to see The Who in their prime as to me there's never been a band more powerful live, and I've only seen videos!

                                                                      They actually turned up and gigged at the local tech college bar in the mid to late sixties.  This was in Southend-on-Sea in Essex.  It was early days for them, but we certainly knew who they were and couldn't believe our luck.  It was not planed or advertized, and I don't know to this day how it happened.  World class gigs is one of the things I miss the most after moving to New Zealand.

                                                                       

                                                                      The best way to learn Photoshop is by need and required skills.  Like I said back up the thread.  You have to dream up a look, or see something you'd like to emulate, and then work out how to do it.  One of the reasons I post here is that we see questions on how to do stuff that we don't know the answers to.  We then work it out, and practice and swap ideas with each other, and we all come out of it with a few more tips and tricks.  It's win win for all of us.

                                                                       

                                                                      I like Deke McClelland on Lynda because he seems to have total knowledge on the apps he teaches.  That tells you how to use the tools and features, and then we turn to the likes of Bert Monroy and Steve Caplin to learn how to put it use.  There is always more to learn.  I assisted Bert Monroy at MAX this year and was just a bit awe struck by him, but he was such a nice person, and I came away with a couple more little workflow tips.  I've been doing nothing but digital portraits since getting back, while this first one of my wife  took the best part of a month, I am getting much quicker now, and always learning.  It is infinitely more rewarding than tarting up a few photographs.

                                                                       

                                                                      Try to find inspiration, and then try to emulate it yourself.  You'll continuously reinforce the skills that you actually need, without wasting time to learn things you might never use again.  When I teach Photoshop, I always tell people that you don't need to learn it all at once.  That's impossible.