24 Replies Latest reply on Jan 8, 2017 7:49 AM by trshaner

    How to filter in-camera-jpg´s only?

    LCAGE Level 1

      Dear Community:

       

      Is there a way in lightroom to filter the in-camera-jpg´s only? Can I set up a smart-collection to do that job? If yes, what are the settings? Many thanks´ in advance.

       

      Lars

        • 1. Re: How to filter in-camera-jpg´s only?
          dj_paige Level 9

          Do you mean in-camera jpgs as opposed to other JPGs that have been edited by Lightroom? Or do you mean something else?

          • 2. Re: How to filter in-camera-jpg´s only?
            LCAGE Level 1

            Correct! With the term "in-camera-JPG", I mean JPG´s directly from the camera.

            • 3. Re: How to filter in-camera-jpg´s only?
              dj_paige Level 9

              But do you have other JPGs imported into Lightroom somehow? Yes or No?

               

              If YES, then what is different about them? Where did they come from?

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              • 4. Re: How to filter in-camera-jpg´s only?
                LCAGE Level 1

                The Date and Time (Original) of the latest modification is equal to the capture time.

                • 5. Re: How to filter in-camera-jpg´s only?
                  dj_paige Level 9

                  You can't filter on that.

                   

                  Could you please answer the question I asked, where did the other JPGs (that you don't want) come from?

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                  • 6. Re: How to filter in-camera-jpg´s only?
                    LCAGE Level 1

                    The other JPG´s were generated in post processing software like LR, PS, C1, Corel

                    • 7. Re: How to filter in-camera-jpg´s only?
                      LCAGE Level 1

                      I can´t filter on that

                       

                      LATEST MODIFICATION = CAPTURE TIME

                      • 8. Re: How to filter in-camera-jpg´s only?
                        dj_paige Level 9

                        So is there something different in the file name for the files from PS, C1, Corel? Usually software adds "edit" or some variation of those to the edited files to distinguish them from the unedited JPGs.

                         

                        Regarding the edited photos that were edited in LR, have you exported the photos and then included the exports in LR?

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                        • 9. Re: How to filter in-camera-jpg´s only?
                          LCAGE Level 1

                          It would be easy if LR would me allow to filter the EXIF-Data this way:

                           

                          DateTimeOriginal is equal DateTime

                           

                          Since I got my Fuji cameras, I keep the in-camera-jpgs. :-)

                           

                          It is true, after importing the file, every post processing software put it´s name into the EXIF-Data, the name of the field is "Software".

                           

                           

                          I already tried this smart collection filter, but it does not work:

                           

                          Has Adjustments - is false

                          File Type - is - JPG

                          • 10. Re: How to filter in-camera-jpg´s only?
                            dj_paige Level 9

                            I'm sorry but I have to point this out. The pattern here is clear. I ask a question, you don't answer my question, and instead bring up some other point.

                             

                            My question that remains unanswered is: So is there something different in the file name for the files from PS, C1, Corel?

                             

                            And also this one: Regarding the edited photos that were edited in LR, have you exported the photos and then included the exports in LR?

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                            • 11. Re: How to filter in-camera-jpg´s only?
                              LCAGE Level 1

                              My question that remains unanswered is: So is there something different in the file name for the files from PS, C1, Corel?

                               

                              Answer: NO! LR automatically renames my files during import and overwrites the original file name. All my files are renamed!

                               

                              And also this one: Regarding the edited photos that were edited in LR, have you exported the photos and then included the exports in LR?

                               

                              Answer: YES! I organize and sync two main folders in LR

                               

                              Folder 1 "CAPTURE" contains RAW´s , TIFF´s and DNG´s

                               

                              Folder 2 "OUTPUT" contains JPG only (My LR/PS/C1/Corel-exported and my in-camera-generated JPG´s are mixed up in this folder)

                              • 12. Re: How to filter in-camera-jpg´s only?
                                JimHess Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                Why do you even need the output folder containing all those Lightroom generated JPEG's? Use Lightroom to manage your master images and export JPEG's when you need them for other programs or for e-mail or other purposes. Personally, I don't see a need to have an output of an image just to have an output. If you make a change to the master image then you have to output again in order to keep things synchronized.  Seems to me the most logical way to resolve this issue would be to ONLY have the camera-generated JPEG images in Lightroom.

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                                • 13. Re: How to filter in-camera-jpg´s only?
                                  LCAGE Level 1

                                  @Jim

                                   

                                  You are Right! That´s the best way to do LR. I totally agree with you.

                                   

                                  But this won´t work for me. I have to share my folders with Graphicdesigners, Retouchers and some other people. So I have to keep my folders organized in a fixed structure.

                                   

                                  Foldername (year,month,day,name)

                                   

                                  Subfolders:

                                  1-Capture (RAW´s / DNG´s)

                                  2-Selection (TIFF´s))

                                  3-Master (PSD´s)

                                  4-Output (JPG)

                                  • 14. Re: How to filter in-camera-jpg´s only?
                                    JimHess Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                    To my knowledge, there is no way to differentiate between in-camera JPEG images and JPEG images created by Lightroom. I don't know of any smart collection filter or other method to do that. Perhaps you are going to have to examine your workflow. Maybe you should consider importing in-camera JPEG images separately, putting them in their own folder. Since I don't know your folder structure and workflow as intimately as you do I cannot give you any further advice.

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                                    • 15. Re: How to filter in-camera-jpg´s only?
                                      LCAGE Level 1

                                      It would only be possible to filter in-camera-generated-JPG´s when Adobe improves their filter functions.

                                       

                                      The EXIF-Data contain all necessary information.

                                       

                                      DateTimeOriginal - is equal - DateTime

                                       

                                      DateTimeOriginal (is the capture time)

                                      DateTime (is the time when the file was generated)

                                       

                                      Every in-camera-generated-JPG has this property. Both times are equal!

                                       

                                       

                                      • 16. Re: How to filter in-camera-jpg´s only?
                                        trshaner Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                        LCAGE wrote:

                                         

                                        It would be easy if LR would me allow to filter the EXIF-Data this way:

                                         

                                        DateTimeOriginal is equal DateTime

                                        I suggest sending an email to John Ellis who is the creator of Any Filter Lightroom Plugin. His current filter doesn't provide this capability, but John may be able to come up with a solution. It sounds like a useful filter function.

                                         

                                        Please send problems, bugs, suggestions, and feedback to

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                                        • 17. Re: How to filter in-camera-jpg´s only?
                                          Just Shoot Me Adobe Community Professional

                                          You can use the Filter Bar. If it isn't shown press the \ key to bring it up. Select the Metadata option. In the panel on the far left select Date from the heading drop down. Next panel select Camera in the heading drop down then if you like the lens in the third panel and in the last you select File Type. Set the first panel to All (xxx Dates). Select the camera you what to included. Then the lens all All. and in the last you select JPG.

                                          This will show you all JPG images created by your Fuji camera. The only problem is any JPG you created from any RAW image data from PS, Exporting in LR or C1 will also be displayed.

                                          If the File name was changed in some way when the JPG from one of those other programs or from the LR export you can use the Text section of the Filter Bar to filter out those. you can have more than one option selected at the Top of the Filter Bar. Just Text then set your options.

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                                          • 18. Re: How to filter in-camera-jpg´s only?
                                            LCAGE Level 1

                                            @trshaner

                                             

                                            Thank you! I just contacted John Ellis by email.

                                            • 19. Re: How to filter in-camera-jpg´s only?
                                              johnrellis Most Valuable Participant

                                              Here's an Any Filter query that should meet your needs. It will find all JPEGs containing no embedded ICC profile:

                                              JPEGs generated by cameras generally don't contain embedded profiles, whereas all JPEGs exported by LR do contain them.

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                                              • 20. Re: How to filter in-camera-jpg´s only?
                                                trshaner Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                Thanks John. I tried the above filter settings and it's pulling up both camera JPEGs and LR Export JPEGs. I couldn't find 'Filename ends with' filter item, but 'File Type' = JPEG works. This is with Any Filter v1.25 and Canon DSLR camera JPEG image files (5D MKII, 600D). What am I doing wrong?

                                                • 21. Re: How to filter in-camera-jpg´s only?
                                                  johnrellis Most Valuable Participant

                                                  Oops, I posted the wrong screenshot -- that one shows an earlier filter I tried, with a typo in the field name.  It should be ICC_Profile:ProfileDescription:

                                                   

                                                   

                                                  (The Filename criterion is under Library, though File Type works just as well.)

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                                                  • 22. Re: How to filter in-camera-jpg´s only?
                                                    trshaner Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                    Thanks John that works!

                                                     

                                                    I tried creating a separate search to find non-camera JPEG files with the same filter using 'doesn't contain.' It pulls up camera JPEGs same as the original filter. I also tried using 'isn't empty' as shown below, but it reverts to 'Date Time Original' and can't be changed to 'ICC_Profile:ProfileDescription.' Any ideas on what might work? Thanks again for your assistance!

                                                     

                                                    EDIT: I finally figured it out.....just use the  '!=' specifier (Not Equal).

                                                    • 23. Re: How to filter in-camera-jpg´s only?
                                                      johnrellis Most Valuable Participant

                                                      I tried creating a separate search to find non-camera JPEG files with the same filter using 'doesn't contain.' It pulls up camera JPEGs same as the original filter.

                                                      This is due to the way "contains" and "doesn't contain" handle missing values.  When a field is missing, "contains" will always return false, and "doesn't contain" will thus always return true.  (This mirrors the semantics of "contains" in smart collections.)

                                                       

                                                      To test if a field is not blank, use "!=" instead, e.g.

                                                       

                                                      I also tried using 'isn't empty' as shown below, but it reverts to 'Date Time Original' and can't be changed to 'ICC_Profile:ProfileDescription.'

                                                      Someone else reported that bug with ExifTool Field last week.  It will be fixed in the next release, thanks.

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                                                      • 24. Re: How to filter in-camera-jpg´s only?
                                                        trshaner Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                        John, thank you for your due diligence–This is very helpful.