By Elements, we'll assume you mean Premiere Elements (and not Photoshop Elements or the Elements Organizer) and, although you don't mention it, we'll also assume that your'e talking about version 15.
That said, remember that there are a number of factors that contribute to how high the quality of your YouTube post is including: The quality and resolution of your original video, how closely your project settings match your original footage, what your project settings are and (sort of beyond your control) what YouTube does to your video after you upload it.
You seem to be focusing on the output: The bitrate, etc. And that's only one link in this chain. In fact, it's one of the least important because, if you don't have the other factors in place, you can push bitrate all you want and you'll just end up with a bigger ugly file.
So my advice is to quit focusing so much on tweaking the output settings. The program's default settings are fine.
What model of camcorder is your original video coming from and what format and resolution is this video?
When you add the first clip of this footage to your timeline, is there a yellow-orange "render" line above it? If you see this line, then the program is not matching project settings to your video specs and your results will not be their best.
The rest of your workflow depends on this information.
The camera I use is a Canon 70D (I use the best settings for video) and the
resolution format I use is 1920 x 1080. Also, by reading this, I understand
that the bitrate is not very "editable," rather limited, correct? I can't
really increase to the recommended 10,000 kbps?
Also, I don't think I've ever seen a yellow-orange render above my
timeline. And one more thing, what is the best way to export for highest
quality videos to YouTube? When I export directly from Elements on Online
(YouTube), the video never turns out good to where I'd desire it. And to
continue, looking at the defaults in Devices, I see that the default is
fine, yes, but a few things need to be adjusted to go best with YouTube.
And that's my question, again. What is the best way to export for highest
quality video on YouTube? If, lets say, I don't want to directly upload
from Elements to YouTube, and I choose Devices, does that mean I have to
tweak the Audio Folder, and all the others? I'd rather get the closest
settings that YouTube requires.
On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Steve Grisetti <firstname.lastname@example.org>
What I'm saying is that there's really no reason to increase push the bitrate way off the charts. For two reasons:
1) What you get on YouTube is going to be re-encoded by YouTube to their streaming bitrate. So you're just uploading a much larger file and getting very little benefit from it; and
2) Pushing the bitrate is, as I explained earlier, the LEAST effective way to get a great-looking output.
I explained above what the more important elements of your workflow are.
But you'll have more control of the quality of your output if you output an MP4 from the program and manually upload to YouTube. If you use the direct upload method from the program, you'll only have so much control.
That said, if you want the best quality output, you need to know if your project settings are matching your video specs (If there was or was not a yellow orange "render" line over the first clip you added to your timeline). That's the single most important factor.
The only thing I saw was 'Target Bitrate' and 'Maximum Bitrate' with a scale to go up/down.
Set both to 10 and you will have the same effect.
I would set it at least to 16.
Higher max bitrate can improve max quality, but will take longer to encode.
If you dont edit, but just trim the footage you wont see any yellow bar.
I would just make a mp4 and upload manually.
Elements automatic upload settings are all wrong, imo.
Well, thank you for the information, I didn't know YouTube automaticly
places a bitrate to fit it its specifications when re-encoding. Now, you
did mention something about an MP4 output from the program and manually
uploading it to YouTube would result in having more control of the quality,
etc. and if it's not too much to ask for, how do I export as you've stated?
I'm very, very interested to know.
Also, thank you so much for the help/information, it really means a lot.
On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 8:02 PM, Steve Grisetti <email@example.com>
Anne Bens, if I were to set my "Target Bitrate" and "Maximium Bitrate" to 10 or/16, what does that mean? It's an odd question, but I'm just wondering if it refers to 10 kbps etc. Also, on all my Elements settings I have, should I set everything to max quality for the best quality video?
If you go to "Export & Share" and use "Quick Export" -- after you've done all of your PRE editing--your video will be saved as an .mp4 file, which you can upload to YouTube. (Just drag and drop it into YouTube.) I skip the rendering step in the editor since it will be done using the Export & Share. Once in YouTube, I use the Video Manager -> Enhancements and click Auto-fix and it takes care of the color and light. If I need to stabilize a picture, I also use the YouTube Enhancements -> Stabilize.
Everything else I do in PRE, but in a pinch I'd use the Trim enhancements as well.
Why? A long time ago when I was with the Flash Media Server group, I learned that much of the quality depended on the quirks the serving platform had, and YouTube has done a good job helping to iron out the quirks. It works for me, and so far I've had 28,000 views and 500+ subscribers. I use the built-in camera in my iMac and previously, that in my iPhone. Here's the link to my videos--keep in mind that I'm not a photographer, and while I code, I have no graphic design abilities whatsoever. WatchArtSci - YouTube
To output a file, just go to Export & Share/Devices/Computer and select the 1920x1080 resolution and the MP4 format for your output. The bitrate is 15 mbps, but you can move the slider up to 32 mpbs if you'd like. Though in my experience, it won't give you that much higher a quality output but it will increase the size of your file by about 250%.
As I've been saying, the default output settings for a 1920x1080 mp4 should work just fine for online viewing.
Assuming your project settings match your video specs, you'll get excellent upload quality in a nice, compact file, ideal for internet streaming.
Thank you Willieb, Anne Bens and Steve Grisetti! So I can get the bitrate to 10,000 kbps, which I'm very excited about. And I'll do the output a file you mentioned, Steve, to see how the quality looks. And I think I'll try Anne Bens too, but if you could tell if you were on the Devices Export and how you got there.
And once I test all your guys' methods, I'll tell you what I got and see if I like how it turned out. Also, quick question. On my Canon 70D, what should be my aspect ratio? Some people tell me 16:9, others 1:1, which I'm just bluntly confused on now. And same with if I should shoot Raw + Jpeg (CR2), or should I shoot only Jpeg. If you guys could answer that I would be ecstatic.
And also, I was thinking of getting FilmConvert (for color grading) but PRE doesn't really allow software's to come in. So that brings me to my question, is there any way I can get a somewhat pro software to color grade?
Thank you so much!
If you use the custom setting also bump the audio its way too low.
If you want to some serious color grading either get Premiere Pro or have a go at Resolve (free)
I would rather not have a go on Resolve, I had a few issues with them, which is why I got PRE. I just wish I would've known that PRE is limited in color grading, which really disappoints me. There's no way to "return" PRE 15, right?
Also, should I shoot in 16:9 aspect ratio and CR2.? Anyone know?
I now know that Elements is not the tool for proper color grading. However, if I did want to return Elements, I would not be able to do so, as I got Elements a few months back sadly. Continuing, though, software's such as FilmConvert exist which you have the ability to buy as a standalone, but because of the price ($150), I'm just going to do videos and if they go well, I'll just buy the Pro, which then I'll make the purchase of a good color grading software and be able to use it within Pro.
Now, my only question is this: on my camera, what should be my aspect ratio? AND, should I shoot in Raw (CR2)?
Also, thank you very much! That question above is the only question that is left unanswered for me, for quite some time now!
I always use raw for photo's (nikon)
Elements supports cr2 and nef but PrPro does not.
You can batch convert in Camera Raw.
Get your self the free Resolve. Steep learning curve but its worth it. Does an excellent job.
Btw you cannot buy PrPro its for rent only.
A lot has been discussed already about the concern on how to upload a video to YouTube while preserving the best quality; please ignore if it has already been answered. Premiere Elements actually creates a complete files before uploading to YouTube and YouTube or any such platforms (facebook, Vimeo etc.) then re-encodes that movie file at their end. We can't control anything there. What we can do is to send a file with best possible quality. And inside Premiere Elements, for YouTube's 1920x1080 preset there are 2 bitrates, 10 Mbps and 20 Mps. I guess, somewhere in the thread, Steve has already mentioned that increasing bitrate above a certain threshold does not increase the quality of the video, but does increase the file size. Basically, increasing the bitrate beyond the source clip bitrate will not result in better quality output. But, reducing the bitrate below source bitrate will definitely result in reduced file-size with some compromise with the video quality. This too depends on the subject and contents of the video.
Also, regarding Target and Maximum Bitrate, Target is what is honored while exporting and Maximum is like giving some extra bandwidth if required to algorithm. You can't set Maximum below Target, it can only go beyond Target value.
So, use 1920x1080(either Standard=10Mbps or High=20 Mbps quality) preset when uploading a video to YouTube and if it does not look good finally, you can use Custom/Advanced settings and see how the output video playsw locally and who is the ultimate culprit.
I would like to comment on the Youtube (and FB/Vimeo) upload.
especially the automatic upload feature they are all wrong.
Bitrate, framerate and audio settings.
This is not the first time I am mentioning this...
Bitrates, framerates tied to any of the Presets are supposed to work fine and if something is not working as designed then there is a bug. I guess you are talking about the choice of presets shown for YouTube/Facebook/Vimeo which does not cover other important presets such as corresponding to PAL ones. If this is the case, then we are evaluating this for the next version of the product and I can't promise but we will do something to handle that problem.
Yes I am reffering to PAL but NTSC is wrong too.
They probably work as designed but that is the whole point: they are designed wrongly.
NTSC: 1920x1080 framerate 29,97, 1080x1440 framerate 24, 640x480 framerate 30. Audio bitrate all set way too loo and 44 khz. Really?
No one really answered my question on if I should shoot in aspect ratio 16:9 on my Canon 70D, and if I should shoot in Jpeg or CR2. I really gotta know, because I gotta start recording soon. And this is for YouTube, so if anyone could answer this question (that I've been questioning for weeks and weeks...) I need to know for highest quality possible.
You should shoot in the aspect ratio of the video project you're going to use your photos in. If you're shooting in a 16:9 project, then you might as well shoot your photos in 16:9 to fill the frame. (I assume by "shoot" you mean shoot photos, right?)
As for JPEG or Camera RAW, I'm sure as a photographer you know the advantages of each. RAW photos can not, of course, be used in a Premiere Elements project. They'll need to be exported from Photoshop Elements' RAW editor into a photo format -- which might as well be JPEG. So whether or not you shoot in RAW depends on how much RAW editing you plan to do once you've taken the picture.
Steve Grisetti wrote:
...... RAW photos can not, of course, be used in a Premiere Elements project. They'll need to be exported from Photoshop Elements' RAW editor into a photo format -- which might as well be JPEG. ....
With due respect, Premiere Elements incorporates Adobe Camera Raw (ACR) data in some way that allows RAW photo files to be imported without any pre-processing. You don't see the same slider interface as you see when you open a RAW file in Photoshop Elements or Photoshop, but RAW files can be brought into any PrE project through the standard Add Media routine.
Below is a screenshot. Note that ".RW2" is the file extension for Panasonic's version of RAW.
I would shoot raw (which Elements supports) in 3:2. (I can import Nikon NEF files) Which is highest quality and best to color correct.
I would never take pictures in 16:9 (only if they are intended just for a particular video and nothing else)
3:2 will give you more latitude to frame.
On a side note: do a test run. Shoot raw, jpeg, 16/9 and 3/2 and see what YOU like best to work with.
Upload to YT and see how it looks.
Thank you, Bill! I didn't know that!
That said, I still think the OP is overthinking this. You can only squeeze so much juice out of a YouTube upload. But I sure appreciate Ann's contribution!
Steve Grisetti wrote:b
..... I still think the OP is overthinking this. You can only squeeze so much juice out of a YouTube upload. ...
Agreed. My habit has been to make my output close to my source input then upload to YouTube or, more often, Vimeo. Both are very good at getting right on their end. The same output is also "right" for my TV.
To everyone who replied above, thank you! But I think there is a misunderstanding.
I forgot to specify that I'm asking if I should shoot in Raw + Jpeg (CR2.) and if I should shoot in 16:9 for video, which all of you thought I was talking about photos, which is all my fault. If someone could answer this, I would be extremely appreciative.
Thank you so much to everyone who's been helping, it really means a lot!
I'm confused. RAW+JPEG is a photo file specification. 16:9 is an aspect ratio that matches TVs. Your video clips can be in that aspect ratio, with a variety of quality settings and a couple file formats. RAW photos will be full size and of their own aspect ration, depending on the camera. JPEGs can have the 16:9 aspect ration from the camera. All photos can be cropped to 16:9 both before and after they are in Premiere Elements.
What are you making for YouTube? Is it a video from video clips? Is it a slideshow from photo files? Is it a mixed media project with both?
Yes what are you shooting photo's or video?
I was under the impression they were photo's for a videoproject.
If you are shooting video you need to get out your manually and start reading and testing the camera before taking on a shoot.
This is for video, I want to upload videos to YouTube, obviously... I'll re-state my question once more: on my DSLR (Canon 70D), should my aspect ratio be 16:9? And my second question is this: for video, for YouTube, should I record in CR2 or Jpeg? That's all I'm asking.
I really hope someone can answer these two questions, as this would help me a lot.
If your shooting video then get out the manual and go to the section: shooting video or movie.
If you are shooting video its something like H.264 in a mp4 or mov container.
I dont know the camera but I would say 16;9 is your only option for video.
CR2 (which is RAW) and jpeg are photo formats.
To make things more complicated: you can use photo's to produce a movie such as timelaps. You take a photos at a certain interval.
I'll shoot in the aspect ratio 16:9, and on the format, I'll just simply shoot in Jpeg format, or whatever else I may come upon which suits video right. But 16:9 for sure.
Anyways, thank you to everyone for the help! Extremely appreciated!
I have almost identical camera 80D.
I mix stills(HDR, animations, time-lapse etc) and video sequences, and for stills I use 16:9 cropping of the always 3:2 in camera.
I use Digital Photo Professional which comes with Canon cameras, and is excellent for all kinds for organizing and processing of stills even in batch.
If you did not use it - download from Canon site - really excellent for so many things, lens corrections, white balance changes and more - all available if shooting raw.
RAW CR2 in Canon is enough for stills, and opening photos in DPP will show a cropping rectangle for 16:9 if you want that for photos as well. I think it's cool with time-lapse, and do a freeze over to HDR images and such - and having the same aspect looks really good.
Export raw from DPP in 8-bit TIF for purpose of import stills, and they are cropped and much smaller than raw which is heavy to handle in the video editor.
I really recommend you use memory cards that are fast - rated 90 Mbps class 10 U3 V30 - that will secure that even using MOV container format with ALL-I type of format can write successfully. It will as well be good for shooting continuous stills write the buffer fast for next sequence. If shooting with exposure brackering(AEB) and maybe even combined with white balance variation - each shot can generate a dozen images on disc and a fast memory card is really worth it.
I figured the perfect export, how to export for great quality videos onto YouTube (by doing test recordings, etc.) and I recently just did a shoot that I now have to edit, but I noticed that, as Steve Grisetti warned, the "orange render line" above, it has appeared for me. And I have no clue why. I recorded 1920x1080, and everything should match, but since I got the render line, it suggests otherwise? Does anyone know why?
And thank you so much for the help on how to export, I've found that Export&Share/Devices/Computer or Export&Share/Devices/Custom work amazing, and I think I prefer custom as I see the slightest of slightest difference in quality. But extremely, extremely hard to tell.
Again, thank you, thank you, thank you. To everyone. I really appreciate it. Hope my question will be answered soon!
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In short, the orange line shows up when your project settings don't match your material or you've made creative edits including adjustments, effects, transitions, fades, etc.
Premier Elements uses a two render system. The first is for preview during editing. The second is for creating the final output.
The preview rendering is done in "real time" by making preview files that play to the specifications of your project settings. Normally the project settings are created automatically when you put your first clip on the timeline. If that first clip is not typical of the rest of your material, the orange line shows up to tell you that the preview files may need renewing to match whatever automatic project settings that were created. In other words, the orange line shows up when your source material does not match the project settings.
The orange line also shows up when you start making creative edits including adjustments, transitions, effects, etc.
Do you have to render every time the orange line shows up? No. It is only telling you that you might have to render to achieve smooth flowing previews. If you computer is strong enough, it may play smoothly without rendering.
The second rendering is done at output. All your project work is re-coded or rendered from scratch. That means that all of the source files are re-read according to the editing instructions you created during editing. The preview renders that may or may not have an orange line are ignored. That's why output files may play better than what you see during editing.
Okay, so if I'm not mistaken, the orange render line above appears because 1) it may not match with source or 2) I did a transition, etc.? And how do I render on Elements?
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Okay, I rendered and the once "orange" render line above turned green, is this good? I'm assuming the orange render line appeared above that specific cut because I added an effect to it (which I did). That being said, this means all my footage matches the settings, and that green means it's all good. If this is not the case, could you explain why this happened? And how can I know if the footage doesn't match the settings?
Thank you so much!
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Green is good! And, yes, it will normally change to orange when you add an effect.
Don't get too concerned. The orange line does not harm the video. It only means that the automatic previews generated in the background might not run as smoothly as they could while you are editing.
You are not editing the "real" original footage. You are editing preview copies, sometimes called proxies, of the originals. This is "non-destructive" and a good thing because your originals remain safe for any future projects or if something goes wrong with the one you are working on.
To see the project settings, on the Menu bar, use Edit > Project Settings > General. You'll see a screen that tells you what they are. Under normal conditions, the numbers on that screen will match the first clip you put on the timeline. If all the media on the timeline after the first clip come from the same camera with the same settings you should never see an orange render line.
If you do see an orange render line, it is because you've added media that does not match. Then you do the "render" thing and the preview "proxy" files are fixed. I think the official word is "conformed" to match the project.
At final output you can have orange bars all over the place. If you are happy with the editing process and the previews are playing smoothly, all is well. When you execute the final output process all the original files are re-read and "rendered" to the specification of the final output. Within the project file you've created is a road map of what, where and how to read the original files to make an entirely new file that should look at least as good, but probably better than what you see when editing with the previews.
Good luck with your learning curve! Video editing is a lot of fun even though the inner workings are complex.