31 Replies Latest reply on Feb 14, 2017 4:59 PM by trshaner

    Lr5 shows wrong color for imported sRGB photos

    martin-a

      I have Windows 7 x64 SP1 Home Premium, Lightroom (Lr) 5.7.1, camera Lumix TZ7 (Panasonic DMC-TZ7).
      Camera takes photos in sRGB. I installed Lr5 to try it.

      I imported photos and after editing and export (to sRGB), I found out that colors are different in other programs.

       

      I 've read some forums/articles to find solution. I re-calibrate monitor w/ Spyder3 and created new monitor color profile.

      Colors in Lr5 changed a little bit but still big difference w/ other SW.

      I use usually SW for photos: Gimp 2.8.18, DPP 4.4.30.2 (Digital Photo Professional 4, Canon)

      All my SW is set to work in sRGB color space and until Lr5 I have no issue w/ colors. Exported photos looks ok on all devices.

       

      What I'm doing wrong or is there bug in Lr5?

      [Pic. left: Lr5, right: Gimp]

      issue.Lr5.compare.Gimp-754.jpg

        • 1. Re: Lr5 shows wrong color for imported sRGB photos
          JimHess Adobe Community Professional & MVP

          Lightroom works in a wider color space, more like Prophoto. This could be one contributing factor. What other software are you using besides Gimp to look at your images?

          • 2. Re: Lr5 shows wrong color for imported sRGB photos
            Jao vdL Adobe Community Professional & MVP

            It's highly unlikely that LR is showing you the wrong thing. Are you sure gimp is set up to color manage correctly? If I remember correctly from years ago, you have to actually point it to the correct icc profile for your monitor.

            • 3. Re: Lr5 shows wrong color for imported sRGB photos
              Brad Polt-Jones Adobe Community Professional

              Another possibility is experimenting with Camera Calibration profile in Lightroom. This can have a big impact on perceived color. The Camera Calibration panel is at the bottom of the Develop Module. If it is currently set to Adobe Standard, then try changing it to Camera Standard see if that helps.  This only impacts the color seen on the screen while in Lightroom.

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              • 4. Re: Lr5 shows wrong color for imported sRGB photos
                martin-a Level 1

                There is only 1 option: Profile: Embedded. What does it mean?

                 

                issue.Lr5.Profile-Embedded.jpg

                • 5. Re: Lr5 shows wrong color for imported sRGB photos
                  martin-a Level 1

                  I already said: DPP4. And some non-color managed viewers like XnView.

                  • 6. Re: Lr5 shows wrong color for imported sRGB photos
                    JimHess Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                    It means that you are probably looking at a JPEG file. The JPEG file will  have the profile "embedded" that was chosen in the camera. That doesn't happen with raw images.

                    • 7. Re: Lr5 shows wrong color for imported sRGB photos
                      martin-a Level 1

                      Hmm, you can check forums here or google to see how many issues are w/ colors in Lr or Ps.
                      I changed my color profile for monitor - I used Spyder3 for it. (as I already noted).

                      • 8. Re: Lr5 shows wrong color for imported sRGB photos
                        martin-a Level 1

                        JimHess  napsal(a):

                         

                        It means that you are probably looking at a JPEG file. The JPEG file will have the profile "embedded" that was chosen in the camera. That doesn't happen with raw images.

                        Yes, my camera makes JPEG files. I want to use Lr for them. I guess it's possible. Lr supports JPEG files as input, doesn't it?

                        • 9. Re: Lr5 shows wrong color for imported sRGB photos
                          JimHess Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                          I'm not sure what your question is, really. Of course Lightroom imports and allows you to work on JPEG images. It's just that most people find they are able to obtain better results by shooting raw because there are other controls available that are not available when shooting JPEG. Specifically, there is no ability to choose different camera profiles when shooting JPEG images. And there is greater capability to recover highlights and shadows in raw images.

                          • 10. Re: Lr5 shows wrong color for imported sRGB photos
                            Per Berntsen Adobe Community Professional

                            martin-a wrote:

                             

                            I changed my color profile for monitor - I used Spyder3 for it

                            Is there an option in the Spyder software where you can choose either creating a version 2 or version 4 ICC profile ?

                            Lightoom has a problem with version 4 profiles, so if you used that option, recalibrate using version 2,

                            • 11. Re: Lr5 shows wrong color for imported sRGB photos
                              martin-a Level 1

                              Per Berntsen  napsal(a):

                               

                              martin-a wrote:

                               

                              I changed my color profile for monitor - I used Spyder3 for it

                              Is there an option in the Spyder software where you can choose either creating a version 2 or version 4 ICC profile ?

                              Lightoom has a problem with version 4 profiles, so if you used that option, recalibrate using version 2,

                              How to check ver of ICC profile? I ran the sw once only , I don't know if it can show ver of icc.

                              • 12. Re: Lr5 shows wrong color for imported sRGB photos
                                Jao vdL Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                DPP, xnview and gimp do not by default color manage using your display profile. So they will not show you the correct color. You have to turn it on in their preferences.

                                • 13. Re: Lr5 shows wrong color for imported sRGB photos
                                  martin-a Level 1

                                  Jao vdL  napsal(a):

                                   

                                  DPP, xnview and gimp do not by default color manage using your display profile. So they will not show you the correct color. You have to turn it on in their preferences.

                                  Gimp and DPP are set to use color profiles (in pref), they are color managed sw. XnView probably isn't, so let's skip it.

                                  • 14. Re: Lr5 shows wrong color for imported sRGB photos
                                    martin-a Level 1

                                    Is there an option in the Spyder software where you can choose either creating a version 2 or version 4 ICC profile ?

                                    Lightoom has a problem with version 4 profiles, so if you used that option, recalibrate using version 2,

                                    How to check ver of ICC profile? I ran the sw once only , I don't know if it can show ver of icc.

                                    It's probably ver 2.4 (0x2400000)

                                    • 15. Re: Lr5 shows wrong color for imported sRGB photos
                                      martin-a Level 1

                                      May I ask someone from Adobe to review my question?

                                      • 16. Re: Lr5 shows wrong color for imported sRGB photos
                                        Per Berntsen Adobe Community Professional

                                        The icc version number will be an option in the calibration process, so to find out, you would have to recalibrate.

                                        Also follow the advice given by jao vdL and make sure color management is enabled in the apps you use.

                                        • 17. Re: Lr5 shows wrong color for imported sRGB photos
                                          martin-a Level 1

                                          Per Berntsen  napsal(a):

                                           

                                          The icc version number will be an option in the calibration process, so to find out, you would have to recalibrate.

                                          Also follow the advice given by jao vdL and make sure color management is enabled in the apps you use.

                                          I cannot re-run calibration, I had to return hw for calibration. But I would say it's ver 2.4. If it's critical, pls tell me how to check ICC ver? I used ICC Profile Inspector and it says 0x240000. (that's way I think it's 2.4).
                                          I already answered reg. my Gimp and DPP, both are set to use color management.

                                          Could be issue w/ how Lr read embedded profile in my jpg photos?

                                          • 18. Re: Lr5 shows wrong color for imported sRGB photos
                                            Per Berntsen Adobe Community Professional

                                            I'm not familiar with the ICC Profile Inspector, but I think ICC profiles are either version 2.2 or 4.2 (although I could be wrong).

                                            But to establish whether there's a problem with your monitor profile or not, try setting it to sRGB (or Adobe RGB if you have a wide gamut monitor). If this fixes the problem, the monitor profile is defective (or the wrong version).

                                             

                                            Go to Control Panel > Color management.

                                            Add the sRGB profile, then set it as Default profile. See screenshot below.

                                             

                                            • 19. Re: Lr5 shows wrong color for imported sRGB photos
                                              martin-a Level 1

                                              Per Berntsen  napsal(a):

                                               

                                              I'm not familiar with the ICC Profile Inspector, but I think ICC profiles are either version 2.2 or 4.2 (although I could be wrong).

                                              But to establish whether there's a problem with your monitor profile or not, try setting it to sRGB (or Adobe RGB if you have a wide gamut monitor). If this fixes the problem, the monitor profile is defective (or the wrong version).

                                               

                                              Go to Control Panel > Color management.

                                              Add the sRGB profile, then set it as Default profile. See screenshot below.

                                               

                                              Yes, I did it.

                                              issue.Lr5.sRGB.space.for.monitor-2.jpg

                                              Now, the colors are different than before but the same in Lr and Gimp.
                                              issue.Lr5.sRGB.space.for.monitor-Lr.vs.Gimp.jpg

                                              I have already tried this excercise, so I know this not last step. What now?

                                              • 20. Re: Lr5 shows wrong color for imported sRGB photos
                                                Per Berntsen Adobe Community Professional

                                                Now, the colors are different than before but the same in Lr and Gimp.

                                                This means that the monitor profile was either corrupted/defective, or it was a version 4 profile, which LR doesn't like.

                                                As far as I know, the older Spyders don't have a good reputation, so if I were you, I'd buy a new calibrator, and make sure to use a version 2 profile.

                                                 

                                                Until then, I would use the sRGB profile.

                                                From what I can tell, your monitor is somewhere between standard gamut and wide gamut, so using sRGB should be OK, and the colors that you now see should be close to correct.

                                                If your photos in LR now look wrong, you have to edit them so that they look right.

                                                • 21. Re: Lr5 shows wrong color for imported sRGB photos
                                                  trshaner Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                  martin-a wrote:

                                                   

                                                  Now, the colors are different than before but the same in Lr and Gimp.
                                                  issue.Lr5.sRGB.space.for.monitor-Lr.vs.Gimp.jpg

                                                  I have already tried this excercise, so I know this not last step. What now?

                                                  You've confirmed there is a compatibility issue with the Spyder 3 display profile and LR. The next step is to check the Spyder 3 calibrration software Preferences for Profile Type. Select 'Matrix' (not LUT) and ICC v2 (not v4). You may need to go into the Advanced mode or whatever Datacolor calls it. If these settings are not available I suggest checking the Datacolor website for the later version of the software and install it. If the issue persists then your only option is to use the sRGB profile (not the vest choice) or purchase a newer monitor calibrator.

                                                  • 22. Re: Lr5 shows wrong color for imported sRGB photos
                                                    martin-a Level 1

                                                    trshaner  napsal(a):

                                                     

                                                    martin-a wrote:

                                                     

                                                    Now, the colors are different than before but the same in Lr and Gimp.

                                                    I have already tried this excercise, so I know this not last step. What now?

                                                    You've confirmed there is a compatibility issue with the Spyder 3 display profile and LR. The next step is to check the Spyder 3 calibrration software Preferences for Profile Type. Select 'Matrix' (not LUT) and ICC v2 (not v4). You may need to go into the Advanced mode or whatever Datacolor calls it. If these settings are not available I suggest checking the Datacolor website for the later version of the software and install it. If the issue persists then your only option is to use the sRGB profile (not the vest choice) or purchase a newer monitor calibrator.

                                                    That looks like useful info. Thanks.
                                                    I can run only SW part of Spyder3 - I found that default (my profile) is ver 2.0.
                                                    There is nothing like Matrix/LUT in setting, there is only:

                                                       Chromatic Adaption mode: Bradford (or XYZ Scaling) - any idea if this is Matrix? I have read some articles and it should be. (source:  ICC Profile Conversion Intents )

                                                     

                                                    Maybe I will try to get newer calibrator. Or use some sw-only calibration. The goal is 2.0-Matrix icc. The exact colors are not important in this step, just to check if Lr will be happy w/ such icc.

                                                    • 23. Re: Lr5 shows wrong color for imported sRGB photos
                                                      martin-a Level 1

                                                      I need to go back to Spyder/DELL profile until I have new 2.0-Matrix icc. (DELL is my original profile)
                                                      Currently I use DPP4 for jpg photos but it has very few features for jpg (than for raw), so I'm looking for replacement for jpg photos. If not icc issue fixed, I cannot use Lr. 17 days remain for testing.

                                                      • 24. Re: Lr5 shows wrong color for imported sRGB photos
                                                        martin-a Level 1

                                                        Would be helpful to upg to Lr6 ?

                                                        • 25. Re: Lr5 shows wrong color for imported sRGB photos
                                                          trshaner Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                          martin-a wrote:


                                                          There is nothing like Matrix/LUT in setting, there is only:

                                                          Chromatic Adaption mode: Bradford (or XYZ Scaling) - any idea if this is Matrix? I have read some articles and it should be. (source: ICC Profile Conversion Intents )

                                                          I suggest first downloading and installing the latest calibration software available for your specific Spyder 3 model: Knowledgebase - Powered by Kayako http://support.datacolor.com/index.php? Help Desk Software

                                                           

                                                          Next create two display profiles. One with Bradford setting and one with XYZ Scaling and try both. When you change the default display profile in Windows Color Management make sure to close and reopen LR to load the newly assigned display profile.

                                                          • 26. Re: Lr5 shows wrong color for imported sRGB photos
                                                            Per Berntsen Adobe Community Professional

                                                            martin-a wrote:

                                                             

                                                            I need to go back to Spyder/DELL profile until I have new 2.0-Matrix icc. (DELL is my original profile)

                                                            I get the impression that you borrowed the Spyder from someone, and had to return it.

                                                            Until you can recalibrate with upgraded software and/or a new calibrator, stick with sRGB, it shoudn't be far off.

                                                            It's much better to have a known, good profile that roughly matches your screens' color gamut than a calibration profile that there is clearly something wrong with.

                                                             

                                                            Would be helpful to upg to Lr6 ?

                                                            No, it wouldn't make any difference whatsoever. The problem is the monitor profile, not Lightroom.

                                                            • 27. Re: Lr5 shows wrong color for imported sRGB photos
                                                              martin-a Level 1

                                                              Hi all,

                                                              I would like to say thanks to all who answered me. But we don't have right answer yet.

                                                              We just tried RGB color space. And I don't have access to HW calibration now. And I suppose, Adobe doesn't expect that all users have it. So, I have question which I hope will help me fix my issue.

                                                               

                                                              How to create good icc file for my monitor Dell 2407WFP-HC ? Such good that Lr5 will work good w/ it.

                                                               

                                                              Does Adobe can help me w/ that?

                                                               

                                                              Thanks,

                                                              Martin

                                                              • 28. Re: Lr5 shows wrong color for imported sRGB photos
                                                                Per Berntsen Adobe Community Professional

                                                                martin-a wrote:

                                                                 

                                                                We just tried RGB color space. And I don't have access to HW calibration now. And I suppose, Adobe doesn't expect that all users have it. So, I have question which I hope will help me fix my issue.

                                                                 

                                                                How to create good icc file for my monitor Dell 2407WFP-HC ? Such good that Lr5 will work good w/ it.

                                                                The only way to create a custom profile for your monitor is by hardware calibration.

                                                                If that's not possible, use sRGB - it's a known, good profile, and reasonably close to your monitor's color gamut.

                                                                You may be concerned that your photos now look different in LR, but you should trust the sRGB profile, and re-edit the photos if necessary.

                                                                • 29. Re: Lr5 shows wrong color for imported sRGB photos
                                                                  trshaner Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                                  Your standard gamut monitor is close to sRGB gamut. If the sRGB color profile is working then you can use it for now with good results until a monitor calibrator can be obtained.

                                                                   

                                                                  EDIT

                                                                  I  just checked the Dell 2407WFP-HC specifications at TFT Central and its gamut is closer to the Adobe RGB color profile (90%). You will need to assign the Adobe RGB color profile and NOT sRGB for the best color match.

                                                                   

                                                                  Dell 2407WFP-HC Review

                                                                   

                                                                  Another option is to download the ICM color profile available on the TFT Central website. This is a profile is created using a monitor calibrator and It may provide slightly more accurate results. You'll find it in the list with instructions on how to install it here.

                                                                   

                                                                  ICC Profiles and Monitor Settings Database

                                                                   

                                                                  http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/icc_profiles/dell_2407wfp_hc.icm

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                                                                  • 30. Re: Lr5 shows wrong color for imported sRGB photos
                                                                    martin-a Level 1

                                                                    trshaner   napsal(a)

                                                                    Another option is to download the ICM color profile available on the TFT Central website. This is a profile is created using a monitor calibrator and It may provide slightly more accurate results. You'll find it in the list with instructions on how to install it here.

                                                                     

                                                                    ICC Profiles and Monitor Settings Database

                                                                     

                                                                    http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/icc_profiles/dell_2407wfp_hc.icm

                                                                    Hi trshaner,

                                                                    I found this web too and downloaded this profile and tried it at begin of my story, but... hmm, I don't remeber why but it didn't help that time.

                                                                    So today I just switch to it (it's already on the list in Color management ) and Lr5 and Gimp and DPP4 show the same colors.

                                                                    Also I exported photo (w/o any editing) to sRGB and it looks the same! Great!

                                                                    You can see it on attached pic. (the colors are different than on very original post but it's due to *no editing* is in the photo now.

                                                                    So, 4 days before trial period expired - issue solved.

                                                                    Thanks a lot, Mr. trshaner.

                                                                     

                                                                    [pic: from left to right: Lr5, Gimp, DPP4 ]

                                                                    issue.Lr5.icc-tftcentral.jpg

                                                                    Have a nice day,

                                                                    Martin

                                                                    • 31. Re: Lr5 shows wrong color for imported sRGB photos
                                                                      trshaner Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                                      Looks good–Glad that resolved the issue!

                                                                       

                                                                      Keep in mind that your Dell 2407WFP-HC monitor is wide-gamut and will only display images correctly in applications that are fully color-managed and properly setup to use the monitor profile. Some picture viewers and most browsers do not use the monitor profile and will display images with incorrect color rendering. Some more information here: WIDE GAMUT ADOBE RGB LCD Monitors Screens Troubleshooting Over Saturated sRGB Color Reviews on the Web Tutorial

                                                                       

                                                                      Happy Lightrooming–Enjoy!