5 Replies Latest reply on Mar 1, 2017 5:03 PM by Dr_Usual

    .0625 shift when printing, again...


      I know this topic has come up before; I've walked through a dozen threads on it, but I'm still not convinced that the "acceptable margin for error on your printer" is the answer.  Quick walk-through:


      1. Printing playing cards, two rows of four on 8.5x11 paper.  I have one document for the fronts, one for the back.
      2. I'm not having the printer print double sided -- I print one side, feed the paper back through to print the other side.
      3. I printed hundreds of sheets like this over the past three months while prototyping a game.  The front and back aligned every time with such a small margin for error that it was unnoticeable when the cards were cut out.
      4. Installed InDesign on a new laptop and can't get a single front and back aligned now.  This includes files that I produced on the old machine which previously lined up perfectly.
      5. It's incredibly consistent -- there's an additional .0625 inch to the right margin on the landscaped pages.  And it's .0625 every time.  Someone made the comment that if you print front/back 10 times you'll get 8 variations.  Point taken, but not happening here.  The change is extremely consistent.


      It seems like I must have a setting in InDesign adding that extra bit of margin to both new and old documents at print time, but I can't find it anywhere.  Copying my print profile summary below and would certainly appreciate any guesses or insights that people have to offer.


      Print Preset: 8 Card Spread
      Printer: HPFD7EB5 (HP ENVY 4500 series)
      PPD: N/A
      PPD File: N/A

          Copies: 1
          Collate: N/A
          Reverse Order: Off
          Pages: All
          Sequence: All Pages
          Spreads: Off
          Print Master Pages: Off
          Print Layers: Visible & Printable Layers
          Print Non-printing Objects: Off
          Print Blank Pages: Off
          Print Visible Guides and Baseline Grids: Off

          Paper Size: Letter
          Paper Width: 8.5 in
          Paper Height: 11 in
          Page Orientation: Landscape
          Paper Offset: N/A
          Paper Gap: N/A
          Transverse: N/A
          Scaling: 100%
          Constrain Proportions: On
          Page Position: Centered
          Thumbnails: Off
          Tiling: Off

      Marks and Bleed
          Crop Marks: Off
          Bleed Marks: Off
          Registration Marks: Off
          Color Bars: Off
          Page Information: Off
          Printer Mark Type: Default
          Crop Mark Weight: 0.25 pt
          Mark Offset from Page: 0 in
          Use Document Bleed Settings: Off
          Bleed Top: 0 in
          Bleed Bottom: 0 in
          Bleed Left: 0 in
          Bleed Right: 0 in
          Include Slug Area: Off

          Color: Composite RGB
          Text As Black: Off
          Trapping: N/A
          Flip: N/A
          Negative: N/A
          Screening: N/A
          Simulate Overprint: Off

          Send Data: Optimized Subsampling
          Download: N/A
          Download PPD Fonts: N/A
          PostScript®: N/A
          Data Format: N/A

      Color Management
          Document Profile: sRGB IEC61966-2.1
          Color Handling: Let InDesign Determine Colors
          Printer Profile: Document RGB - sRGB IEC61966-2.1
          Preserve RGB Numbers: Off
          Proof Profile: N/A
          Simulate Paper Color: N/A

          Print &as Bitmap: Off
          Bitmap Resolution: N/A
          OPI Image Replacement: N/A
          EPS: N/A
          PDF: N/A
          Bitmap Images: N/A
          Transparency Flattener Preset: [Medium Resolution]
          Ignore Spread Overrides: Off

        • 1. Re: .0625 shift when printing, again...
          Eric Dumas Adobe Community Professional

          Hi, just to make sure, the whole design on the page is always offset by the same amount.

          Has your content in InDesign moved somehow?

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          • 2. Re: .0625 shift when printing, again...
            Jeffrey_Smith Most Valuable Participant

            Your printer summary shows no PPD, do you have the proper PPDs installed for this printer?

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            • 3. Re: .0625 shift when printing, again...
              Dr_Usual Level 1

              Nope, I double checked that -- everything's lined up the same in the InDesign doc.  It's easy to check, since they're standard playing card size at 2.5" x 3.5".  Also, I have fourteen different files that lay out different decks/backs via data merge.  Wouldn't totally discount the idea that I could somehow bump each of them, but it's more likely a setting that I tweaked (or didn't tweak) globally.



              • 4. Re: .0625 shift when printing, again...
                Dr_Usual Level 1

                Ah, that could be it.  It's a brand new laptop and it auto-detected the printer on the network, so it's possible that I had a specific driver installed on my old laptop and a generic one on this machine.  I'll give that a try this morning.  Thanks!

                • 5. Re: .0625 shift when printing, again...
                  Dr_Usual Level 1

                  So, some interesting results after experimentation.  Although I was never able to get PPD to show up in the selection in Adobe, I did finally get the print to align again. 


                  First, I re-installed InDesign on my old laptop and moved the files over there.  Printed -- and everything lined up perfectly.  The only difference in setup is that the old laptop had a much older driver for my HP printer.  I wasn't able to find the driver file to install on the new laptop, though; I could only get a more current driver, and never fixed that shift.


                  Next thing, I found that when I exported the pages to PDF and printed on either machine, the two sides lined up perfectly again.  I don't know what the explanation is here.  Print the document directly from InDesign and got that shifting effect.  Printed from PDF, worked fine.


                  Finally, I got a new Brother printer.  (I was looking for one that had a lot better ink efficiency since I'm printing a lot of card prototypes.)  Installed the base driver on the new laptop, the two sides are aligning great whether I print from InDesign or PDF.


                  TLDR; my problem appears to have been solved, though I can't say that I actually solved it.