12 Replies Latest reply on Feb 23, 2017 7:08 AM by skybluenova

    Images in Library and Development module look different

    skybluenova Level 1

      Hello all,

       

      I know a kinda similar question has been asked a while ago. Still, I think that I do have quite different issues.

       

      First of all, I have a brand new installation of Lightroom, version 2015.8

       

      I imported a PNG file into Lr (camera: Pentax K-S1) and enhanced the image a bit. What I got is this:

       

      Lr LibraryVsDevelopment.png

       

      That's quite a huge difference, isn't it? I have a feeling that some of the development settings are taken over to the library module, and some are not.

       

      Contrary to this thread: Lightroom Library / Develop Modules Look Different , when I export the image it looks as it should, namely like it looks like in the Development Module.

       

      To make things more confusing: If I use the "second window" button, depending on which monitor I drag the window onto, it suddenly changes its look between Library Module image and Development Module image, as you can see here:

       

      capture_003_22022017_121831.jpg

       

      The second window is placed a little bit more on the left screen. When I drag the second window a few pixels to the right screen,

      it changes its look suddenly to this:

       

      capture_002_22022017_1218001.jpg

       

      Just to make this clear beforehand, both monitors are exactly the same type, colorspace etc. And any differences still would not explain the obvious differences between Library and Development Module.

       

      Can anybody tell how I could remedy those issues?
      If you need more information, I will gladly provide any help.

       

      Best,

       

      Dennis

        • 1. Re: Images in Library and Development module look different
          skybluenova Level 1

          I have just discovered that, if I use Lr completely on the right monitor, all Modules look the same as they should.

          That's interesting, but how can this be? I would understand if the modules would look different on different monitors, I don't have a professional setup here. But if using the left monitor the behavior is as described above, if using the right monitor all is as it should be.

           

          Left monitor:

          Leftmon.PNG

           

          Right monitor:

          Rightmon.PNG

           

          Is it possible that Lightroom is assuming different color spaces for it's Modules? The Library module has the color space of the left monitor, and the Development module has the color space of the right monitor? Very strange, indeed.

           

          Any ideas?

          • 2. Re: Images in Library and Development module look different
            skybluenova Level 1

            After some fiddling, I figured out that the color profile of the right monitor has been reset to its default setting.

             

            As soon as I did set both monitors to the same color profile (sRGB), Lr works as expected.

             

            So the solution is: If using a multi-monitor setup, make sure to check your color profile settings twice

             

            (I still do not understand why, on the same monitor with the other one deactiveted, Library and Development Module looked different. Seems more like a bug to me than any feature I could imagine)

            • 3. Re: Images in Library and Development module look different
              Per Berntsen Adobe Community Professional

              You have a defective monitor profile, probably for both monitors. Although the right monitor may display the image correctly, the yellow histogram is a clear indication of a bad profile. The histogram should be a neutral gray.

              The monitor profile is served to Lightroom by the OS, so this is a Windows problem.

               

              As a (temporary) fix, you can set the monitor profile to sRGB (Adobe RGB for wide gamut monitors).

              Press the Windows key + R, type colorcpl in the box and press Enter.

              Set the profile to sRGB (or Adobe RGB, it the monitor is wide gamut) as shown in the screenshots below. Make sure to check Use my settings for this device.

              Then repeat for the other monitor.

              You should now ideally calibrate both monitors with a hardware calibrator, although sRGB/Adobe RGB may be good enough, depending on your requirements.

               

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              • 4. Re: Images in Library and Development module look different
                skybluenova Level 1

                Thank you Per, that's exactly what I did now. Still, I do not understand why on the same monitor, for the Library Module another color profile is used than for the Development Module by Lightroom?

                • 5. Re: Images in Library and Development module look different
                  Per Berntsen Adobe Community Professional

                  Are you saying that after setting the monitor profile to sRGB, there is still a difference between Library and Develop?

                  Is the histogram now a neutral gray?

                  Lightroom only knows about one monitor profile, the one that is set as default in Windows. (for that particular monitor)

                  Internally, LR uses Adobe RGB for Library and ProPhoto for Develop as working spaces, but that's a different story.

                  Images will still display identically in Library and Develop.

                  • 6. Re: Images in Library and Development module look different
                    skybluenova Level 1

                    Per BerntsenAre you saying that after setting the monitor profile to sRGB, there is still a difference between Library and Develop?

                     

                    No, after setting both monitors to sRGB, there is no difference anymore.

                     

                    Is the histogram now a neutral gray?

                     

                    Yes.

                    LR uses Adobe RGB for Library and ProPhoto for Develop as working spaces, but that's a different story.

                     

                    Strange. As you can see in the first post, as long as the 2nd monitor was not set to sRGB, Library and Devekopment modules were displaying the image quite different. Is there any other explanation for this? As soon as I set both monitors to sRGB, everything is working fine. However, problem solved, I will have a deeper look into the circumstances first the next time before posting.

                     

                    Thank you very much for your input!

                     

                    Cheers

                    Dennis

                    • 7. Re: Images in Library and Development module look different
                      Per Berntsen Adobe Community Professional

                      as long as the 2nd monitor was not set to sRGB, Library and Devekopment modules were displaying the image quite different. Is there any other explanation for this?

                      I can't explain this behavior. I use two monitors myself, but the second monitor is an old Dell that I haven't bothered to calibrate.

                      Maybe D Fosse has an idea about this.

                      • 8. Re: Images in Library and Development module look different
                        Per Berntsen Adobe Community Professional

                        I should add that Windows 10 is known to install low quality profiles from monitor manufacturers when installing Windows updates. These profiles are surprisingly often defective right out of the box.

                        So you should keep an eye on what monitor profiles are set as default, particularly after a Windows update.

                        • 9. Re: Images in Library and Development module look different
                          D Fosse Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                          skybluenova  wrote

                           

                          Still, I do not understand why on the same monitor, for the Library Module another color profile is used than for the Development Module by Lightroom?

                           

                          The thing is that a monitor profile doesn't actually do anything to the monitor. It doesn't adjust anything. It's just a description, nothing else, and what it describes - in great detail - is the monitor's actual behavior in its current state.

                           

                          This description is used in a standard color space conversion, from the source color space and into the monitor color space. That's what all icc profiles do. The numbers are recalculated in order to maintain color appearance (otherwise they would shift).

                           

                          In Lightroom the source color space is Adobe RGB in Library, but linear ProPhoto in Develop. So we have two different conversions, two different calculations with different sets of numbers. A bad profile may get one right but fail with the other.

                           

                          And what it all boils down to is this: If the profile is not accurate, then the conversion goes wrong and the application displays incorrectly. The profile has to be accurate and strictly to spec. A lot of manufacturer profiles, distributed through Windows Update or otherwise, aren't.

                           

                          The only way to make sure is to use a good calibrator. Or use a generic profile like sRGB, which won't be entirely accurate, but OTOH basically sound. That's often close enough for many people.

                          • 10. Re: Images in Library and Development module look different
                            Per Berntsen Adobe Community Professional

                            as long as the 2nd monitor was not set to sRGB, Library and Devekopment modules were displaying the image quite different. Is there any other explanation for this?

                            The way I read the OP's question, is that after having set the monitor profile to sRGB for monitor 1, Library and Develop would still display differently on that monitor, until he set the profile to sRGB on monitor 2 as well.

                            But may be I misunderstood?

                            • 11. Re: Images in Library and Development module look different
                              D Fosse Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                              Well, if that's the case I would double check the primary / secondary configuration. It's not always what you think...

                               

                              It could also be that the application is just using the wrong profile. ACR is known to do this occasionally, and I also remember a couple of Photoshop cases. Switching main and secondary fixed it in most cases.

                              • 12. Re: Images in Library and Development module look different
                                skybluenova Level 1

                                Indeed, monitor 1 has already been set to sRGB when the above issues

                                occurred. In Development Mode, monitor 1 showed a greyscale main image, but

                                a sepia - colored Navigator image and a sepia - colored histogram. On

                                monitor 2, main image and Navigator image were fine (grey), with the

                                histogram still sepia - colored.

                                 

                                After setting monitor 2 to sRGB also, everything looked as it should like

                                on both monitors.

                                 

                                Cheers

                                Dennis

                                 

                                Am 22.02.2017 16:50 schrieb "Per Berntsen" <forums_noreply@adobe.com>:

                                 

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