14 Replies Latest reply on Oct 4, 2017 8:27 AM by Aldy Waani

    AE CC 2017: DUAL GPU Support?

    It's Crady!

      Hi,

       

      Does anyone know for certain if AE CC 2017 supports dual GPUs for rendering?  Specifically, dual graphics cards.  I've had good success in AE, Premiere, PS and AME with my single EVGA GTX 760 SC graphics card and my thought is to add a second GTX 760 in the hopes AE would make use of the additional CUDA cores.

       

      I would have preferred to simply swap out the GTX 760 for a new GTX 1050 FTW card, but neither the 900-series nor the 1000-series boards from nVidia are compatible with my ASUS Rampage III Extreme motherboard (EVGA Support told me they believe the issue lies with the X58 chipset.)

       

      Thanks!

       

      ASUS Rampage II Extreme

      i7 980x Extreme @ 3.7GHz

      24GB RAM

      SSD RAIDs

      850W PS

      Windows 7 Ultimate 64

        • 1. Re: AE CC 2017: DUAL GPU Support?
          Mylenium Most Valuable Participant

          Long and short: No. That's simply not how it works.

           

          Mylenium

          • 2. Re: AE CC 2017: DUAL GPU Support?
            It's Crady! Level 1

            Correction:  The MB is a Rampage III Extreme - not Rampage II

            • 3. Re: AE CC 2017: DUAL GPU Support?
              It's Crady! Level 1

              So you're saying yes, AE CC 17 does make use of a single graphic card's GPU/CUDA cores (which it does) but, the GPU/CUDA cores of an identical, additional graphics card are ignored

              • 4. Re: AE CC 2017: DUAL GPU Support?
                Dave LaRonde Level 6

                Don't obsess over GPUs for AE.  A single card is barely used in the first place, so getting a second GPU card is just a waste of good money. 

                 

                Can you use two cards for other applications?  You can?  That's great!  That's what you should get it for.  Not for AE.

                • 5. Re: AE CC 2017: DUAL GPU Support?
                  It's Crady! Level 1

                  Hi Dave,  That was true for older versions of AE that relied on CPU cores but beginning with CC 2015 (or 2016) AE moved to relying on the GPU to perform most operations, that includes Premiere and encoding in AME.

                  • 6. Re: AE CC 2017: DUAL GPU Support?
                    Mylenium Most Valuable Participant

                    The cores are not ignored, but it won't scale the performance linearly. AE's infrastructure isn't there yet and even in AME and Premiere you can only do so many parallel operations regardless of how much hardware you have. Most of the time your second card will have nothing to do and to boot, since things like OpenGL drawing functions are indeed only using a single card, you may run into issues with this stuff when using certain plug-ins or in other programs. Just leave it as it is.

                     

                    Mylenium

                    • 7. Re: AE CC 2017: DUAL GPU Support?
                      It's Crady! Level 1

                      These are excellent videos for those unfamiliar with GPUs and how they affect the performance of After Effects.  The videos clearly explain how newer GPUs from nVidia and AMD vastly outperform CPUs in many operations within the latest versions of AE, Premiere and AME, including faster previews and rendering:

                       

                      From Linus Tech Tips

                      From Chromacide

                       

                      At 00:02:35 in the Chromacide video you can see in the AE Preferences menu under Previews, Fast Previews, and GPU Information that AE recognizes there are dual GeForce GTX 960 cards installed in the system.  In addition, these cards are each fitted with 2GB of VRAM and AE indicates that a total of 4GB of usable video memory is available.

                      • 8. Re: AE CC 2017: DUAL GPU Support?
                        Mylenium Most Valuable Participant

                        But does your workflow actually make use and is tailored to use these GPU features? That's all it comes down to. I'm sure I could easily tell you how to create a (seemingly) simple project that nullifies all GPU acceleration by using a single feature that breaks the accelerated pipeline just as I could impress people by crafting an equally (seemingly) complicated project, exploiting all my 15+ years of AE knowledge to not break the hardware acceleration. See where this is going? Exporting a video straight via AME using a simple keyer or basic color correction is a whole different thing than most "real" compositing tasks, so I'd be wary with any such tech demos. They are meant to impress and tailored accordingly, while at the same time their relevance for your daily work may be totally zero. In any case, it's a typical "your mileage may vary" thing, but as far as AE goes, I still maintain my position that it's simply not worth it to spend lots of money on beefy cards or multiple card setups.

                         

                        Mylenium

                        • 9. Re: AE CC 2017: DUAL GPU Support?
                          It's Crady! Level 1

                          Yes.  My workflow makes heavy use of GPU-accelerated features.  And if you're using Windows then testing GPU acceleration is a simple matter with apps like CPUID that can show you what CPU and GPU cores are active in real time.  (For example, if I disable GPU acceleration my overclocked 6-core CPU with Hyperthreading will show all 6 cores at 100% during certain operations - re-enabling GPU acceleration not only vastly increases rendering speeds but also drops the CPU core usable to nearly zero.)

                           

                          FYI, Dismissing facts, deriding "tech demos" and bragging about "15+ years of AE knowledge" isn't impressing anyone. In fact it makes you sound like an arrogant, closed-minded troll.  Now please, just go away.

                          • 10. Re: AE CC 2017: DUAL GPU Support?
                            hendrikm18660095

                            FYI It's crady: I would like to thank Mylenium for his well-written, precisely formulated and helpful input.

                            I hope, he won't go away and I am suggesting he does not take your very rude and ignorant reply to him serious.

                            And, by the way: I have tested extensivley and I could not find a nanosecond of performance improvement in dual vs. single gpu usage.

                             

                            Best

                            • 11. Re: AE CC 2017: DUAL GPU Support?
                              Gutter-Fish Level 4

                              Hi It's Crady,

                               

                              You apparent;y know the answer to your own question & you obviously have your heart set on dual graphics cards & seem to be arguing in defense of getting them.  So go ahead and get them.  You don't need anyone's permission & apparently you don't need anyone's advice either.   So,   what are you doing here?

                              • 12. Re: AE CC 2017: DUAL GPU Support?
                                Aldy Waani Level 1

                                I use Dual Quadro 6000 6GB GDDR, on HP Z800 Workstation. But AE CC 2017 only use 6GB max as screenshot below

                                 

                                Capture6.JPG

                                 

                                But when doing Render Export, AE uses ALL GPU equally:

                                Capture7.JPG

                                 

                                It really boost rendering performance.

                                But when working on a 16Bit Color Depth comp and E3D 4K Texture Ray Traced Engine, I did not feel any significant performance boost. So i work on Fast Preview mode with 1/4 settings.

                                 

                                In PPro: If you choose to Render Queue to AME using CUDA, It's amazingly super duper fast!

                                 

                                Hope this info helps.

                                 

                                Cheers!

                                 

                                [EDIT]

                                 

                                • Don't use SLI for Dual GPU Setup for Editing, Comp, or Grading.
                                • If you use multi-display, let all display run thru the 1st GPU, also for your Secondary Monitor Preview
                                • On Multi-display setup, if you put Workspace on the secondary monitor, Set Multi-Display Settings to: Compatibility Mode on Nvidia Settings, to prevent sluggish or lag.

                                Capture8.JPG

                                • I leave my 2nd Quadro alone, without attaching any Display
                                • I have AJA Kona 3G Card to do Real time monitoring Preview
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                                • 13. Re: AE CC 2017: DUAL GPU Support?
                                  Stoyanov Level 1

                                  Hi Aldy,

                                  Thanks for the information given above!

                                  I have a Quadro K5000 and just considering here if to plug a second Quadro K5000, which I bought by a chance recently on a very good price.

                                  I usually export projects directly from AE and not from Media Encoder. Before days I was even working with CS6 only and have just installed CC 2017.

                                  Still not working with 4K videos, but may do 4K soon after some storage upgrades.

                                  All opinions I have found are that a second GPU is still a waste of money, especially for AE. I was going to build just a second PC configuration with my second Quadro K5000, but now I will test to render some projects with and without dual GPUs installed and will update here.

                                  Aldy, whats is your suggestion if I attach 3 monitors and how to connect them. I already have 2x 1920x1200, but maybe I can add one more 4K monitor or a TV for a 4K preview. K5000 has 2 display ports + 2 DVI ports available.

                                  • 14. Re: AE CC 2017: DUAL GPU Support?
                                    Aldy Waani Level 1

                                    Hi @Stoyanov,

                                     

                                    Sorry for late reply.

                                     

                                    Every single monitor display attached to the GPU are consuming it's GDDR. it's small though, but if you attached 4K display or 2x 1200px it will takes quite a lot of GDDR on your GPU.  Even if it's a Quadro.

                                     

                                    My suggestions is:

                                     

                                    • Use Dual 1200px Monitors using DisplayPorts. (You'll need solid display signals to 'render' the GUI on your main display and dealing with refresh rates)
                                    • If possible Turn off Vertical Sync on NVIDIA ControlPanel 'Base Profile' (unless your monitor can support broadcast timing, like i use Eizo CGW245W 24-inch 1920x1200 and EIZO CG277 27-inch 2K 10-bit Display Monitor)
                                    • Turn off ECC on 'Workstation Section' on NVCP (Turning on ECC mode will also consume GDDR) Using ECC are best only when you do Simulation or high task analysis or computing.
                                    • Consider to buy Professional Capture card for Real-Time 4K monitoring. Like i've said, i use AJA Kona 3G, To get better monitoring performance and High Resolution, Timing, Color Profile, etc without sacrificing all the loads on your Quadro.
                                    • The cheapest 4K preview card are from BMD, Blackmagic Design. It's support 4K @ 60p thru HDMI, so you can plug any consumer 4K TV on it for Previewing.
                                    • Set Windows Visual Effects settings to 'Best Performance', System will disable all fancy useless graphical UI. (transparency, window animation, cursor shadow, etc) that uses GPU resources which can make your system sluggish during heaving interactions or renders

                                     

                                     

                                    Also keep these in mind:

                                     

                                    After Effects, and other compositing tools (Nuke, Flame, Fusion, etc) mainly use GPU for INTERACTIONs while working with 3D elements or GPU accelerated FX.

                                    Final Rendering still be done on CPU. (same like 3D applications) but there's GPU render nowadays. (Octane, V-Ray, iRay)

                                     

                                    PPro use GPU for Encoding, Decoding or Debayer RAW footage (specially from RED R3D). it helps to accelerate Realtime Playback.

                                    And it also boost performance on PPro Export on supported Codecs. Same goes to Media Encoder.

                                     

                                    If your system cannot achieve realtime 4K playback, it;s not always about GPU.  Check your CPU & Storage performance too.

                                     

                                    I have never use Dynamic Link (Queue to AME) from AE.  Even on our $70K HP Z840 64GB RAM, Dual M6000 24GB, 14TB Enterprise Fiber channel RAID Storage, AME Renders 7 hours from AE, while i can finish it straight from AE in 2,5hrs! It's 4K Cinema resolution.

                                     

                                    Hope this helps

                                     

                                    Have fun!