38 Replies Latest reply on Sep 29, 2017 5:44 AM by -Michele

    Server behaviours, DMXzone wishlist

    -Michele Level 1

      I know, this is an Adobe forum but... Adobe has removed server behaviours and killed InterAKT (Developer Toolbox) so I think that it's still a topic that could interests many DW's users.

      WordPress is a great tool but I think that develop a website without a "ready to use" CMS is still the best way, the best web workflow (especially for corporate websites).

       

      1. At the moment, DMXzone is the only company that offers a replacement of the old server behaviours but their extensions have many limitations.
        For example, isn't possible (or is very hard to understand how to do it) to set a simple "Show if the recordset is empty" and is necessary every time to open a ticket in the forum (great support but I'd like to do it alone and quickly).
      2. The DMXzone forum is another big problem. It's impossible to save images (screenshots) and to see the whole activity in the forums, is necessary open each forum individually (... and many times it's hard to remember in which forum you have posted the requests). Please DMXzone, see for an example WebAssist; they offer a great forum system with the possibility to see quickly the whole activity of the last 24h, 3/7 days, etc.
      3. Last thing, DMXzone offers too much extensions to do the same process (many times it's difficult to remember which extension must be installed by your marketplace). Please, create a single suite, as "ADDT" (Developer Toolbox) or DataAssist and remove the automatic update when you open a page (at least put a popup warning before updating).

       

      What do you think?

      Other DW users share my thoughts?
      I would have liked to put this message on the DMXzone forum, but isn't available a section "general".

       

       

       

       

       

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        • 1. Re: Server behaviours, DMXzone wishlist
          BenPleysier Adobe Community Professional & MVP

          While I basically agree with your narrative, just a few points

           

          1. WebAssist do have their MySQLi extension which is very similar to the deprecated SB panel.

          2. DMXZone extensions are a bit hard to get one's head around, but there is a new development using  App Connect. This is a new concept where the data sources are manipulated by the client application (browser). In turn this makes the framework a lot simpler to understand, but more importantly, makes it a lot faster. The queries are created serverside, the manipulation of those queries is client side. This makes it easier to filter queries as well as only show the results if the query contains data.

          3. I totally share your view of the DMXZone forum.

          4. There are many extensions and it is hard to know which ones to install (purchase). They do offer complete Collections to make the choices easier as can be seen from the following image

          To show if there is data

          On the server side, using Server Connect, you can Insert, Edit or Delete data, easier than in the days of ADDT.

           

          The main problem is to be able to grasp the concept.

           

          Disclaimer: I have no connection/relation with DMXZone or Webassist, I am merely a user of their products.

          • 2. Re: Server behaviours, DMXzone wishlist
            osgood_ Level 8

            My only advice would be to become more familar with the coding an extension produces if you are going to use one.

             

            Very often, once you have seen the pattern of coding, its easier to just do some of the more simple operations like creating a 'Show if' region directly within the code rather than use an UI.

             

            The extension will create a php variable with the number of records found allocate to it, then its a matter of testing the variable to see if its empty 0 or it contains something:

             

            <?php if($count == 0) { ?>

             

            <h1>Sorry no records could be found</h1>

             

            <?php } else { ?>

             

            <h1>Records found</h1>

             

            <?php } ?>

             

             

            You could even set up a template (snippet) which will surround the code you want to show, if DW does that. I know other programs do. Then it becomes even simpler - select code, choose template.

            • 3. Re: Server behaviours, DMXzone wishlist
              -Michele Level 1

              Hi Ben,

              thank you for your opinions!


              FYI, at the moment with the last App Connect, to show a dynamic section only if a recordset isn't empty,  is possible only changing manually the code.

               

              These are the instructions received from the DMXzone tech support:

              --------

              Select your div, then dynamic attributes > show.

              For the expression, select serverconnect.data.query and just add length to it so it becomes:

              serverconnect1.data.query1.length

              --------

               

              The problem is that when I need to update the code, I need every time to remember the modification customised.

              I'm using DW to simplify the work and I need to have a panel (as the old server behaviour)  that showing me all the behaviours in the page otherwise all becomes complicated (much better to work manually on the code, without extensions).

              • 4. Re: Server behaviours, DMXzone wishlist
                BenPleysier Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                Yes, I have had to do some hand coding as well. But this is because the likes of the Data Formatter has not been released. Actually, I don't mind a bit of hand coding when I can do it faster than having to go through the steps.

                 

                Edit:

                As you can see from the screenshot, I have tackled the empty data slightly differently, comparing the the ID from the detail region with that of the ID in the 2nd table that I want to show the relevant records for. No ID from the detail area, no show of results. If there is an ID in the detail area, then filter the results to that ID

                • 5. Re: Server behaviours, DMXzone wishlist
                  -Michele Level 1

                  I've a question for you Ben...

                  Do you have a solution about the problem with local/remote db server?

                  https://www.dmxzone.com/support/23295/topic/61190/

                  • 6. Re: Server behaviours, DMXzone wishlist
                    BenPleysier Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                    I set my site up with two testing servers, one local and one to my remote server. When I enter the details for the remote, I switch to the remote testing server and enter the details in the Connection Options. When that is done, I revert to the local testing server and change the details to the local server. This needs to be done once per site.

                    test2.png

                     

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                    • 7. Re: Server behaviours, DMXzone wishlist
                      -Michele Level 1

                      Perfect, thanks!

                      I hope to see very soon from DMXzone a solution "definitive" also for this.

                       

                      OT: Why Adobe not give money to DMXzone to build new server behaviours integrated on the new version of Dreamweaver (late 2018)?

                      We might have a better product and the new behaviours could be used also from the others extension developers (as a standard).

                      • 8. Re: Server behaviours, DMXzone wishlist
                        -Michele Level 1

                        Hello Ben,

                        do you have problems with IE 11 bowser to visualise the data generate from DMXzone App Connect?

                        Customers Dashboard Showcase

                         

                        On Edge is ok, on IE 11 (and also for Windows Phone App) not loaded nothing:

                        screenshot-windows-phone-json-issue.png

                         

                        UPDATE: DMXzone confimed the issue and will release a fix in the next days.

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                        • 9. Re: Server behaviours, DMXzone wishlist
                          BenPleysier Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                          Wow, I had not thought of testing with IE, but none of my sites work in IE (3% usage). Will ask DMXZone about this.

                           

                          Edit:

                          I hope you do not mind if I use your example because mine are all in a password protected area.

                           

                          Edit Edit:

                          Thanks, I see that you have already told them.

                          • 10. Re: Server behaviours, DMXzone wishlist
                            -Michele Level 1

                            Issue (IE browser compatibility) fixed in the last 1.0.6 version (launched today).

                            • 11. Re: Server behaviours, DMXzone wishlist
                              jamies34641468 Level 1

                              Speaking of dmxzone what is this: http://wappler.io/ ? It's logo says "by dmxZone" ? I couldn't find anything related to this on their website. Is it legit or this some other company?

                              • 12. Re: Server behaviours, DMXzone wishlist
                                BenPleysier Adobe Community Professional & MVP
                                Wappler - The Visual Web App Creator

                                This makes me believe that DMXzone are in the process of giving us an alternative to Dreamweaver.

                                 

                                Yes, the code has been written in typical DMXzone style.

                                • 13. Re: Server behaviours, DMXzone wishlist
                                  pziecina Adobe Community Professional

                                  BenPleysier  wrote

                                   

                                  Wappler - The Visual Web App Creator

                                  This makes me believe that DMXzone are in the process of giving us an alternative to Dreamweaver.

                                   

                                  Yes, the code has been written in typical DMXzone style.

                                  All i can say is that it would be an interesting development if Theo is going to give us a Dw alternative.

                                  • 14. Re: Server behaviours, DMXzone wishlist
                                    BenPleysier Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                    On second thoughts, it may be an extension for Dreamweaver. To me it seems an huge task to create an alternative to Dreamweaver.

                                    • 15. Re: Server behaviours, DMXzone wishlist
                                      -Michele Level 1

                                      Maybe it's only the extension "DMXzone Webpack Builder" listed in the roadmap 2017 (see "DMXzone Building and Packaging Tools" section):

                                      https://www.dmxzone.com/go/32730/extensions-roadmap-2017/

                                      • 16. Re: Server behaviours, DMXzone wishlist
                                        pziecina Adobe Community Professional

                                        BenPleysier  wrote

                                         

                                        On second thoughts, it may be an extension for Dreamweaver. To me it seems an huge task to create an alternative to Dreamweaver.

                                        Not really.

                                         

                                        If they base it on the Brackets editor, (which is open source anyway) and add their server behaviours plus a few other extensions, (e.g. Bootstrap and sass) complete with say the Brackets ftp extension, then all that would be required is a decent file management system and they would have a viable alternative to Dw.

                                         

                                        Even starting from scratch and just using Brackets or similar as a starting point, it is not as large a task as one would think. If you look at the size of the actual Dw engineering team, (forget everyone else) then it is not that much bigger than DMX's team, and lets be honest if they teamed-up with people like Al and his team from Project Seven to make it compatible with their extensions also, I honestly think they would be on a winner.

                                         

                                        The problem with Dw, (and most other paid for web tools) is that it only offers the file management tools over programs that are available for free, especially for those developing server side and wanting some form of visual interface.

                                         

                                        That all said, until I see or hear something from Theo, I'm not taking is too serious.

                                        • 17. Re: Server behaviours, DMXzone wishlist
                                          BenPleysier Adobe Community Professional & MVP
                                          • DMXzone Bootstrap 4 Visual Designer for App Connect

                                          You are right!

                                          • 18. Re: Server behaviours, DMXzone wishlist
                                            osgood_ Level 8

                                            BenPleysier  wrote

                                             

                                            • DMXzone Bootstrap 4 Visual Designer for App Connect

                                            You are right!

                                             

                                            Well he did allude to something forthcoming shortly in a previous forum thread about Bootstrap shortly after V4 was launched.....since a great deal of their extensions are Bootstrap based and DW is way behind the curve as are most of the other apps out there are, like Bootstrap Studio and Bootstrap Builder........was not difficult to put 2 and 2 together which makes 5, doesn't it?

                                             

                                            Thing is there are a lot of app developers out there, most die on their *** and lack any real teeth after a couple of years of development and the app eventually falls in a state of hibernation and become useless to those that have bought into it. To be a serious app developer you have to be committed and in it for the long run, DMXzone are one of those few app and extension developers that are commited.

                                            • 19. Re: Server behaviours, DMXzone wishlist
                                              jamies34641468 Level 1

                                              I contacted them in their support chat but the only thing they confirmed was that this is not going to be an extension. The support guy told me, that he cannot share anything else at this point. Hm...

                                              • 20. Re: Server behaviours, DMXzone wishlist
                                                osgood_ Level 8

                                                jamies34641468  wrote

                                                 

                                                I contacted them in their support chat but the only thing they confirmed was that this is not going to be an extension. The support guy told me, that he cannot share anything else at this point. Hm...

                                                 

                                                Well those that are interested had better hope it does not follow Bootstrap 4s timeline of testing and bringing to market, that took about 2 years or was it 3, I lost count.

                                                • 21. Re: Server behaviours, DMXzone wishlist
                                                  -Michele Level 1

                                                  Hi Ben,

                                                  please could you tell me if you have error messages in the browser's panel inspection about missing dmxzone .map files?

                                                  Just to figure out if I lost something while uploading files to the server.

                                                  Thanks!

                                                  • 22. Re: Server behaviours, DMXzone wishlist
                                                    BenPleysier Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                    No I don't. Could you show me a screen shot?

                                                    • 23. Re: Server behaviours, DMXzone wishlist
                                                      -Michele Level 1

                                                      I've opened this request for assistance on DMXzone (see the screenshot):

                                                      https://www.dmxzone.com/support/32947/topic/63032/

                                                      • 24. Re: Server behaviours, DMXzone wishlist
                                                        -Michele Level 1

                                                        I've received an answer from Teodor.

                                                        No .map files in the DMXzone's extensions (considered unnecessary).

                                                        • 25. Re: Server behaviours, DMXzone wishlist
                                                          Teodor K Level 4

                                                          Hey guys,

                                                          i see somebody already found the Wappler website

                                                           

                                                          Keep an eye on

                                                          https://wappler.io/

                                                          https://www.facebook.com/wappler.io/

                                                          https://twitter.com/wapplerio

                                                           

                                                          as more announcements are coming up!


                                                          Best Regards,

                                                          Teodor Kuduschiev

                                                          DMXzone.com

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                                                          • 26. Re: Server behaviours, DMXzone wishlist
                                                            pziecina Adobe Community Professional

                                                            Providing you remember to support modern css, (unlike Dw) you will certainly have me for a user Teodor.

                                                            • 27. Re: Server behaviours, DMXzone wishlist
                                                              -Michele Level 1

                                                              https://forums.adobe.com/people/Teodor+K  ha scritto

                                                               

                                                              Hey guys,

                                                              i see somebody already found the Wappler website

                                                               

                                                              Keep an eye on

                                                              https://wappler.io/

                                                              https://www.facebook.com/wappler.io/

                                                              https://twitter.com/wapplerio

                                                               

                                                              as more announcements are coming up!


                                                              Best Regards,

                                                              Teodor Kuduschiev

                                                              DMXzone.com

                                                              (from Facebook/Twitter):
                                                              "The most powerful creativity-driven application in the world! Get ready to change your mindset!"

                                                               

                                                              Teodor, please... give us an exclusive preview!

                                                              We promise that we don't say to anyone

                                                              • 28. Re: Server behaviours, DMXzone wishlist
                                                                pziecina Adobe Community Professional

                                                                If Theodor did give more details, the speculation in this and other forums would be interesting to read.

                                                                 

                                                                The biggest ones would be regarding the future of Dw. So maybe it is not a good idea to say anything at this point. For me i hope Dw becomes more of a developers environment, and the dmx's 'secret' project would be aimed more at the visual user who wishes to build dynamic sites, (or maybe the other way around).

                                                                • 29. Re: Server behaviours, DMXzone wishlist
                                                                  -Michele Level 1

                                                                  I just hope that it's not a cloud-based service (no further monthly/annual subscriptions).

                                                                  A powerful and intuitive tool/app to build easily and quickly advanced dynamic sites (how it was "Developer Toolbox"), but hosted on the own hosting plan (and included in the current annual/monthly DMXzone subscription).

                                                                  • 30. Re: Server behaviours, DMXzone wishlist
                                                                    pziecina Adobe Community Professional

                                                                    I agree that it should not be a subscription base service, as that is one of the major items i think is stifling development of Dw.

                                                                     

                                                                    I don't think it should be tied to a hosting plan though, as this would be too limiting for many potential users, and lets be honest, anyone wishing to develop a dynamic site would not want to bother with something that limits their options.

                                                                    • 31. Re: Server behaviours, DMXzone wishlist
                                                                      -Michele Level 1

                                                                      pziecina  ha scritto

                                                                       

                                                                      I don't think it should be tied to a hosting plan though, as this would be too limiting for many potential users, and lets be honest, anyone wishing to develop a dynamic site would not want to bother with something that limits their options.

                                                                       

                                                                      I think the model to be taken as a comparison are "WordPress" (for the development) and "Themeforest" (for the "creativity").

                                                                      My customers want to pay for something that remains available on their servers (and pay only once, when the work is delivered/completed), without the nightmare of interruptions, closures (very high when companies are small, such as DMXzone) or price changes over the years (typical of cloud services).

                                                                      • 32. Re: Server behaviours, DMXzone wishlist
                                                                        Teodor K Level 4

                                                                        Just to clarify here, this is not related and won't include/offer any hosting services, or cloud-based services.

                                                                         

                                                                        You will understand really really soon, what the 'secret' is

                                                                         

                                                                        Best Regards,

                                                                        Teodor Kuduschiev

                                                                        DMXzone.com

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                                                                        • 33. Re: Server behaviours, DMXzone wishlist
                                                                          osgood_ Level 8

                                                                          https://forums.adobe.com/people/Teodor+K  wrote

                                                                           

                                                                          Just to clarify here, this is not related and won't include/offer any hosting services, or cloud-based services.

                                                                           

                                                                          You will understand really really soon, what the 'secret' is

                                                                           

                                                                          Best Regards,

                                                                          Teodor Kuduschiev

                                                                          DMXzone.com

                                                                           

                                                                          Well I need something new to muse over..........so hurry up about it if you can please. I'm dying of boredom here just lately.

                                                                          • 34. Re: Server behaviours, DMXzone wishlist
                                                                            Teodor K Level 4

                                                                            Hello again,

                                                                            We are ready to announce the 'secret' we've been working on in the past months. You can learn more on our website: https://www.dmxzone.com/go/33041/join-the-revolution-wappler-is-coming-up

                                                                             

                                                                            Best Regards,

                                                                            Teodor Kuduschiev

                                                                            DMXzone.com

                                                                            • 35. Re: Server behaviours, DMXzone wishlist
                                                                              pziecina Adobe Community Professional

                                                                              Thank you Teodor, and here was i thinking that it was just me that thought Dw was becomming a web development tool of the past, and modern web requirerments were being ignored.

                                                                               

                                                                              As you know i do not require a visual ui, but i have also though that Dw was no longer for the coder either.

                                                                               

                                                                              Will be interesting to actually see if what you think is missing from Dw for those requirering a more visual ui, agree, (or hopefully surpass) with mine

                                                                              • 36. Re: Server behaviours, DMXzone wishlist
                                                                                -Michele Level 1

                                                                                Great idea Teodor, but before I have to understand how much the service will cost (I don't think it will be free).

                                                                                Honestly I think that Dreamweaver with the latest versions (especially with the 2017) has taken the wrong path and the decision to no longer integrate a visual development tool (as it was with Adobe Developer Toolbox) or simply to update the "Server Behaviours", has made its use completely useless (there are a lot of free html/css editors open source much better than Dreamweaver).

                                                                                The only reason I haven't left Dreamweaver yet, are the PVII extensions.

                                                                                • 37. Re: Server behaviours, DMXzone wishlist
                                                                                  -Michele Level 1

                                                                                  From the DMXzone's announcement:

                                                                                  "Adobe Dreamweaver is turning more and more into a tool for hardcore coders and loosing its well-known visual abilities. It's also a truth that Dreamweaver's development has being way behind the latest web or mobile app developments."

                                                                                   

                                                                                  I think they are absolutely right!

                                                                                  If Adobe doesn't change something quickly in the development of Dreamweaver, the future of this historic Macromedia's software is destined to an inevitable death.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  I just hope that Adobe does not decide to buy DMXzone and make it die as it did years ago with Interakt

                                                                                  • 38. Re: Server behaviours, DMXzone wishlist
                                                                                    pziecina Adobe Community Professional

                                                                                    -Michele  wrote

                                                                                     

                                                                                    From the DMXzone's announcement:

                                                                                    "Adobe Dreamweaver is turning more and more into a tool for hardcore coders and loosing its well-known visual abilities. It's also a truth that Dreamweaver's development has being way behind the latest web or mobile app developments."

                                                                                    As i have said previously Dw is not for hard core developers, more for a specific user, (still trying to work out who that user is). I do agree with the statement that Dw is way behind what is required for the latest web development requirerments, which does sort of prove it is not for the hardcore coder.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    -Michele  wrote

                                                                                     

                                                                                    I think they are absolutely right!

                                                                                    If Adobe doesn't change something quickly in the development of Dreamweaver, the future of this historic Macromedia's software is destined to an inevitable death.

                                                                                    The problem with Dw is that many of the CS version did not offer anything that was not simply following the latest trends, which quickly made it redundant for everyone who did not cater for the quick and dirty site builder. What made things worse was that CS6 was i think the version that did try to offer more than simply what had gone before.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    The CC versions unfortunatly ended up being stuck in limbo, in that they attempted to make it a visual site creation tool, but completely forgot the mobile web or any future requirerments, except in a most basic way.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    As i have said before the only way to change things is if many more users join the pre-release, or even better try to get accepted for the CAB group. I left both groups for various reasons, and now that  Teodor has anounced this latest project, it would appear he has also finally decided Dw has serious problems with Dw's future and the none represented users requirerments.

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