22 Replies Latest reply on Jul 10, 2017 2:01 PM by MyerPj

    It's Build Day

    MyerPj Level 2

      Starting the Build today, thanks everyone for the past and future assistance!

       

        • 1. Re: It's Build Day
          Bill Gehrke Adobe Community Professional & MVP

          How is it going?

          • 2. Re: It's Build Day
            MyerPj Level 2

            Thanks for asking. I've been taking my time, all looks good so far, enjoying the process.

             

            Since I have two 960's before I look at the bios, or what have you, I was thinking the boot drive will be my EVO in the upright MB connector and the PRO will be in the Hyper card. Does it matter which slot it goes in? Also, will install the Thunderbird card, and is there any preferences for that.

             

            Thanks again.

            • 3. Re: It's Build Day
              Bill Gehrke Adobe Community Professional & MVP

              Well it depends on which CPU you have, is it 40-lane or 28-lane and then I will have to research the Thuinderbolt card before assigning PCIe slots.  There are so many if's, and's and but's on the PCIe arrangement it is mind boggling.

              • 4. Re: It's Build Day
                MyerPj Level 2

                It's a 40 lane CPU, I7-6850k.

                 

                Yes, the  mind-boggling part is where I'm at...

                • 5. Re: It's Build Day
                  RoninEdits Most Valuable Participant

                  yes it matters which slots you use for the hardware. check the manual to see which slots share resources with other devices or slots, and avoid the gen 2.0 pcie slot. with your hardware, it appears you only have about 2 practical options.

                  • 6. Re: It's Build Day
                    MyerPj Level 2

                    OK, I should have said "It's build WEEK"

                     

                    Here seems to be the relevant part of the manual. To me it seems pcie3_3 and pcie3_5 are the options. _3 shares bandwith with the onboard m.2 port which I'll be using and the u.2 ports which I wont be. pcie_5 shares with another u.2 port I won't be using. So, those two slots, is there any preference which to each one going where? I think maybe slot 5 for the hyper m.2 card, since that will be in use constantly, then the TB card in _3?

                     

                    • 7. Re: It's Build Day
                      Bill Gehrke Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                      I am confused by this data from the instruction sheet.  It shows that even with the M.2 enabled that you should be getting x16, x8, and x8 on the first three slots.  That is more than the required x4 for the Thunderbolt and the Hyper M.2 card require so I do not see why you could not just use slots 1, 3, and 4.  (Slot 2 is just an x1 slot that is generally hidden by the double width GPU) Maybe Ronin or someone else can straighten me out.RoninEdits

                       

                      I finally found out why slot 3 is no good it is a PCIe 2.0 slot only, not suitable for Thunderbolt or Hyper M.2 caqrd  Below they are showing Slots 1, 3, 4 I think?  So you indeed would have to try

                       

                      Actually only Slot1 and Slot 5 (PCIex16_4) are not shared by anything.  I am sure glad I got the workstation x99 as it does not have all these if's, and's an but's.

                      *1:PCIe x16_3 shares bandwidth with M.2 and U.2_2. It runs at x16 mode by default. PCIe X16_5 shares bandwidth with U.2_1. It runs at x4 mode by default with U.2_1 enabled.

                       

                      *3: PCIe x16_2 shares bandwidth with USB3_34 and USB 3.1_EA34. It runs at x2 mode by default.

                       

                      Sorry but I give up!

                      • 8. Re: It's Build Day
                        RoninEdits Most Valuable Participant

                        MyerPj, i don't think there is any difference for which card is in which slot. both cards use 4 lanes, and both slots with your setup can run at x8. setting up the thunderbolt card can sometimes be tricky, but i'm not aware of slot x16_3 vs x16_5 making a difference for that.

                         

                        to bill, you are close, option 3 in that picture is correct. what you seem to be missing is slot x16_4 appears to share lanes with slot x16_1. that's why its best to avoid when possible, to keep the gtx 1070 in slot 1 at x16 and not drop to x8. the WS motherboard can be just as tricky, if not more so, to figure out the best placement for multiple cards as there are even more lane splits to even more slots to figure out.

                        • 9. Re: It's Build Day
                          Bill Gehrke Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                          Ronin

                          Thanks for the update.  My workstation board I can have two x16 GPU's, the motherboard M.2 x4 plus two M.2 adapters installed and all running at rated speeds.  And actually the x99E-WS can run 4 GPU's at x16 with the PLX chips

                          PCIe 44-Lanes.png

                          This my 960 Pro M.2 1 TB on the left.  Next to it is the 950 Pro 512 GB boot drive and below it is my 960 Pro 512 GB M.2.  Both GTX 1060's are overclocked and running at PCIe 3 x16

                          • 10. Re: It's Build Day
                            RoninEdits Most Valuable Participant

                            the plx chips can make the slots report x16, but the plx chips will still share/split pcie lanes between several slots. that's where it takes extra effort to make sure card placement gets the most out of the cpu pcie lanes in the WS boards.

                            • 11. Re: It's Build Day
                              Bill Gehrke Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                              Maybe I am just lucky but I cannot see any difference with GPU power and certainly there were no problems with the M.2 performance

                              • 12. Re: It's Build Day
                                MyerPj Level 2

                                Here's a bit more on the slots... BTW: Is there some kind of system setup utility which shows what lanes are being used by what?

                                 

                                • 13. Re: It's Build Day
                                  RoninEdits Most Valuable Participant

                                  i don't recall any software utilities for the asus mbd's that can report the lane assignment/use. gpu-z can report for slot the video card.

                                  • 14. Re: It's Build Day
                                    Bill Gehrke Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                    Same here, so I just test the M.2 SSD's to see if they are performing properly

                                    • 15. Re: It's Build Day
                                      JEShort01 Level 4

                                      Piriform Speccy show slot types, slot #, data lanes, PCI Generation (i.e. Gen3), voltage, and available/in use or sometimes "unknown".

                                      • 16. Re: It's Build Day
                                        MyerPj Level 2

                                        OK build month!

                                         

                                        So, the rig was mostly built and I started running some items on there.

                                         

                                        I ran 3DMark on it, and mostly it ran well and reported it to be very good. Except it rebooted a few times.

                                         

                                        So I got out some stress test software. I started to run Prime95 on it. The default test Blended caused an immediate BSOD. Tried again, same deal. Tried the Small FFT and that ran thru. Then Blended again which caused a reboot. So, I ran the Windows built in “Memory Diagnostic Tool” and after a short time it reported ‘hardware’ issues. So, I got out MemTest86+, and ran it overnight that too reported bad memory and 252 errors. So, yesterday I RMA'd the memory. G.Skill has some crazy times on their website which end up totaling 10 days, I managed to get hold of someone via chat and he said he would expedite. They told me on the phone today the memory shipped so I may get it tomorrow. That wouldn't be too painful.

                                         

                                        All in all, looking good, and I'm happy with it. It's super quiet, that's for sure.

                                         

                                        First thing though, I was happily watching Bill Gehrke explain that 'you should not have much more than 70 processes running' which I have on my current machine (Win 7), but Win 10 has like 150 running with the initial install!! Yikes! So, I'm going to need some optimization. If anyone can point me to a good itemized reference, that would be great.

                                         

                                        Also, somehow I think my bios got set to XMP on, and thus some test software was saying I had an overclock going. Which I didn't do anything to setup. So, does having XMP on constitute an overclock? And does that default to on?

                                         

                                        Here's an a couple shots of my rig:

                                         

                                         

                                        • 17. Re: It's Build Day
                                          Bill Gehrke Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                          If you look at our dear departed Harm's tuning guide as a starting point and Black Viper now has a Windows 10

                                          Service guide

                                          • 18. Re: It's Build Day
                                            RoninEdits Most Valuable Participant

                                            Also, somehow I think my bios got set to XMP on, and thus some test software was saying I had an overclock going. Which I didn't do anything to setup. So, does having XMP on constitute an overclock? And does that default to on?

                                            from the pictures, it looks like you might have the xmp switch on the motherboard set to on. the manual says it should default to off. if the xmp profile is changing the baseclock, it could overclock the cpu. you should be able to adjust the memory in the bios without changing the baseclock.

                                            • 19. Re: It's Build Day
                                              MyerPj Level 2

                                              Thanks Bill Gehrke, those are quite helpful.

                                               

                                              RoninEdits, good call! The XMP switch was set to on. I must of hit it plugging something in there.

                                               

                                              So, G.Skill did OK on the RMA. I sent them the memory on the 19th, got there on the 20th, they put the new set back in the mail on the 21st, I received it Saturday the 22nd. So, pretty good turn-around. Only problem was the first dude I talked to, sounded like he didn't know what was happening. But the other two I had contact with were on the ball.

                                               

                                              So, I've run prime95, Windows Memory Diagnostics and memtest86+ and all seems well. Will start configuring my Windows now. I've installed it 3 or 4 times already just trying different stuff, with the testing and all.

                                              • 20. Re: It's Build Day
                                                MyerPj Level 2

                                                I've been up and running of course, but still tweaking it here and there. Was able to run PPBM many times, I got good at it. Even had a shortcut to Project Settings/General. This was my best run. Left the system just a tick down on this at 44ghz on all cores at 1.225v, VERY QUIET! I hadn't realized before that the Windows Power settings manipulated the CPU clock speeds. I wanted to keep my processor and GPU clocking down at idle and managed that well. I got 18's on the Disk I/O several times otherwise it was 19. This was C: (960evo) OS/Programs/Default Cache and previews, F: Project, Files and Export (960pro).  Only the h.264 times seemed a bit off. Tried running it in different ways, but kept getting around 60-63. BTW: Saw some drop off in speed having SnagIt open.

                                                 

                                                • 21. Re: It's Build Day
                                                  Bill Gehrke Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                  Great Info

                                                  1. Your Disk I/O test 18-19 seconds is excellent I have run two 960's in RAID 0 with no improvement.
                                                  2. Jumping ahead the CPU intensive export is that 301 seconds and with your I7-6850k 6-core CPU at 4.4GHz (I am guessing that is what you are running at) is a new high for a 6-core system so I am updating my PPBM8 CPU chart with your new data.
                                                  3. The companion score to that CPU test is the GPU Accelerated 15 seconds so here your GTX 1070 is doing a great job and equals the score that I got with a GTX 1080.  Did you raise the Memory Clock on that 1070?

                                                  4. Now for the H.264 Timeline export.  You have a very good 61 seconds because in addition to the GPU Acceleration this timeline is also CPU intensive so starting with CPU score of 301 seconds your great 61 seconds being slightly higher than my results until you look a my Core, Threads and Clock on the bottom of the page results with 6-cores you are doing excellent.
                                                  • 22. Re: It's Build Day
                                                    MyerPj Level 2

                                                    Thanks Bill, I really appreciate the feedback. I had the core clock at 44/45. Two of my cores 2 + 4 run about 3-5* hotter than the others with full load. So, I was trying some overclocking at the time to balance out the temps and thus ran the other cores faster. I was pulling in 301-305 on the disk i/o tests. I left it at 4.4ghz in the end so I could use the Asus recommended  "sync all cores". On the 1070, I did have the memory clock raised just a bit. I did some overclocking on the clock speed and I was able to get +75->100 to run with the Heaven benchmark. In the end, the 1070 FTW2 is already clocked quickly and seems plenty fast, so I've left the 1070 at default settings for day to day work, but run XOC at startup to spin up the fans from their default 'off' (bummer you need to have the software running to speed up the fans. (unlike the computer BIOS (uefi)). Here's a screen shot of Crystal having run the two 960 (F: PRO, c: EVO) at the same time.