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    How to prevent Photoshop from auto correcting the colors of my images

    j64253144

      Hey everyone,

       

      There's this issue that keeps occurring from time to time and I can't find any fix even after an extensive Google search.

       

      When I open some pictures on Photoshop (I specifically use CS5 for Mac if that makes any difference) the colors automatically change without me even doing the slightest little thing.

       

      Now as I said, it only happens to some pictures, not all of them, which is strange. I cannot find a fix for this guys. I'm suspecting there's got to be somewhere in Preferences an auto color correction setting enabled, but I don't know if that's the case or where to find it.

       

      My Color Settings are set to North America General Purpose 2, if that matters.

       

      Untitled.png

      On the left is the picture opened on Preview (and several other apps) and on the right is the exact same picture opened on Photoshop. Both pictures are unaltered by me, meaning this is what I get just by opening them. As you can see the one on the right has brighter colors.

       

      Anyone knows a fix for this? Please help me cause this bug has rendered Photoshop unusable to me, on one too many occasions from time to time.

       

      Thank you very much for your time.

        • 1. Re: How to prevent Photoshop from auto correcting the colors of my images
          Bettina Di Virgilio Level 3

          Check if you've on the soft proof. Press Cmd/Cltr + Y to enable or disable it.

          • 2. Re: How to prevent Photoshop from auto correcting the colors of my images
            j64253144 Level 1

            Hi, thanks for your response.

             

            I tried that and there's no difference whatsoever.

            • 3. Re: How to prevent Photoshop from auto correcting the colors of my images
              Danny Whitehead. Adobe Community Professional

              Looks like the image has the AdobeRGB profile assigned. If that's the case, then the image on the right, in Photoshop, is the correct colours (as intended by whoever assigned that profile). If you prefer the appearance on the left, Edit > Assign Profile, and try assigning sRGB.

              • 4. Re: How to prevent Photoshop from auto correcting the colors of my images
                Barbara Ash Adobe Community Professional

                Check Edit > Color Settings. Color management may be converting images to working RGB without asking.

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                • 5. Re: How to prevent Photoshop from auto correcting the colors of my images
                  D Fosse Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                  Converting won't matter. It will display the same. This is a color managed application, which displays everything correctly whatever the document profile.

                   

                  This is most likely, yet again, a display profile problem. Probably not a corrupt profile, more likely just the wrong one.

                   

                  Is this a dual display setup? If so, exactly what displays are used (make and model)? This is what it would look like if the display is wide gamut, but the application uses an sRGB-type display profile for it.

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                  • 6. Re: How to prevent Photoshop from auto correcting the colors of my images
                    K´mo Level 3

                    I suspect that it happens when there is no color profile tagged in file and it differs from working profile and the warning is turned off. Then PS assignes working profile to image which is made with another profile.

                     

                    Please check policies for "profile mismatches" and "missing profiles". I'd check also the pasting. They are all good to be checked.

                    • 7. Re: How to prevent Photoshop from auto correcting the colors of my images
                      D Fosse Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                      Yeah, it could be that.

                       

                      I can never wrap my head around why anyone would want to punish themselves by producing untagged files, so I tend to disregard that possibility.

                      • 8. Re: How to prevent Photoshop from auto correcting the colors of my images
                        K´mo Level 3

                        I feel you. But it could happen by accident or something. And it's not rare if I think all the images that clients have sent me for advertising or something.. And sometimes you get untagged images from image banks.

                        • 9. Re: How to prevent Photoshop from auto correcting the colors of my images
                          D Fosse Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                          I took a closer look at the two screenshots.

                           

                          Assigning the "other" profile to each does not produce the expected match. There's still a difference. So that's not it. In addition - NA general purpose has sRGB as working. So that would produce the opposite result if the file was untagged.

                           

                          So I'm back to my original theory: Photoshop is using the wrong display profile - whether on its own, or it gets that profile from the OS, or it's Mac OS doing it on its own. All three are just as likely (except on Windows the third would be impossible).

                           

                          But we still haven't heard back from the OP, as to whether this is in fact a dual display setup, and if so what particular displays are used.

                          • 10. Re: How to prevent Photoshop from auto correcting the colors of my images
                            j64253144 Level 1

                            Ok, bingo!

                             

                            This is fixed by Assigning Profile: Display

                            Now the picture and its colors are identical whether I open it with Preview or Photoshop.

                             

                            Finally.

                             

                            Thank you all for your help guys.

                            • 11. Re: How to prevent Photoshop from auto correcting the colors of my images
                              j64253144 Level 1

                              Oh, sorry, one last thing.

                               

                              Is there any way to set it that it assigns the "Display" profile by default, so I don't have to do it every time manually?

                               

                              Thanks.

                              • 12. Re: How to prevent Photoshop from auto correcting the colors of my images
                                D Fosse Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                This is fixed by Assigning Profile: Display

                                No, no, no - you're getting this all wrong. The display profile and the document profile are two very different things, serving different purposes, don't mix them up!

                                 

                                The display profile is set up at system level. Photoshop gets it from the operating system and uses it, on the fly, without any intervention from you.

                                 

                                The document profile remains sRGB or Adobe RGB.

                                 

                                What you just did was to disable display color management. But that does confirm that this is a display profile problem.

                                 

                                First of all - answer my questions above. Is this a dual display setup, and if so, what displays, specifically?

                                • 13. Re: How to prevent Photoshop from auto correcting the colors of my images
                                  j64253144 Level 1

                                  In response to "Is this a dual display setup?" the answer is no.

                                   

                                  To be honest, I don't see what I'm getting wrong. I actually opened the image on Photoshop, assigned profile to "Display" and now it looks the way I want it (I mean like it does on Preview and all the other apps I use). I also saved it and compared the images (one from Preview and the one from Photoshop) and they're identical now.

                                   

                                  Are you saying that I messed it up somehow?

                                  • 14. Re: How to prevent Photoshop from auto correcting the colors of my images
                                    D Fosse Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                    j64253144  wrote

                                     

                                    Are you saying that I messed it up somehow?

                                    Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. You may have managed to sweep the immediate problem under the carpet, but you haven't solved the underlying problem, which is a faulty/wrong/defective/corrupt display profile. It's still there.

                                     

                                    The document needs to be in a standard, universal color space. Your monitor doesn't qualify. The document profile should always, no exception, be sRGB, Adobe RGB or ProPhoto RGB. Anything else defeats the whole purpose.

                                     

                                    And, of course, as per the little sub-discussion between K'mo and myself above - the profile must be embedded in the file.

                                     

                                    This gets converted, by Photoshop, on the fly, into your monitor profile. You need both profiles present and correct. All color management, everywhere, depends on two profiles - a source and a destination. With only one profile there's no color management.

                                     

                                    What type of display is this? Make and model?

                                    • 15. Re: How to prevent Photoshop from auto correcting the colors of my images
                                      j64253144 Level 1

                                      It's the MacBook 4,1 (early 2008) Core 2 Duo, running 10.7.5

                                      • 16. Re: How to prevent Photoshop from auto correcting the colors of my images
                                        D Fosse Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                        OK. So let's just get it out of the way first: Before you assigned your display profile - did the file in question have sRGB IEC61966-2.1 embedded? If it didn't, what happens if you assign that now?

                                         

                                        (you need to do that anyway; it can't have your display profile assigned).

                                        • 17. Re: How to prevent Photoshop from auto correcting the colors of my images
                                          j64253144 Level 1

                                          Ok, I don't remember if it did have sRGB IEC61966-2.1 or something else embedded, to be honest.

                                           

                                          Here's what I did though; I just opened the original file on Photoshop (the one I posted in the OP, just the image as I got it from Google, unedited by me) and when I click on "Assign Profile" I get:

                                          Working RGB: sRGB IEC61966-2.1 (that's the selection that's checked by itself)

                                           

                                          Now, if I click (check the selection) on Profile: Display the image's colors are fixed to the desired ones; I mean the ones that were projected on Google when I downloaded it, Preview and all the other apps that I imported this image in. Why are you saying that this a mistake? :/

                                           

                                          By the way, thank you for your insight.

                                          • 18. Re: How to prevent Photoshop from auto correcting the colors of my images
                                            D Fosse Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                            This is going nowhere. This is really simple if you just start listening to what I'm saying.

                                             

                                            You cannot use your monitor profile as document profile because it is not a standard color space. What if you send this file to other people, or to other devices? What are they going to do with your monitor profile? That profile applies only to that specific MacBook screen, it is full of irregularities and idiosyncrasies, because it was made precisely to correct for those defects that your screen has. Do you think your MacBook screen behaves in a perfect, ideal way? No, it doesn't.

                                             

                                            You have a source profile (the file), and a destination profile (in this case the MacBook screen). If both these profiles accurately describe the respective color spaces they refer to, the conversion preserves the file's appearance in the new color space.

                                             

                                            And that is in fact a full and complete summary of what color management is. That's all it does. That's all it has to do to reproduce everything correctly across devices and systems.

                                             

                                            So I'm asking again: What happens if you assign sRGB IEC61966-2.1 to the file? Don't just open the dialog - go ahead and do it.

                                            • 19. Re: How to prevent Photoshop from auto correcting the colors of my images
                                              j64253144 Level 1

                                              Ok, I did it. Apparently, there's no difference at all when I assign it because as I said on my previous post that's what it already is assigned by default. More specifically, when I assign sRGB IEC61966-2.1 (even though it is selected by its own), the red "close window" button on the top left of the image's window doesn't add a black dot in it (which is what happens when a change is made on the file and prompts you to save before exiting). The image remains as it is on the right side of the image I uploaded in the OP.

                                               

                                              If it's of any use to you here's the files:

                                               

                                              1.png

                                              (Original file downloaded from the internet)

                                               

                                              2.png

                                              (file opened and saved through Photoshop without making any edits myself, default profile assigned: sRGB IEC61966-2.1)

                                               

                                              3.png

                                              (original file opened and saved through Photoshop, only thing I did while it was in Photoshop, was to change the assigned profile to "Display".)

                                               

                                              In response to: "What if you send this file to other people, or to other devices? What are they going to do with your monitor profile? That profile applies only to that specific MacBook screen":

                                              In my computer it looks 100% exactly like the first image, are you saying in yours it doesn't?

                                               

                                              Thank you.

                                              • 20. Re: How to prevent Photoshop from auto correcting the colors of my images
                                                D Fosse Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                All right. You should have said you downloaded this from the web. A lot of files on the web are untagged and don't have a profile embedded - and indeed, this one doesn't have one either.

                                                 

                                                And that's pretty significant, because while Photoshop displays untagged material as working RGB, converted into your display profile - standard color managed display - those earlier Safari versions don't. They just pass the RGB numbers straight on without any correction at all. Effectively, you'll see the file in your display color space, not sRGB. There's a difference. They don't look the same.

                                                 

                                                The very first thing you should always do with web files, is to check whether it has a profile at all. If not, assign sRGB. That's a safe assumption. Everything produced for web will be created in sRGB with sRGB numbers, even if the profile itself is stripped.

                                                 

                                                So. The next one is the one you saved out with sRGB assigned. It looks identical, once sRGB has been assigned to the original. As of course it should.

                                                 

                                                The third is the one you assigned your display profile to. That's the odd one out - it's less saturated and slightly yellowish. That's also expected because it's the wrong profile. The file wasn't created in your display's color space, it was created in sRGB.

                                                 

                                                There's no mystery at all here, in these three. It's all as expected. Case closed (- and K'mo, you were right...)

                                                 

                                                ---

                                                 

                                                As for your insistence on using the display profile as document profile, I officially give up. You'll quickly find yourself in a total mess you can't back out from, but if you insist, what can I say.

                                                • 21. Re: How to prevent Photoshop from auto correcting the colors of my images
                                                  D Fosse Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                  BTW I don't know who marked my post #5 as correct, but whoever did should unmark it, and give the correct marking to post #6 by K'mo.

                                                  • 22. Re: How to prevent Photoshop from auto correcting the colors of my images
                                                    j64253144 Level 1

                                                    You should have said you downloaded this from the web.

                                                    I did. On post 17.

                                                     

                                                    The very first thing you should always do with web files, is to check whether it has a profile at all. If not, assign sRGB.

                                                    But if I assign sRGB the colors are changed to not desired ones. I turns into the image on the right in the OP if I do.

                                                     

                                                    As for your insistence on using the display profile as document profile, I officially give up. You'll quickly find yourself in a total mess you can't back out from, but if you insist, what can I say.

                                                    No, I'm not insisting in using the display profile. What I insist in, is merely finding a solution to the issue. I don't care which profile I'm going to assign as long as it provides a solution to the issue. The 'display profile' just so happened to provide a solution for me. Apparently, according to you, I shouldn't use it, but If I use sRGB, as you insist, I get messed up colors, the ones on the right image in OP. When I use 'display profile' I get no change in my document at all. No change on my document's colors is what I've been looking for this entire time now.

                                                     

                                                    The third is the one you assigned your display profile to. That's the odd one out - it's less saturated and slightly yellowish.

                                                    Are you telling me that the third and the first image are not 100% identical on your computer?

                                                    • 23. Re: How to prevent Photoshop from auto correcting the colors of my images
                                                      D Fosse Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                      We finally got down to the core of the issue here.

                                                      But if I assign sRGB the colors are changed to not desired ones.

                                                      This is the precise point where you misunderstand what's going on, and get off on the wrong track.

                                                       

                                                      • Your web browser - I assume Safari - is not color managing untagged material. It is not correcting the data for your display. No conversion from source to display happens, and the RGB numbers in the file are just passed straight through uncorrected.
                                                      • Photoshop does color manage everything. If no profile is there, the working RGB is assigned, and those sRGB numbers are then converted into your display profile. This way, the data are corrected for your display.

                                                       

                                                      In short: Photoshop is right. Your web browser is wrong.

                                                       

                                                      Yes, I'm telling you that the first and third images are not identical. The first and second are identical. That's because I'm viewing them all with full color management, and you're not.

                                                       

                                                      You should ditch Safari and use Firefox instead. It assigns sRGB to all untagged material, and correctly color manages everything. Safari doesn't.

                                                       

                                                      First and second:

                                                      ff_1.png

                                                      Second and third:

                                                      ff_2.png

                                                      • 24. Re: How to prevent Photoshop from auto correcting the colors of my images
                                                        j64253144 Level 1

                                                        Your web browser - I assume Safari

                                                        I use Safari, Firefox and Chrome. I just tried opening the 1st image (original file) in all 3 and I got the exact same result in all of them.

                                                         

                                                        In a nutshell, on my computer:

                                                        Preview = Safari = Firefox = Chrome = 1st image on post 19 = 3rd image on post 19 = image on the left in OP = the exact way I want the picture's colors to look like

                                                         

                                                        Also, from I see on the 2 pictures you posted:

                                                        1st image = 2nd image

                                                        and

                                                        3rd image = all the aforementioned ones (on my computer)

                                                         

                                                         

                                                        So, what is the proper way to get the colors you get on your 3rd image?

                                                        • 25. Re: How to prevent Photoshop from auto correcting the colors of my images
                                                          D Fosse Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                          I left out one bit, just to keep things focused and not go off on too many tangents at once.

                                                           

                                                          In Firefox, you have to manually enable color management mode 1. By default it's at mode 2, which is the "Safari mode" where untagged images are not color managed at all.

                                                           

                                                          Mode 1 assigns sRGB to untagged material, thereby ensuring full and correct color management to everything. You get this by typing "about:config" without the quotes in the address field, and refresh. Scroll down to gfx.color_management.mode, and change it from 2 to 1.

                                                           

                                                          Firefox is the only browser that has this option. I believe Safari behaves this way in the latest versions of Mac OS, but that doesn't apply in your case. In practice it works just like the working space in Photoshop.

                                                          • 26. Re: How to prevent Photoshop from auto correcting the colors of my images
                                                            j64253144 Level 1

                                                            Thanks for that tip.

                                                             

                                                            However, when I said "what is the proper way to get the colors you get on your 3rd image" I was referring to PS, not Firefox.

                                                             

                                                            So far, in order to get the colors of your 3rd image (while the image is imported on Photoshop), assigning profile: Display is the only way to do that for me, and since you've made it clear, this is not the route I should go.

                                                             

                                                            While, from what I understand, sRGB is the profile that should be assigned (because that is the way to get the correct colors), that alone is not saying much to me as it doesn't serve my needs, since I simply personally prefer the colors on the 3rd image of yours, and not the ones on the 1st two – even though they are considered to be the correct ones.

                                                             

                                                            So, which is the right way to get these colors on your 3rd image, while the image is opened in Photoshop?

                                                            • 27. Re: How to prevent Photoshop from auto correcting the colors of my images
                                                              Test Screen Name Most Valuable Participant

                                                              I see this differently. I see that the original poster has seen a picture in their browser, liked the colour and downloaded it. On opening he has seem in Photoshop different colours. Now he doesn't want to accept that the problem is that it's not a good picture, that Photoshop is right, and that the browser is wrong. Is this fair?

                                                              • 28. Re: How to prevent Photoshop from auto correcting the colors of my images
                                                                j64253144 Level 1

                                                                Pretty much.

                                                                 

                                                                I guess you could say that I don't care about whether the browser or PS is, technically, right or wrong.

                                                                 

                                                                I'm just looking to use the colors on the left side of the image in the OP, while the image is imported on Photoshop. That's it.

                                                                 

                                                                And then when I export/save it from PS and upload it somewhere, to still use the same variation of colors, not the one that PS overrides it with, again, whether it's right or wrong.

                                                                 

                                                                Thank you.

                                                                • 29. Re: How to prevent Photoshop from auto correcting the colors of my images
                                                                  D Fosse Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                                  Color correcting images is not about throwing the wrong icc profile at it. If bad color on the web is the standard, I don't have anything to contribute. The original question is answered.

                                                                  • 30. Re: How to prevent Photoshop from auto correcting the colors of my images
                                                                    Test Screen Name Most Valuable Participant

                                                                    Ok, I think we're on the same page. There's been a lot following from your initial and very clear assertion that this is a Photoshop bug, and hence people have put a lot of energy into proving that it isn't. But what matters is that you see this image with the colour mix you like, and you want to get into Photoshop what you see. And, presumably, go somewhere from there - make something in Photoshop from that image, and also see it as you want. That could be harder. As you've found, you can tag the image with the monitor profile, and you see what you want in Photoshop. But people are drawing your attention to this having problems later, and probably looking even less like you want.

                                                                     

                                                                    Now, I'm stronger on theory than practice, but perhaps people can critique this idea.

                                                                     

                                                                    1. Get the image into Photoshop.

                                                                    2. Tag it with the monitor profile [since that is the profile needed to get the colour balance you want].

                                                                    3. Convert (not tag) it to sRGB.

                                                                     

                                                                    This sRGB image is probably (it seems to me) your best shot at an image which will look reasonably consistent on YOUR system. If your monitor is calibrated, it may also look consistent on other people's calibrated systems. Any comments?

                                                                    • 31. Re: How to prevent Photoshop from auto correcting the colors of my images
                                                                      j64253144 Level 1

                                                                      Ok, so let's see if I did it right:

                                                                       

                                                                      Step 1: I opened the original file (downloaded from the internet) with PS

                                                                      Step 2: Edit > Assign Profile > selected Profile: Display > OK

                                                                      Step 3: Edit > Convert to Profile > selected Destination Space: Profile: Working RGB - sRGB IEC61966-2.1 > OK

                                                                      Step 4: Saved file

                                                                       

                                                                      The file I got out of this process is identical to the original, i.e. the exact way I want it to be.

                                                                       

                                                                      Here's the files for you to examine:

                                                                       

                                                                      Original image:

                                                                      1.png

                                                                       

                                                                       

                                                                       

                                                                       

                                                                      File after the aforementioned process on PS:

                                                                      2.png

                                                                       

                                                                       

                                                                      On my computer they're 100% identical, would you please verify that they look the same on yours as well?

                                                                      • 32. Re: How to prevent Photoshop from auto correcting the colors of my images
                                                                        D Fosse Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                                        Yes, it would work in this particular case, as long as it's converted to sRGB after, and it's clear that this is really not the way to do it.

                                                                         

                                                                        There are several ways to dumb down Photoshop to the level of any non-color-managed application, if that's what you want, and this is one of them.

                                                                        • 33. Re: How to prevent Photoshop from auto correcting the colors of my images
                                                                          D Fosse Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                                          Summing up, in reference to the OP title, Photoshop is not altering this image. The reality is that it's seen incorrectly in a non-color managed state, on an arbirtary laptop screen - and that's what is altering the image.

                                                                           

                                                                          In other words, it's just another image with bad color. Great shot, brilliant photographer - but bad color.

                                                                           

                                                                          BTW I'm surprised no one has mentioned copyright. It could be that you're not allowed to use this image. It could also be that you are - but that depends on the intended use. That's the end user's responibility to establish. Just so it's mentioned.

                                                                          • 34. Re: How to prevent Photoshop from auto correcting the colors of my images
                                                                            Barbara Ash Adobe Community Professional

                                                                            If you're asking whether the two images look the same in your post, they do not look the same on my computer. The second one, the one that is processed, has less red.

                                                                            • 35. Re: How to prevent Photoshop from auto correcting the colors of my images
                                                                              j64253144 Level 1

                                                                              I would very much appreciate it if you could take a screenshot and upload it. Thank you in-advance.

                                                                              • 36. Re: How to prevent Photoshop from auto correcting the colors of my images
                                                                                davifrn

                                                                                since no one answered, I will answer for it (soooooo late, but I just found it)... here's the screenshot, but since I'm abroad for a while I just have a random laptop display, so color fidelty could be really low...but they still look different to me...Cattura.PNG

                                                                                BTW since non one explained it correctly, you can consider Photoshop as filtering the original color profile through the ICC profile of your monitor (said with an extremely easy explanation)...I had the same problem on this image:

                                                                                 

                                                                                Shelby_AC_Cobra.jpg

                                                                                I rendered it from C4D with an sRGB profile and tweaked on Nuke (that don't have color managing) then tried to upload it on Firefox and it turned purple! so I imported it in Photoshop to see what was going on and it was purple as well... (don't really have a screenshot for that...) but that's because Ps, as well as the browser, was reading the ICC profile of my Laptop (yeah, I know I shouldn't argue about colors from a laptop, but this is the situation at the moment) and tweaking the sRGB to make colors display as they are supposed to be...but what's the story? well, since I had the WHOLE process before Ps on a non-managing colors applications (my first render was even in .exr, which uses a linear color space) I tweaked everything on a non-filtered sRGB profile, this means that once my ICC profile was read, the colors on Ps got a mess, because they weren't those seen until that moment...and guess what? if I was assigning my ICC to the image color profile, it displayed correctly...

                                                                                • 37. Re: How to prevent Photoshop from auto correcting the colors of my images
                                                                                  D Fosse Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                                                  davifrn  wrote

                                                                                   

                                                                                  since no one answered, I will answer for it

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Did you read the preceding posts? This is fully answered and fully explained, and there's no reason to complicate this further.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Color managed applications show it correctly, non-color managed ones incorrectly. End of discussion. This is why we have color management.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  What made this a long story was that the OP preferred the wrong version over the right version. That's his right I suppose.

                                                                                  • 38. Re: How to prevent Photoshop from auto correcting the colors of my images
                                                                                    davifrn Level 1

                                                                                    i was referring to the screenshot that was asked, but not posted...

                                                                                     

                                                                                    If you read my post, you could easily see how in my situation it was Ps to be wrong with colors.

                                                                                    • 39. Re: How to prevent Photoshop from auto correcting the colors of my images
                                                                                      Danny Whitehead. Adobe Community Professional

                                                                                      No. You just preferred the appearance of colours in an application that was displaying them wrongly. Fine, so long as these colours will only ever been seen by you, on your laptop, in your non-colour-managed software. Everyone else will see something significantly different. If you want to avoid that, learn colour management. The first step is to stop disputing its base principles.

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