14 Replies Latest reply on May 21, 2018 6:43 AM by rob day

    100% size preview is not actual size (change DPI scaling)

    tobiaskucera.art Level 1

      I would like to know, how I can adjust DPI preview of documents in InDesign and Photoshop. In Acrobat I can easily change resolution to custom (in my case I want 109 pixels/inch - 2560x1440 on 27') and 100% preview is correct (when I put A4 paper on screen it fits). How can I adjust it in other Adobe software? PS in ID has both lower resolution by default (96 i guess?).

       

      Thanks.

        • 1. Re: 100% size preview is not actual size (change DPI scaling)
          rob day Adobe Community Professional & MVP

          InDesign CS6 or later displays the actual print size when you view at 100%—it automatically detects your main monitor's resolution to display the actual print size. At 100% your ruler dimensions will view at their actual size.

           

          The current Photoshop will give you the actual print size if you choose View>Print Size. In that case the zoom percentage will depend on both your monitor's and the document's resolution. Photoshop's 100% view has always previewed the image at a 1:1 monitor pixel to image pixel ratio, and would not show the actual print size unless the image resolution happened to match your monitor resolution.

           

          Prior to CS6 InDesign also used the 1:1 ratio for 100% views and in that case you were not seeing the actual print size.

          • 2. Re: 100% size preview is not actual size (change DPI scaling)
            Thomas Dearie Level 2

            I'm getting a similar problem in Adobe Illustrator CC 2018

            I have to choose 150% to get actual size display on my 27"iMac
            (2560x1440).

             

            Any idea if this is a bug?

             

            Thanks

             

            T.

            • 3. Re: 100% size preview is not actual size (change DPI scaling)
              rob day Adobe Community Professional & MVP

              I have to choose 150% to get actual size display on my 27"iMac

              If by actual size you mean the print output size, then no it's not a bug. Illustrator's view scale is the same as Photoshop's where 100% doesn't equal the print output size, but a 1:1 monitor to image pixel ratio. The current Photoshop has View>Print Size which will calculate the zoom level for a print output view on the fly (it depends on your monitor's ppi resolution and the image res), but Illustrator does not have that view in its View menu.

               

              Illustrator and InDesign's pixel ruler unit both equal 1/72", so you can get the print view by dividing your monitor resolution by 72. Your 27" iMac should be running at 109ppi, so the percentage would be 151.4%—close to what you guessed (109/72)x100=1.51388889

              • 4. Re: 100% size preview is not actual size (change DPI scaling)
                Thomas Dearie Level 2

                Yes, thanks Rob.

                 

                I know how to calculate the offset between the screen rep and output size  (been teaching that bit of arithmetic in my visual design classes for many years).

                 

                I was just wondering if this behaviour is the current normal state for Illustrator at this point in time.

                I had thought they had changed that - but apparently that was my fervid and hopeful imagination =: )

                 

                I've been hoping they'd add a feature to differentiate between actual size (output dimension) and 1:1 relative to screen res.

                It's an easy workaround, but still pesky.

                • 5. Re: 100% size preview is not actual size (change DPI scaling)
                  rob day Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                  Before CS6 InDesign also used the 1:1 100% view and there was a steady flow of complaints about the rulers no being visually accurate at 100%. When Adobe made the change to 100% = print size, the screen designers immediately started complaining about the mismatch with Photoshop.

                  • 6. Re: 100% size preview is not actual size (change DPI scaling)
                    Thomas Dearie Level 2

                    Yes.

                    That's why differentiation is needed.
                    You need a different value depending on the output destination.
                    So it's better to have both options.

                     

                    Screen 1:1 is not really actual size, though it's an important value when we're working for screen output.

                     

                    Actual Size, strictly speaking, is the output dimension on whichever device you're outputting to (whether that be a screen or a printer).
                    It's the actual real-world dimensions a viewer sees when the image is output.

                     

                     

                    For screen, output size varies depending on the screen resolution of the user's device — it's typically device dependent.

                     

                    For print, output size is typically device independent.
                    It's the real word size of something when it comes out of your printer and will be the same size no matter what printer you print to.

                     

                    So we need two menu choices, depending on whether we're in print or screen workflow:
                    Actual size (output) for print; and
                    1:1 (display to image pixel dimensions) for screen

                     

                    One value will never suit for both purposes, regardless of what we call them.

                     

                    We won't die if it doesn't happen, but it's a bit of a nuisance that's been hanging around for a long time.

                    • 7. Re: 100% size preview is not actual size (change DPI scaling)
                      rob day Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                      You could do a feature request, but I think any change would have its own set of issues.

                       

                      For screen design the 1:1 view concept has become less meaningful now that Google is penalizing websites that are not mobile friendly. It's futile to design a page to a specific device pixel dimension or aspect ratio because the mobile friendly directive forces the developer to code the page so its content rearranges and scales itself to the device. You might choose to carefully design to a specific pixel dimension, but those dimensions will likely change in the device's browser making the matching views irrelevant.

                       

                      InDesign does have a preference that is not in the GUI, which lets you change the scale.

                       

                      This Applescript sets the page to a 1:1 view—66% on our 27" iMac:

                       

                      tell application "Adobe InDesign CC 2018"
                          set x to main monitor ppi of general preferences
                          set zoom percentage of active window to (72 / x) * 100
                      end tell
                      
                      • 8. Re: 100% size preview is not actual size (change DPI scaling)
                        Thomas Dearie Level 2

                        Yes. Thanks.
                        I put a feature request in about 15 years ago and again a couple of times since then (along with every other designer I know).

                         

                        Your comment re responsive design is precisely what I mean when I say screen output is device dependent.
                        It's one of the reasons our view needs are different when designing for screen from when designing for print, and why we need to flip back and forth between the two views.

                         

                        So it would be great if the apps didn't conflate the two concepts of actual output size and 1:1 pixel ratio, and stayed consistent from app to app.

                         

                        I don't use InDesign for screen, so 1:1 view's not an issue for me there, though you've suggested it might be for others.
                        In Illustrator, I need both, and so it would be best if each view had its own menu choice.

                         

                         

                        Still — your reply told me that Actual Output Size view in Illustrator still hasn't been implemented, and that it's not a bug—which was my original question.

                        So thanks!

                         

                        Back to work   —   at 150% view     =8 • )

                        • 9. Re: 100% size preview is not actual size (change DPI scaling)
                          rob day Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                          I don't use InDesign for screen, so 1:1 view's not an issue for me there, though you've suggested it might be for others.

                          In Illustrator, I need both, and so it would be best if each view had its own menu choice.

                          Now there's the added complication of how browsers handle Retina or HiDPI displays.

                           

                          Photoshop 100% 72dpi is too small on Mac Retina Display

                          • 10. Re: 100% size preview is not actual size (change DPI scaling)
                            Thomas Dearie Level 2

                            Yes. And more to come. : )
                            Cheers

                            • 11. Re: 100% size preview is not actual size (change DPI scaling)
                              ishbelt69765476

                              Nope!

                              I am using InDesign CS 2018. My monitor is a 2560x1440 27" monitor. A page which should be 153x123 (~4"x6") is coming out at 133mm x 88mm at "Actual Size", about 15% too small. I have double monitors and the second monitor is also 27" but only HD (1920x1080), when I slide indesign to that monitor it is far too big - so we can ignore that monitor.

                              There doesn't seem to be a monitor/resolution setting in InDesign  , not in Preferences nor the View menu.

                              I am using windows 10 professional 64 with an Nvidia GeForce GTX 980 Ti (4gb) graphics card.

                               

                              Is there a setting somewhere else I should be looking at?

                              • 12. Re: 100% size preview is not actual size (change DPI scaling)
                                rob day Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                A page which should be 153x123 (~4"x6") is coming out at 133mm x 88mm at "Actual Size", about 15% too small.

                                Just to clarify, by "coming out" you mean the window's ruler units displayed size? So if you show rulers, set them to inches, with the  zoom view to 100%, and you use a physical ruler to measure the ruler display, 1 inch measures as .85"?

                                 

                                InDesign uses the primary monitor's resolution to calculate the display of the print output size, so a second monitor's 100% is never an accurate print view.

                                 

                                Is there a setting somewhere else I should be looking at?

                                If you are looking for Photoshop's 1:1 view at 100%, here is a JS version of the script I posted in #7.

                                 

                                app.generalPreferences.customMonitorPpi = 72;
                                app.generalPreferences.useCustomMonitorResolution = true;
                                
                                • 13. Re: 100% size preview is not actual size (change DPI scaling)
                                  Laubender Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                  Hi,

                                  cannot try it right now on Windows 10, so I can only report from an iMac ( Retina 5K, 27" Monitor  ) where my InDesign CC 2018.1 is showing the right size at 100% automatically. Not super-exactly but very close.

                                   

                                  Since you are on a PC you cannot use AppleScript. Instead you could use ExtendScript ( JavaScript ). Can you tell what's the result for the two little ExtendScript code snippets below is?

                                   

                                  // 1. Snippet showing app.generalPreferences.customMonitorPpi
                                  ( function()
                                  {
                                  var customMonitorPpi = app.generalPreferences.customMonitorPpi;
                                  alert( "customMonitorPpi:"+"\r"+customMonitorPpi );
                                  }() )
                                  

                                   

                                  // 2. Snippet showing app.generalPreferences.mainMonitorPpi
                                  ( function()
                                  {
                                  var mainMonitorPpi = app.generalPreferences.mainMonitorPpi;
                                  alert( "mainMonitorPpi:"+"\r"+mainMonitorPpi );
                                  }() )
                                  

                                   

                                  Oh. And do you some scaling of the UI?

                                  Maybe that's a factor as well. ( Only an assumption, I could be wrong on this! )

                                   

                                  Regards,
                                  Uwe

                                  • 14. Re: 100% size preview is not actual size (change DPI scaling)
                                    rob day Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                    Also, 4"x6" = 101.6 x 152.4 mm, so I'm not sure where you are getting 153x123 or 133x88? Are these physical measurements of the display?