4 Replies Latest reply on Oct 6, 2008 11:57 AM by Newsgroup_User

    Is it Fireworks or myself who is a joke??

    arcticmike
      I am SO frustrated right now. I saw a video tutorial about web design and how to touch up an old site where they jumped back and forth between Dreamweaver and Firewoks, having created the basic layout in FW and then simply clicking the Edit-button in DW to go back, make some quick changes and clicking Done and everything was just heaven. Trying to do it myself, I just always end up wanting to throw the computer through the window, constantly recieving useless error messages that never tell me WHAT is wrong, just that something IS wrong, forcing me to retrace my steps and often starting from scratch...

      PLEASE tell me this is just me being stupid, because the workflow seems SO amazing. But I just can't get the work to flow at all. I am starting a small graphics design company and had high hopes for this mix of DW and FW, but I am gun shy now, seeing how the tiniest mistake can cause a total disaster. Has anyone else experienced my frustration? Are there some new miracles in CS4 that will make my day? Is it really common practice to work like this?

      Sorry if I come off a bit negative, but I am really frustrated about this...
        • 1. Re: Is it Fireworks or myself who is a joke??
          JoeDaSilva Level 4
          I don't work like that no. But I have used the "edit in Fireworks" dialog that you speak of and it works pretty seamlessly for me. Did you install both Dreamweaver and Fireworks from the same suite?
          • 2. Re: Is it Fireworks or myself who is a joke??
            Level 7
            It would be helpful if you gave us the link to the tutorial giving you
            the problem. Also knowing what error messages you are receiving and
            specifically what problems you are having would be helpful.

            Aside from that, however, I only use round trip editing to fix images. I
            do not use or rely on the html generated by Fireworks for actual web
            pages, because the resulting pages are a very rigid table based design,
            made completely of images.

            I create my graphics in FW, do my web work in DW, much like Joey has
            indicated.

            CS4 has a new export feature called CSS and Images, but even with
            that,it takes careful planning and you need to have a good understanding
            of CSS in order to make adjustments within Drreamweaver.



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            • 3. Is it Fireworks or myself who is a joke??
              arcticmike Level 1
              Thank you for your replies, Joey and Jim!

              The tutorial is Lynda.com's "Extreme web site makeover", and it is really very good and informative. I work the same way, but with varying results to say the least:

              1 - Creating the basic layout in PS, saving as .psd
              2 - Opening the .psd in FW, slicing it up with the slice tool, and exporting as either html or images. Saving layout as .png.
              3 - Opening html in DW, saving as template file, from which I create multiple page with CSS and main text, etc.

              When I need to edit the original layout .png-file (perhaps adding a dropdown menu), I click "edit" in DW, and then return to FW. Error messages range from "the table structure is different" to "Internal error. Can't open file". I guess I have somehow altered something (maybe by removing an image or accidentally changing something in the table). I only whish FW could inform me WHERE the problem is.

              Would it be better to create only the dropdown menu in FW and inserting it into the DW file? Should I avoid using tables altogether? Is this workflow totally wrong? The process of creating the graphic layout in PS, the creating slices in FW and finally exporting to DW for the final touches sounds like heaven for someone like me, who is is a graphics designer at heart.

              I use the CS3 suite.
              • 4. Re: Is it Fireworks or myself who is a joke??
                Level 7
                arcticmike wrote:
                > Thank you for your replies, Joey and Jim!
                >
                > The tutorial is Lynda.com's "Extreme web site makeover", and it is really very
                > good and informative. I work the same way, but with varying results to say the
                > least:
                >
                > 1 - Creating the basic layout in PS, saving as .psd
                > 2 - Opening the .psd in FW, slicing it up with the slice tool, and exporting
                > as either html or images. Saving layout as .png.
                > 3 - Opening html in DW, saving as template file, from which I create multiple
                > page with CSS and main text, etc.
                >
                > When I need to edit the original layout .png-file (perhaps adding a dropdown
                > menu), I click "edit" in DW, and then return to FW. Error messages range from
                > "the table structure is different" to "Internal error. Can't open file". I
                > guess I have somehow altered something (maybe by removing an image or
                > accidentally changing something in the table). I only whish FW could inform me
                > WHERE the problem is.
                >
                > Would it be better to create only the dropdown menu in FW and inserting it
                > into the DW file? Should I avoid using tables altogether? Is this workflow
                > totally wrong? The process of creating graphics in PS, the creating slices in
                > FW and finally exporting to DW for the final touches sounds like heaven for
                > someone like me, who is is a graphics designer at heart.
                >
                > I use the CS3 suite.
                >
                I'd stay clear of the drop down menus, period. There are many posts on
                that feature in this forum, none of them positive. There are other
                commercial menu packages you can purchase which are much better and more
                flexible. Check out Project Seven's web site for some very good ones.

                Tables are not "wrong" but how Fireworks uses them makes for a very
                inflexible and inaccessible html page layout. The html created by FW is
                really more suitable for a click-through prototype, not a final site.

                The preference these days is to move to CSS-based positioning for
                layout, but it sounds like that may be a bit beyond your current skill
                level. So sticking with tables may be a better option for you at the
                moment, but build your page structure in Dreamweaver, a program designed
                to do this. As soon as you change anything in an FW generated page while
                in Dreamweaver, and try to edit the design by going back to FW, you will
                run into the error you mention. Better just to open FW independently,
                edit the design, and re-export the slices. Assuming your slice
                dimensions haven't changed, DW should update with your changes accurately.

                HTH

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