6 Replies Latest reply on May 27, 2017 9:42 AM by Vibrant Vectron

    Can Plug-Ins potentially increase performance of brush strokes?

    Vibrant Vectron

      I've ran through all the troubleshooting steps, and managed to clear up a few issues. Wacom driver was bad, and Intel driver was bad (had to manually install). Based on the minimum requirements I'd assume you don't need a crazy powerful machine to have Photoshop CC work efficiently, however there is a lot of unclear speculation. From what I've read a lot of people say previous CS versions had fewer issues, others say it's a hardware/software outside the program itself (however, on numerous threads I've seen high-end devices incur the same exact issues). I'm not sure if I installed something incorrectly again, have a bad build, or if it's a bug. I am sure that I only experience such issues in Photoshop (compared to Corel, Clip, Sai, etc.). I know there's software/coding team running hundreds of tests on certain builds, but I'm not sure if they're doing everything to ensure smooth performance across a multitude of device types.

                  More specifically, in Corel I can use a complex, low-spacing +300px brush with little to no lag (with +300ppi files). This is the same as the others. So I'm wondering if they use better optimization for faster writing. I must work with portability, and 0/3 devices results are the same. Open CL is also disabled. I'm also not sure if the machines Adobe runs tests on are the same as a lot of consumer platforms, as this is a very gray area.

       

      I know plug-ins enhance certain image processing features, or can change UI configuration. I don't know if they could make it easier for some lower-end devices to allow Photoshop to take better advantage of GPU for painting/filtering/adjustments.

       

       

      Here are my Specs below (they're not high-end, but really?):

       

      Adobe Photoshop Version: 2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967  x64
      Number of Launches: 1
      Version: 10 or greater
      System architecture: Intel CPU Family:6, Model:14, Stepping:9 with MMX, SSE Integer, SSE FP, SSE2, SSE3, SSE4.1, SSE4.2, AVX, AVX2, HyperThreading
      Physical processor count: 2
      Logical processor count: 4
      Processor speed: 2400 MHz
      Built-in memory: 8060 MB
      Free memory: 3611 MB
      Memory available to Photoshop: 6910 MB
      Memory used by Photoshop: 70 %
      History Thumbnails: Enabled.
      Touch Bar: Enabled.
      Alias Layers: Disabled.
      Modifier Palette: Enabled.
      Highbeam: Enabled.
      Image tile size: 128K
      Image cache levels: 6
      Font Preview: Medium
      TextComposer: Latin
      Display: 1
      Display Bounds: top=0, left=0, bottom=768, right=1366
      OpenGL Drawing: Enabled.
      OpenGL Allow Old GPUs: Not Detected.
      OpenGL Drawing Mode: Advanced
      OpenGL Allow Normal Mode: True.
      OpenGL Allow Advanced Mode: True.
      AIFCoreInitialized=1
      AIFOGLInitialized=1
      OGLContextCreated=1
      NumGLGPUs=1
      NumCLGPUs=1
      NumNativeGPUs=0
      glgpu[0].GLVersion="4.1"
      glgpu[0].IsIntegratedGLGPU=0
      glgpu[0].GLMemoryMB=1024
      glgpu[0].GLName="Intel(R) HD Graphics 620"
      glgpu[0].GLVendor="Intel"
      glgpu[0].GLVendorID=32902
      glgpu[0].GLDriverVersion="21.20.16.4664"
      glgpu[0].GLRectTextureSize=16384
      glgpu[0].GLRenderer="Intel(R) HD Graphics 620"
      glgpu[0].GLRendererID=22806
      glgpu[0].HasGLNPOTSupport=1
      glgpu[0].GLDriver="igdumdim64.dll,igd10iumd64.dll,igd10iumd64.dll,igd12umd64,igdumdim32,ig d10iumd32,igd10iumd32,igd12umd32"
      glgpu[0].GLDriverDate="20170421000000.000000-000"
      glgpu[0].CanCompileProgramGLSL=1
      glgpu[0].GLFrameBufferOK=1
      glgpu[0].glGetString[GL_SHADING_LANGUAGE_VERSION]="1.30 - Build 21.20.16.4664"
      glgpu[0].glGetProgramivARB[GL_FRAGMENT_PROGRAM_ARB][GL_MAX_PROGRAM_INSTRUCTIONS_ARB]=[1447 ]
      glgpu[0].glGetIntegerv[GL_MAX_TEXTURE_UNITS]=[8]
      glgpu[0].glGetIntegerv[GL_MAX_COMBINED_TEXTURE_IMAGE_UNITS]=[192]
      glgpu[0].glGetIntegerv[GL_MAX_VERTEX_TEXTURE_IMAGE_UNITS]=[32]
      glgpu[0].glGetIntegerv[GL_MAX_TEXTURE_IMAGE_UNITS]=[32]
      glgpu[0].glGetIntegerv[GL_MAX_DRAW_BUFFERS]=[8]
      glgpu[0].glGetIntegerv[GL_MAX_VERTEX_UNIFORM_COMPONENTS]=[4096]
      glgpu[0].glGetIntegerv[GL_MAX_FRAGMENT_UNIFORM_COMPONENTS]=[4096]
      glgpu[0].glGetIntegerv[GL_MAX_VARYING_FLOATS]=[64]
      glgpu[0].glGetIntegerv[GL_MAX_VERTEX_ATTRIBS]=[16]
      glgpu[0].extension[AIF::OGL::GL_ARB_VERTEX_PROGRAM]=1
      glgpu[0].extension[AIF::OGL::GL_ARB_FRAGMENT_PROGRAM]=1
      glgpu[0].extension[AIF::OGL::GL_ARB_VERTEX_SHADER]=1
      glgpu[0].extension[AIF::OGL::GL_ARB_FRAGMENT_SHADER]=1
      glgpu[0].extension[AIF::OGL::GL_EXT_FRAMEBUFFER_OBJECT]=1
      glgpu[0].extension[AIF::OGL::GL_ARB_TEXTURE_RECTANGLE]=1
      glgpu[0].extension[AIF::OGL::GL_ARB_TEXTURE_FLOAT]=1
      glgpu[0].extension[AIF::OGL::GL_ARB_OCCLUSION_QUERY]=1
      glgpu[0].extension[AIF::OGL::GL_ARB_VERTEX_BUFFER_OBJECT]=1
      glgpu[0].extension[AIF::OGL::GL_ARB_SHADER_TEXTURE_LOD]=0
      clgpu[0].CLPlatformVersion="2.1 "
      clgpu[0].CLDeviceVersion="2.1 "
      clgpu[0].IsIntegratedCLGPU=1
      clgpu[0].CLMemoryMB=3216
      clgpu[0].CLName="Intel(R) HD Graphics 620"
      clgpu[0].CLVendor="Intel(R) Corporation"
      clgpu[0].CLVendorID=32902
      clgpu[0].CLDriverVersion="21.20.16.4664"
      clgpu[0].CLBandwidth=1.12129e+10
      clgpu[0].CLCompute=163.896
      License Type: Subscription
      Serial number: 96040831800017340995
      GUIDBucket:
        bucket: 35
        test: control
      Application folder: C:\Users\Vibrant Vectron\Desktop\Adobe Photoshop CC 2017\
      Temporary file path: C:\Users\VIBRAN~1\AppData\Local\Temp\
      Photoshop scratch has async I/O enabled
      Scratch volume(s):
        Startup, 930.4G, 866.3G free
      Required Plug-ins folder: C:\Users\Vibrant Vectron\Desktop\Adobe Photoshop CC 2017\Required\Plug-ins\
      Primary Plug-ins folder: C:\Users\Vibrant Vectron\Desktop\Adobe Photoshop CC 2017\Plug-ins\

      Installed components:
         A3DLIBS.dll   A3DLIB Dynamic Link Library   9.2.0.112  
         ACE.dll   ACE 2017/01/26-01:10:02   79.579975   79.579975
         AdbePM.dll   PatchMatch 2016/11/03:19:48:57   1.578146   1.578146
         AdobeLinguistic.dll   Adobe Linguisitc Library   10.0.0  
         AdobeOwl.dll   Adobe Owl   5.2.11  
         AdobePDFL.dll   PDFL 2016/08/10-16:53:20   79.195992   79.195992
         AdobePIP.dll   Adobe Product Improvement Program   7.4.1.60.45263  
         AdobeSVGAGM.dll   AdobeSVGAGM   79.579975   79.579975
         AdobeXMP.dll   Adobe XMP Core 2016/09/14-01:09:01   79.159824   79.159824
         AdobeXMPFiles.dll   Adobe XMP Files 2016/09/14-01:09:01   79.159824   79.159824
         AdobeXMPScript.dll   Adobe XMP Script 2016/09/14-01:09:01   79.159824   79.159824
         adobe_caps.dll   Adobe CAPS   10,0,0,6  
         AGM.dll   AGM 2017/01/26-01:10:02   79.579975   79.579975
         ahclient.dll    AdobeHelp Dynamic Link Library   2.2.0.1  
         AIDE.dll   AIDE 2016/05/27-01:08:49   79.574279   79.574279
         amtlib.dll   AMTLib (64 Bit)   10.0.0.119 BuildVersion: 10.0; BuildDate: Thu Dec 22 2016 3:0:7)   1.000000
         ARE.dll   ARE 2017/01/26-01:10:02   79.579975   79.579975
         AXE8SharedExpat.dll   AXE8SharedExpat 2015/03/13-23:40:54   79.562390   79.562390
         AXEDOMCore.dll   AXEDOMCore 2015/03/13-23:40:54   79.562390   79.562390
         Bib.dll   BIB 2017/01/26-01:10:02   79.579975   79.579975
         BIBUtils.dll   BIBUtils 2017/01/26-01:10:02   79.579975   79.579975
         boost_date_time.dll   photoshopdva   10.0.0  
         boost_signals.dll   photoshopdva   10.0.0  
         boost_system.dll   photoshopdva   10.0.0  
         boost_threads.dll   photoshopdva   10.0.0  
         cg.dll   NVIDIA Cg Runtime   3.0.00007  
         cgGL.dll   NVIDIA Cg Runtime   3.0.00007  
         CITThreading.dll   Adobe CITThreading   2.1.0.1   2.1.0.1
         CoolType.dll   CoolType 2017/01/26-01:10:02   79.579975   79.579975
         dnssd.dll   Bonjour   3,0,0,2  
         dvaaudiodevice.dll   photoshopdva   10.0.0  
         dvacore.dll   photoshopdva   10.0.0  
         dvacrashhandler.dll   Adobe Audition CC 2017   10.0.0  
         dvamarshal.dll   photoshopdva   10.0.0  
         dvamediatypes.dll   photoshopdva   10.0.0  
         dvametadata.dll   photoshopdva   10.0.0  
         dvametadataapi.dll   photoshopdva   10.0.0  
         dvametadataui.dll   photoshopdva   10.0.0  
         dvaplayer.dll   photoshopdva   10.0.0  
         dvatransport.dll   photoshopdva   10.0.0  
         dvaui.dll   photoshopdva   10.0.0  
         dvaunittesting.dll   photoshopdva   10.0.0  
         dynamiclink.dll   photoshopdva   10.0.0  
         ExtendScript.dll   ExtendScript 2016/12/13-13:10:33   80.1089815   80.1089815
         icucnv40.dll   International Components for Unicode 2014/10/31-16:52:45    Build gtlib_6.0.21339  
         icudt40.dll   International Components for Unicode 2014/10/31-16:52:45    Build gtlib_6.0.21339  
         icuuc40.dll   International Components for Unicode 2014/10/31-16:52:45    Build gtlib_6.0.21339  
         igestep30.dll   IGES Reader   9.3.0.113  
         imslib.dll   IMSLib DLL   10.0.0.11  
         JP2KLib.dll   JP2KLib 2017/04/05-14:24:38   79.266006   79.266006
         libifcoremd.dll   Intel(r) Visual Fortran Compiler   10.0 (Update A)  
         libiomp5md.dll   Intel(R) OpenMP* Runtime Library   5.0  
         libmmd.dll   Intel(r) C Compiler, Intel(r) C++ Compiler, Intel(r) Fortran Compiler   12.0  
         LogSession.dll   LogSession   7.4.1.60.45263  
         mediacoreif.dll   photoshopdva   10.0.0  
         MPS.dll   MPS 2016/09/14-15:20:26   79.577269   79.577269
         pdfsettings.dll   Adobe PDFSettings   1.04  
         Photoshop.dll   Adobe Photoshop CC 2017   18.1.1  
         Plugin.dll   Adobe Photoshop CC 2017   18.1.1  
         PlugPlugExternalObject.dll   Adobe(R) CEP PlugPlugExternalObject Standard Dll (64 bit)   7.0.0  
         PlugPlugOwl.dll   Adobe(R) CSXS PlugPlugOwl Standard Dll (64 bit)   7.0.0.67  
         PSArt.dll   Adobe Photoshop CC 2017   18.1.1  
         PSViews.dll   Adobe Photoshop CC 2017   18.1.1  
         SCCore.dll   ScCore 2016/12/13-13:10:33   80.1089815   80.1089815
         SVGRE.dll   SVGRE   79.579975   79.579975
         svml_dispmd.dll   Intel(r) C Compiler, Intel(r) C++ Compiler, Intel(r) Fortran Compiler   12.0  
         tbb.dll   Intel(R) Threading Building Blocks for Windows   4, 4, 2016, 0412  
         tbbmalloc.dll   Intel(R) Threading Building Blocks for Windows   4, 4, 2016, 0412  
         TfFontMgr.dll   FontMgr   9.3.0.113  
         TfKernel.dll   Kernel   9.3.0.113  
         TFKGEOM.dll   Kernel Geom   9.3.0.113  
         TFUGEOM.dll   Adobe, UGeom©   9.3.0.113  
         updaternotifications.dll   Adobe Updater Notifications Library   10.0.0.1 (BuildVersion: 1.0; BuildDate: BUILDDATETIME)   10.0.0.1
         VulcanControl.dll   Vulcan Application Control Library   5.3.0.16  
         VulcanMessage5.dll   Vulcan Message Library   5.3.0.16  
         WRServices.dll   WRServices Thu Jan 07 2016 04:50:10   Build 0.21960   0.21960
         wu3d.dll   U3D Writer   9.3.0.113 


      Required plug-ins:

         3D Studio 18.1.1 (2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967) - from the file “U3D.8bi”
         Accented Edges 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         Adaptive Wide Angle 18.1.1 - from the file “Adaptive Wide Angle.8bf”
         Angled Strokes 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         Average 18.1.1 (2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967) - from the file “Average.8bf”
         Bas Relief 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         BMP 18.1.1 - from the file “Standard MultiPlugin.8bf”
         Camera Raw 9.10.1 - from the file “Camera Raw.8bi”
         Camera Raw Filter 9.10.1 - from the file “Camera Raw.8bi”
         Chalk && Charcoal 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         Charcoal 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         Chrome 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         Cineon 18.1.1 (2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967) - from the file “Cineon.8bi”
         Clouds 18.1.1 (2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967) - from the file “Clouds.8bf”
         Collada 18.1.1 (2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967) - from the file “U3D.8bi”
         Color Halftone 18.1.1 - from the file “Standard MultiPlugin.8bf”
         Colored Pencil 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         CompuServe GIF 18.1.1 - from the file “Standard MultiPlugin.8bf”
         Conté Crayon 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         Craquelure 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         Crop and Straighten Photos 18.1.1 (2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967) - from the file “CropPhotosAuto.8li”
         Crop and Straighten Photos Filter 18.1.1 - from the file “Standard MultiPlugin.8bf”
         Crosshatch 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         Crystallize 18.1.1 - from the file “Standard MultiPlugin.8bf”
         Cutout 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         Dark Strokes 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         De-Interlace 18.1.1 - from the file “Standard MultiPlugin.8bf”
         Dicom 18.1.1 - from the file “Dicom.8bi”
         Difference Clouds 18.1.1 (2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967) - from the file “Clouds.8bf”
         Diffuse Glow 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         Displace 18.1.1 - from the file “Standard MultiPlugin.8bf”
         Dry Brush 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         Eazel Acquire 18.1.1 (2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967) - from the file “EazelAcquire.8ba”
         Entropy 18.1.1 (2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967) - from the file “statistics.8ba”
         Export Color Lookup Tables 18.1.1 (2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967) - from the file “Export3DLUT.8be”
         Extrude 18.1.1 - from the file “Standard MultiPlugin.8bf”
         FastCore Routines 18.1.1 (2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967) - from the file “FastCore.8bx”
         Fibers 18.1.1 - from the file “Standard MultiPlugin.8bf”
         Film Grain 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         Filter Gallery 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         Flash 3D 18.1.1 (2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967) - from the file “U3D.8bi”
         Fresco 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         Glass 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         Glowing Edges 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         Google Earth 4 18.1.1 (2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967) - from the file “U3D.8bi”
         Grain 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         Graphic Pen 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         Halftone Pattern 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         HDRMergeUI 18.1.1 - from the file “HDRMergeUI.8bf”
         HSB/HSL 18.1.1 - from the file “Standard MultiPlugin.8bf”
         IFF Format 18.1.1 - from the file “Standard MultiPlugin.8bf”
         IGES 18.1.1 (2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967) - from the file “U3D.8bi”
         Ink Outlines 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         Intel® Texture Works 1.0 - from the file “IntelTextureWorks.8bi”
         JPEG 2000 18.1.1 - from the file “JPEG2000.8bi”
         Kurtosis 18.1.1 (2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967) - from the file “statistics.8ba”
         Lens Blur 18.1.1 - from the file “Lens Blur.8bf”
         Lens Correction 18.1.1 - from the file “Lens Correction.8bf”
         Lens Flare 18.1.1 - from the file “Standard MultiPlugin.8bf”
         Liquify 18.1.1 - from the file “Liquify.8bf”
         Matlab Operation 18.1.1 (2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967) - from the file “ChannelPort.8bf”
         Maximum 18.1.1 (2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967) - from the file “statistics.8ba”
         Mean 18.1.1 (2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967) - from the file “statistics.8ba”
         Measurement Core 18.1.1 (2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967) - from the file “MeasurementCore.8me”
         Median 18.1.1 (2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967) - from the file “statistics.8ba”
         Mezzotint 18.1.1 - from the file “Standard MultiPlugin.8bf”
         Minimum 18.1.1 (2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967) - from the file “statistics.8ba”
         MMXCore Routines 18.1.1 (2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967) - from the file “MMXCore.8bx”
         Mosaic Tiles 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         Multiprocessor Support 18.1.1 (2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967) - from the file “MultiProcessor Support.8bx”
         Neon Glow 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         Note Paper 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         NTSC Colors 18.1.1 (2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967) - from the file “NTSC Colors.8bf”
         Ocean Ripple 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         OpenEXR 18.1.1 - from the file “Standard MultiPlugin.8bf”
         Paint Daubs 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         Palette Knife 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         Patchwork 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         Paths to Illustrator 18.1.1 - from the file “Standard MultiPlugin.8bf”
         PCX 18.1.1 (2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967) - from the file “PCX.8bi”
         Photocopy 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         Photoshop 3D Engine 18.1.1 (2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967) - from the file “Photoshop3DEngine.8bi”
         Photoshop Touch 14.0 - from the file “PSDX.8bi”
         Picture Package Filter 18.1.1 (2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967) - from the file “ChannelPort.8bf”
         Pinch 18.1.1 - from the file “Standard MultiPlugin.8bf”
         Pixar 18.1.1 (2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967) - from the file “Pixar.8bi”
         Plaster 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         Plastic Wrap 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         PLY 18.1.1 (2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967) - from the file “U3D.8bi”
         PNG 18.1.1 - from the file “Standard MultiPlugin.8bf”
         Pointillize 18.1.1 - from the file “Standard MultiPlugin.8bf”
         Polar Coordinates 18.1.1 - from the file “Standard MultiPlugin.8bf”
         Portable Bit Map 18.1.1 (2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967) - from the file “PBM.8bi”
         Poster Edges 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         PRC 18.1.1 (2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967) - from the file “U3D.8bi”
         Radial Blur 18.1.1 - from the file “Standard MultiPlugin.8bf”
         Radiance 18.1.1 (2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967) - from the file “Radiance.8bi”
         Range 18.1.1 (2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967) - from the file “statistics.8ba”
         Render Color Lookup Grid 18.1.1 (2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967) - from the file “Export3DLUT.8be”
         Reticulation 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         Ripple 18.1.1 - from the file “Standard MultiPlugin.8bf”
         Rough Pastels 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         Save for Web 18.1.1 - from the file “Save for Web.8be”
         ScriptingSupport 18.1.1 - from the file “ScriptingSupport.8li”
         Shake Reduction 18.1.1 - from the file “Shake Reduction.8bf”
         Shear 18.1.1 - from the file “Standard MultiPlugin.8bf”
         Skewness 18.1.1 (2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967) - from the file “statistics.8ba”
         Smart Blur 18.1.1 - from the file “Standard MultiPlugin.8bf”
         Smudge Stick 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         Solarize 18.1.1 (2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967) - from the file “Solarize.8bf”
         Spaces 18.1.1 - from the file “Spaces.8li”
         Spatter 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         Spherize 18.1.1 - from the file “Standard MultiPlugin.8bf”
         Sponge 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         Sprayed Strokes 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         Stained Glass 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         Stamp 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         Standard Deviation 18.1.1 (2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967) - from the file “statistics.8ba”
         STL 18.1.1 (2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967) - from the file “U3D.8bi”
         Sumi-e 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         Summation 18.1.1 (2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967) - from the file “statistics.8ba”
         Targa 18.1.1 - from the file “Standard MultiPlugin.8bf”
         Texturizer 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         Tiles 18.1.1 - from the file “Standard MultiPlugin.8bf”
         Torn Edges 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         Twirl 18.1.1 - from the file “Standard MultiPlugin.8bf”
         U3D 18.1.1 (2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967) - from the file “U3D.8bi”
         Underpainting 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         Vanishing Point 18.1.1 - from the file “VanishingPoint.8bf”
         Variance 18.1.1 (2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967) - from the file “statistics.8ba”
         Virtual Reality Modeling Language | VRML 18.1.1 (2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967) - from the file “U3D.8bi”
         Water Paper 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         Watercolor 18.1.1 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”
         Wave 18.1.1 - from the file “Standard MultiPlugin.8bf”
         Wavefront|OBJ 18.1.1 (2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967) - from the file “U3D.8bi”
         WIA Support 18.1.1 (2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967) - from the file “WIASupport.8li”
         Wind 18.1.1 - from the file “Standard MultiPlugin.8bf”
         Wireless Bitmap 18.1.1 (2017.1.1 20170425.r.252 2017/04/25:23:00:00 CL 1113967) - from the file “WBMP.8bi”
         ZigZag 18.1.1 - from the file “Standard MultiPlugin.8bf”

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      Duplicate and Disabled plug-ins: NONE


      Plug-ins that failed to load: NONE

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         com.adobe.inapp.purchase  2.7.122 - from the file “C:\Users\Vibrant Vectron\Desktop\Adobe Photoshop CC 2017\Required\CEP\extensions\com.adobe.DesignLibraryPanel.html\purchase.html”
         Recent Files  1.4.2 - from the file “C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Adobe\CEP\extensions\CCX_START_EXTENSION_1_4_2_009\index.html”
         Libraries  2.7.122 - from the file “C:\Users\Vibrant Vectron\Desktop\Adobe Photoshop CC 2017\Required\CEP\extensions\com.adobe.DesignLibraryPanel.html\index.html”
         Start  1.4.2 - from the file “C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Adobe\CEP\extensions\CCX_START_EXTENSION_1_4_2_009\index.html”
         Watermark CC  1.0.0 - from the file “C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Adobe\CEP\extensions\watermarkcc_en\index.html”
         Export As  3.0.8 - from the file “C:\Users\Vibrant Vectron\Desktop\Adobe Photoshop CC 2017\Required\CEP\extensions\com.adobe.photoshop.crema\PSPanel\dialog.html”
         com.adobe.preview.loader  1.3.1 - from the file “C:\Program Files\Common Files\Adobe\CEP\extensions\com.adobe.previewHD\PSLoader\loader.html”
         New Document  1.4.2 - from the file “C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Adobe\CEP\extensions\CCX_START_EXTENSION_1_4_2_009\fnft.html”
         com.adobe.experimentation.extension  2.0.0 - from the file “C:\Users\Vibrant Vectron\Desktop\Adobe Photoshop CC 2017\Required\CEP\extensions\com.adobe.experimentation.extension\index.html”
         Adobe Color Themes  6.1.0 - from the file “C:\Users\Vibrant Vectron\Desktop\Adobe Photoshop CC 2017\Required\CEP\extensions\com.adobe.KulerPanel.html\index.html”
         Device Preview  1.3.1 - from the file “C:\Program Files\Common Files\Adobe\CEP\extensions\com.adobe.previewHD\PSPanel\panel.html”
         Export As  3.0.8 - from the file “C:\Users\Vibrant Vectron\Desktop\Adobe Photoshop CC 2017\Required\CEP\extensions\com.adobe.photoshop.crema\PSPanel\dialog.html”
         preview-basic  1.0.0 - from the file “C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Adobe\CEP\extensions\watermarkcc_en\preview\preview-basic.html”

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        • 1. Re: Can Plug-Ins potentially increase performance of brush strokes?
          JJMack Most Valuable Participant

          Many have trouble with lag using Photoshop Brushes and Pen Tablets.  Often it is cause by Configuration settings.  Even with all a set well users will set  unrealistic Photoshop brush settings for what they are doing.   If you working on a very large image zoom way out so you can see and work on the whole image.  It  you set a large brush tip size and spacing 1%   even with the simplest tip there will be lag.  A brush stroke will be modifying millions of pixels with 1% spacing these pixels need to be rendered the the result scaled to fit you zoomed out view.    A Plug-in is not going to be able to speed this process up unless it replaces Photoshop brushes and engine with its own engine and brushes.  If it uses Photoshop engine and brushes it would add to the paths length.

           

          A plug in can help in other ways to smooth and help control the brush strokes help with lines and shapes and drawing. For example

          • 2. Re: Can Plug-Ins potentially increase performance of brush strokes?
            Vibrant Vectron Level 1

            I understand everything you just said about brush strokes. I also now acknowledge that plug-ins can't address this issue. I've tried multiple operating systems, even SSD as a scratch disk, and still no improvement. Unless I were to use the most high-end machines, Gb/s-writing SSD, and Accelerated GPU it's always going to lag. I don't know what so called people who don't experience these issues are using, but it would cost an average $5k-$7k to build a machine like that. That's a car or college, that's rent, or that's someone's student loans.

                      For all those who have potential to excel without compromise, I'd say it's very degenerative; when Adobe can simple make better code that will run with most PC's. I've seen apps that do this, I'm sure Photoshop can too, instead of throwing the ball around blaming manufactures for performance issues with Adobe's own software. It's going to work one way or the other, I'm sure there are countless enthusiasts experiencing the same thing. And I'm PRETTY sure no software is ever "perfect" or error-proof.

             

            Every question I've searched, in these forums regarding this issue revolve around some other problem (except the one that really needs to be fixed). It's usually the case of some bug, or driver issue. If I knew, I'd probably try to fix it myself. Which begs a better question... What device have you used where you've visually seen Photoshop run with little-no lag (huge documents, huge pixel operations, occasionally huge brushes, etc.)?

            • 3. Re: Can Plug-Ins potentially increase performance of brush strokes?
              Vibrant Vectron Level 1

              Also the way you described how Photoshop renders brush strokes is like how 3d applications render images, videos, and games. They use Open GL/CL and GPU the same if not even more extensively, but a simple 200mb stroke takes 5-10s to process (including dynamics from pressure, tilt, etc.). So if other software can be optimized why can't Photoshop? It doesn't sound impossible.

              • 4. Re: Can Plug-Ins potentially increase performance of brush strokes?
                davescm Adobe Community Professional

                If you want to try a test to see whether the brush lag you are experiencing is normal or is out of the ordinary try this test. Note this will give an extreme lag but it will give you a comparison.

                 

                1. Make a square document 30,000 pixels x 30,000 pixels (8bit RGB) and filled with white

                2. In the info panel go to the square at the top right and in Panel options check "Timing"

                3. Select the round brush and set it to 5000 px size and 100% hardness. Also set spacing to 1% and color to black

                4. Zoom out so you can see the whole image

                4. Click on one corner and shift click on the opposite diagonal.

                The brush will ..slowly, draw from corner to corner

                Once finished the time it took will be shown in the info panel.

                 

                On my i7 -3930K with 64 GB ram and AMD7970 card that takes 26 seconds.

                Hopefully that will give you something to compare with.

                 

                Dave

                • 5. Re: Can Plug-Ins potentially increase performance of brush strokes?
                  JJMack Most Valuable Participant

                  Photoshop was developed as an Image editor not a painting program.   A program developed as a painting and drawing may have a different way to display your work.   Work on and display the small scaled down zoomed out image and render the larger real image in the background.   You may then not notice the lag till you zoom in to see the images actual pixels  then you may find the application is still rendering the actual images pixel in the background process the has not finished yet.

                   

                  In Photoshop if you Zoom in to 100% actual pixels or greater than 100%  You may see some lag on a 8k Display where you are working on over 30 million pixels.   I would think though on 1K 1920x1080 display where your working on 2 million pixels you will not see any lag.

                   

                  I not a painter so I have no painting program so I do not know how they work.     Do painting applications support canvas sizes like 30,000px by 30,000px   900 million pixels per layer that need blending while painting  and display no brush strok lag .

                  • 6. Re: Can Plug-Ins potentially increase performance of brush strokes?
                    Vibrant Vectron Level 1

                    Hey Dave,

                    I tried your test. Those dimensions are moderately big. It took a few minutes (162.3s) to render that, with low-end specs. It would require something beyond today to be near flawless. Only a processor like yours (or better), overclocked 8x (~25.6GHz) with liquid nitrogen cooling system, insane GPU, and a 1-3Tb/s SSD might come close. But that's not base-line in consumer products, not even for most CC users; that's experimental and probably won't be commonly seen in computing hardware until a few decades.

                            I'd also never work image dimensions like that. Even in small files, the problem is the same.

                     

                    Hey JJ,

                    I know Corel Painter can support that, but not without issues. However, in regard to brush lag my workflow is still faster in Corel. I understand the complexity: either I change the way I use Photoshop, get a better machine, or just give up. One alternative is slightly better than the other, but all 3 induce stress regardless.

                     

                    I'm going to attempt to overclock my processor and install CC directly on SSD. It probably won't change anything, however. This is simply an unresolvable issue for the time being.