9 Replies Latest reply on Oct 18, 2008 8:29 PM by Newsgroup_User

    Is it a Bug? Integration between Dreamweaver and Fireworks is broken in somewhere?

    damlays
      I can not upload images related my topic here but you can see it in the same topic at
      http://www.fireworksguruforum.com/index.php?showtopic=14282


      I use CS3 Suite. It is a big trouble for me in working on real pages. Integration is broken in somewhere else and after that point it becomes impossible to work on Fireworks through Dreamweaver.

      I've made test to show this trouble and I narrowed the problem to the pictures as shown in the figures below,

      1) In figure one I am creating a completely new Fireworks file as arrow.png with two frames and one slice in it. After I am saving it as .png I am exporting it as .html with images in /images subfolder.

      2) After saving and closing the file in Fireworks, in figure two, I am opening the html in Dreamweaver and changing the page properties by writing zeros to page margins and by changing the default font.

      -----I guess in this point something happens which breaks the integration between FW and DW--------because;

      3) In figure three I am opening the .png through Dreamweaver (by "Edit") and changes the place and size of the slice a little bit

      4) When I press Done in Fireworks I see this picture in figure four in Dreamweaver which shows integration between FW and DW about table structure is broken. (In this point if I add any behaviur to the slice DW doesn't recognize it, or any other change in FW can not be recognized by DW)

      5) In order to show this broken integration in table sturucture, I am putting a new slice to png when Editing from DW in FW.

      6) When I click on Done in DW I see this picture on the figure six. Beacuse FW doesn't have any effect on html's table structure code.


      I can not upload images related my topic here but you can see it in the same topic at
      http://www.fireworksguruforum.com/index.php?showtopic=14282

        • 1. Re: Is it a Bug? Integration between Dreamweaver and   Fireworks   is broken in somewhere?
          Level 7
          damlays wrote:
          > I can not upload images related my topic here but you can see it in the same
          > topic at
          > http://www.fireworksguruforum.com/index.php?showtopic=14282
          >
          >
          > I use CS3 Suite. It is a big trouble for me in working on real pages.
          > Integration is broken in somewhere else and after that point it becomes
          > impossible to work on Fireworks through Dreamweaver.
          >
          > I've made test to show this trouble and I narrowed the problem to the pictures
          > as shown in the figures below,
          >
          > 1) In figure one I am creating a completely new Fireworks file as arrow.png
          > with two frames and one slice in it. After I am saving it as .png I am
          > exporting it as .html with images in /images subfolder.
          >
          > 2) After saving and closing the file in Fireworks, in figure two, I am opening
          > the html in Dreamweaver and changing the page properties by writing zeros to
          > page margins and by changing the default font.
          >
          > -----I guess in this point something happens which breaks the integration
          > between FW and DW--------because;
          >
          > 3) In figure three I am opening the .png through Dreamweaver (by "Edit") and
          > changes the place and size of the slice a little bit
          >
          > 4) When I press Done in Fireworks I see this picture in figure four in
          > Dreamweaver which shows integration between FW and DW about table structure is
          > broken. (In this point if I add any behaviur to the slice DW doesn't recognize
          > it, or any other change in FW can not be recognized by DW)
          >
          > 5) In order to show this broken integration in table sturucture, I am putting
          > a new slice to png when Editing from DW in FW.
          >
          > 6) When I click on Done in DW I see this picture on the figure six. Beacuse FW
          > doesn't have any effect on html's table structure code.
          >
          >
          > I can not upload images related my topic here but you can see it in the same
          > topic at
          > http://www.fireworksguruforum.com/index.php?showtopic=14282
          >
          >
          >
          I can reproduce your results, but I don't consider this a bug; just a
          limitation of Roundtrip editing.

          You can't add or change slices without re-exporting the html from
          Fireworks. Roundtrip is for image editing, not for altering the table
          structure. If I edit, and re-export, my table remains intact.

          If you want to edit the slices and resulting html, open the PNG file
          independently of Dreamweaver, change your slices and images and then
          choose File > Update HTML (this option is not available when in
          Roundtrip mode). FW will ask you to locate the html file. When located,
          you will have the options of

          Replace Images and Their HTML - replaces the previous Fireworks HTML.

          Update Images Only - overwrites only the images.

          As an aside, the rigid table created by FW is rarely desirable for a
          production web site.

          HTH
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          • 2. Re: Is it a Bug? Integration between Dreamweaver and Fireworks is broken in somewhere?
            damlays Level 1
            Thank you for the answer.

            But are you sure it is not a a bug?

            Because until I make some changes in the "page properties" I can change everthing (including slices, table structure, behaviours..etc) in FW (by Roundtrip) WITHOUT any problem.

            I've made a lot of tests in order to understand the cause of this problem. Everything was working perfect about integration between DW & FW. But -everytime- when I change the page properties and save the page in DW, integration begins not working correct after that point.
            • 3. Re: Is it a Bug? Integration between Dreamweaver and   Fireworks   is broken in somewhere?
              Level 7
              damlays wrote:
              > Thank you for the answer.
              >
              > But are you sure it is not a a bug?
              >
              > Because until I make some changes in the "page properties" I can change
              > everthing (including slices, table structure, behaviours..etc) in FW (by
              > Roundtrip) WITHOUT any problem.
              >
              > I've made a lot of tests in order to understand the cause of this problem.
              > Everything was working perfect about integration between DW & FW. But
              > -everytime- when I change the page properties and save the page in DW,
              > integration begins not working correct after that point.
              >

              If you feel it is a bug, report it to Adobe's bug list.

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              • 4. Re: Is it a Bug? Integration between Dreamweaver and Fireworks is broken in somewhere?
                heathrowe Most Valuable Participant
                I just made some roundtrip edits (simple slice changes) without a problem.

                I think what your missing damlays, is this:
                You need two things
                1. Define a site in Dw (then from Dw > File > Export to Html/Images)
                2. Then save your Fw source .png file somewhere in the defined Dw site.

                Did you do these?

                h
                • 5. Re: Is it a Bug? Integration between Dreamweaver and Fireworks is broken in somewhere?
                  damlays Level 1
                  I did that. As I wrote I've made many many tests. Besides, Jim Babbage had the same results like me.

                  But it is interesting why didn't you have the same results. Did you do everyting like that is seen on steps. For example did you save the DW file after you^'ve made the changes in the page properties. (Because if you go into roundtrip without saving html in DW, it results like there is no problem)

                  And what is your built number for FW and DW?
                  mine is 3481 for DW - 1188 for FW
                  • 6. Re: Is it a Bug? Integration between Dreamweaver and Fireworks is broken in somewhere?
                    heathrowe Most Valuable Participant
                    You don't mention anything about defining a site nor save the .png to that site, thats why I suggested it. :)

                    Dreamweaver CS3 (3481)/Fw CS4 public beta.

                    Here's what I did:
                    Dw - Defined site on local drive.
                    Fw - File > Export > Html/images to the Dw defined site.
                    Fw - Saved the png source file anywhere to the Dw defined site.
                    Dw - Opened the html file.
                    Here I have two options.
                    A. Select an img tag, go to the PI click the Edit in Fw button. You should be prompted to edit either the selected image or edit the source .png. Since I want to alter a slice (as you did) I choose to edit source .png.
                    B. Select the table tag within the html file, go to the PI, and it will also prompt you to Edit in Fw. Except in this case, it actually tells you to edit the Source png (in the PI). This may be the better option since you want to roundtrip slice modifications.

                    So I opted for B option mentioned above. It takes me back to Fw, with the same original source .PNG. I change a slice size, and add a new one. Click Done on the tab bar. Fw will auto save the source png back to the saved location, close the file, re-mazimize Dw with the changes.

                    Hope that makes sense.

                    Couple of things that I see may cause the glitch.
                    - Don't remove the commented lines generated by Fw.
                    - Ensure the source png is INSIDE the defined site.
                    - If you went with option A, Edit Selected image, I mention above, then you are actually only editing the outputted optimized image (gif or jpg), and not the original Source. If you do it this way, and try to squeeze another slice in there, thats where you will see the 'disjointed' behavior. This method is only ok if you want to keep the same dimesions but edit the contents of the image (ie, within the same slice area).

                    h
                    • 7. Re: Is it a Bug? Integration between Dreamweaver and   Fireworks   is broken in somewhere?
                      Level 7
                      heathrowe wrote:
                      > You don't mention anything about defining a site nor save the .png to that
                      > site, thats why I suggested it. :)
                      >
                      > Dreamweaver CS3 (3481)/Fw CS4 public beta.
                      >
                      > Here's what I did:
                      > Dw - Defined site on local drive.
                      > Fw - File > Export > Html/images to the Dw defined site.
                      > Fw - Saved the png source file anywhere to the Dw defined site.
                      > Dw - Opened the html file.
                      > Here I have two options.
                      > A. Select an img tag, go to the PI click the Edit in Fw button. You should be
                      > prompted to edit either the selected image or edit the source .png. Since I
                      > want to alter a slice (as you did) I choose to edit source .png.
                      > B. Select the table tag within the html file, go to the PI, and it will also
                      > prompt you to Edit in Fw. Except in this case, it actually tells you to edit
                      > the Source png (in the PI). This may be the better option since you want to
                      > roundtrip slice modifications.
                      >
                      > So I opted for B option mentioned above. It takes me back to Fw, with the same
                      > original source .PNG. I change a slice size, and add a new one. Click Done on
                      > the tab bar. Fw will auto save the source png back to the saved location, close
                      > the file, re-mazimize Dw with the changes.
                      >
                      > Hope that makes sense.
                      >
                      > Couple of things that I see may cause the glitch.
                      > - Don't remove the commented lines generated by Fw.
                      > - Ensure the source png is INSIDE the defined site.
                      > - If you went with option A, Edit Selected image, I mention above, then you
                      > are actually only editing the outputted optimized image (gif or jpg), and not
                      > the original Source. If you do it this way, and try to squeeze another slice in
                      > there, thats where you will see the 'disjointed' behavior. This method is only
                      > ok if you want to keep the same dimesions but edit the contents of the image
                      > (ie, within the same slice area).
                      >
                      > h
                      >
                      >

                      Good catches Heathrowe. Honestly, this is not a workflow I use, just
                      because I rarely use FW generated HTML in CS3.

                      My test was not as detailed, which may explain why I got the same
                      problem as damlays; I worked through a defined site, but just had the
                      PNG file sitting on the desktop.I did select the table tag in DW though,
                      so FW opened the PNG without any prompting.

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                      • 8. Re: Is it a Bug? Integration between Dreamweaver and Fireworks is broken in somewhere?
                        heathrowe Most Valuable Participant
                        Your welcome Jim :)
                        This workflow was fresh in my mind just as I assisted a friend of mind, just the other day, with a similar issue.

                        Nice to see Author penned to your signature - congrats, on that.
                        h
                        • 9. Re: Is it a Bug? Integration between Dreamweaver and   Fireworks   is broken in somewhere?
                          Level 7
                          heathrowe wrote:
                          > Your welcome Jim :)
                          > This workflow was fresh in my mind just as I assisted a friend of mind, just
                          > the other day, with a similar issue.
                          >
                          > Nice to see Author penned to your signature - congrats, on that.
                          > h
                          >
                          Thanks man. A good feeling. :-)

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