34 Replies Latest reply on Jun 5, 2017 12:29 PM by Jao vdL

    Embedded ICC PROFILE

    photofan731 Level 1

      Hi

      Mac book retinal pro  Sierra all up to date

      Using Photoshop/Lightroom cc subsription all up to date

      On exporting a Jpeg and sRGB chosen in the export, I am getting the following prompt when trying to upload an photographic image to a photographic competition website, no one else on the particular website has this problem.

      Nobody has been able to help me with this issue

      Has anyone seen this before ??

       

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        • 1. Re: Embedded ICC PROFILE
          johnrellis Most Valuable Participant

          Please upload a sample exported JPEG that has the problem to Dropbox or similar and post the sharing link here.  We can double-check that it contains an ICC profile.

          • 2. Re: Embedded ICC PROFILE
            photofan731 Level 1

            Thanks for comment, here is the imageFly Agaric Mushroom -.jpg

            • 3. Re: Embedded ICC PROFILE
              elie_di Level 3

              From Jeffrey Friedl's Online Metadata Reader:

              • 4. Re: Embedded ICC PROFILE
                elie_di Level 3

                Check your settings for the Metadata panel on the Export page:

                 

                • 5. Re: Embedded ICC PROFILE
                  photofan731 Level 1

                  Thanks for reply

                  It was sent with 'Metadata' ticked Screen Shot 2017-06-01 at 7.36.59 am.png

                  • 6. Re: Embedded ICC PROFILE
                    photofan731 Level 1

                    Two things:

                    Even though the image WAS sent with the metadata ticked.... I still got the warning NO ICC PROFILE EMBEDDED

                    Sometimes you dont want the metadata ticked only copyright ...will this result in NO ICC PROFILE EMBEDDED also??

                    • 7. Re: Embedded ICC PROFILE
                      johnrellis Most Valuable Participant

                      An ICC profile will always be embedded regardless of the Metadata export setting.

                       

                      Are you sure the photo you posted was exported from LR with the settings as shown in your first post?  I used Exiftool to examine the metadata of the sample you posted.  It has almost no metadata, and a few of the fields are ones that LR doesn't insert.

                       

                      I suggest trying the export from LR again (triple-checking the export settings) and then, rather than posting it here, upload it to Dropbox or similar and post the sharing link here. (I suggested this method before because some forum software mangles photo metadata.)

                      • 8. Re: Embedded ICC PROFILE
                        photofan731 Level 1

                        Thanks for reply

                        I don't have dropbox ( I am not good with technology!) ...is there another way to share the image rather than dragging into this post?

                        Yes I am sure I exported from LR with the above settings

                        Would it be because I have 'DEFAULT' selected in the Metadata in LR?Screen Shot 2017-06-01 at 11.32.08 am.png

                        • 9. Re: Embedded ICC PROFILE
                          johnrellis Most Valuable Participant

                          Dropbox and Google Drive are free to use -- you just sign up for an account.  I don't know of any options that are simpler, unfortunately. 

                          The options in the Metadata panel control what fields iare displayed in the panel  -- they don't affect the embedded ICC color profile.

                          • 10. Re: Embedded ICC PROFILE
                            photofan731 Level 1

                            What does affect the embedded ICC ?

                            • 11. Re: Embedded ICC PROFILE
                              johnrellis Most Valuable Participant

                              The Color Space setting in the export window's File Settings panel determines which color space is embedded:

                              But if you've selected Image Format: JPEG, then you should always get an ICC profile embedded in the exported JPEG.

                              • 12. Re: Embedded ICC PROFILE
                                photofan731 Level 1

                                Has this issue been on Adobe forums before?

                                Is there anything else I can do to right this issue?

                                • 13. Re: Embedded ICC PROFILE
                                  trshaner Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                  photofan731  wrote

                                  Has this issue been on Adobe forums before?

                                  I can't find any posts with this specific issue (JPEG Export file without an embedded ICC profile). That doesn't mean others haven't experienced the issue! Most exports to JPEG file format are assigned sRGB profile and most applications and the Web assume sRGB profile if the file has no embedded color profile. So in most cases you wouldn't be aware of the issue.

                                   

                                  photofan731  wrote

                                  Is there anything else I can do to right this issue?

                                  Try resetting your LR Preferences file as outlined below and see if that resolves the issue. Rename the file Lightroom 6 Preferences.agprefs.OLD so you can easily restore it if the issue persists.

                                   

                                  https://www.lightroomqueen.com/articles-page/how-do-i-reset-lightrooms-preferences/

                                  • 14. Re: Embedded ICC PROFILE
                                    elie_di Level 3

                                    This is a case of not just the lack of an embedded profile, but rather - as John noted above - in the image posted here there is an almost total lack of metadata although the OP says that the Export dialog was set to include most metadata. Even such basic Exif information as camera maker and model or capture date has been stripped. This makes me wonder what happened to the file after it was written by LR. I have heard of ISPs that strip metadata to narrow bandwidth and shorten upload time.

                                    • 15. Re: Embedded ICC PROFILE
                                      johnrellis Most Valuable Participant

                                      Some ideas about what's going on:

                                       

                                      - LR's Export command did not generate the photo posted above -- it was generated by some other software.  (The photo above is in big-endian byte order, whereas LR writes JPEGs in little-endian byte order. The photo above has JFIF fields, whereas LR Export doesn't add JFIF fields. The photo above is missing an embedded ICC profile and the XMP fields that LR always adds. The photo above is missing an APP14 segment that LR always adds.)

                                       

                                      - It's possible this forum's software has modified the posted photo.  Older versions of the forum software did modify photos, but my current testing indicates it no longer does.  But maybe it does sometimes.  Uploading an exported photo to Dropbox, Google Drive, or similar would eliminate this possibility.

                                       

                                      - Much more likely is that an app other than LR somewhere in the workflow is modifying the photo, or photofan731 is accidentally picking up the wrong version of the photo.

                                      • 16. Re: Embedded ICC PROFILE
                                        photofan731 Level 1

                                        Thanks for helping everyone, would be lovely to get to the end of this issue

                                        Ok last try, here is an original image

                                        a screen shot of the metadata

                                        a screen shot from 'Mac Preview' of metadata

                                        Does this help?

                                        Would resetting the LR preferences help?dandelion-6473.jpgScreen Shot 2017-06-02 at 4.23.16 pm.pngScreen Shot 2017-06-02 at 4.24.05 pm.png

                                        • 17. Re: Embedded ICC PROFILE
                                          photofan731 Level 1

                                          Just to clarfy :

                                          Does Lightroom CC embedd a ICC profile ?

                                           

                                          Photoshop has an 'embbed ICC Profile'  tick box when exporting so, If I am saving a TIFF to LR and 'not exporting out of PS' does the ICC profile embedd into the file during this process??

                                          • 18. Re: Embedded ICC PROFILE
                                            trshaner Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                            photofan731  wrote

                                            Ok last try, here is an original image

                                            a screen shot of the metadata

                                            Not sure what you mean by "original image." The posted dandelion-6473.jpg file has an embedded sRGB color profile and appears to have been resized to 1920x1280 using the LR Export module. There is no issue with this file! Does it upload to the photographic competition website without a warning message?

                                             

                                            Creator Tool

                                            Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 6.10.1 (Macintosh)

                                            LR History

                                            converted from image/x-canon-cr2 to image/jpeg,

                                            saved to new location,

                                            from image/jpeg to image/x-canon-cr2,

                                            converted from image/x-canon-cr2 to image/jpeg,

                                            saved to new location

                                            • 19. Re: Embedded ICC PROFILE
                                              trshaner Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                              photofan731  wrote

                                              Just to clarfy :

                                              Does Lightroom CC embedd a ICC profile ?

                                              ALL of LR's output modules embed an ICC Profile, including Export, Book, Slideshow, Print, and Web modules. I'm not aware of any way to prevent embedding an ICC color profile. It is possible that a corrupted LR Preferences file may cause that to happen, but your posted dandelion-6473.jpg LR export file has an embedded ICC Profile. It's not likely anything is wrong.

                                               

                                              photofan731  wrote

                                              Photoshop has an 'embbed ICC Profile'  tick box when exporting so, If I am saving a TIFF to LR and 'not exporting out of PS' does the ICC profile embedd into the file during this process??

                                              That tick box only applies to the PS Export output operations. For the 'Edit in PS' Save operation the ICC Profile is always embedded. The PS Save As operation has an embed ICC Profile check box that by default is checked. You would have to manually uncheck it.

                                               

                                              • 20. Re: Embedded ICC PROFILE
                                                photofan731 Level 1

                                                Thank you so much for your reply

                                                I am now relieved to know that I am doing the right thing

                                                I have taken the issue up with photographic club

                                                king regards

                                                Chris

                                                • 21. Re: Embedded ICC PROFILE
                                                  photofan731 Level 1

                                                  Back to stage one!

                                                  A friend upload my image to test the photographic website and did not have a problem (not a Mac user)

                                                  I did the same and got the 'no embedded ICC profile'

                                                  Any suggestions please- using MacBook Pro 13 inch Version 10.12.5 MacOS Sierra all up to date

                                                  Photoshop Lightroom CC all up to date

                                                  Must be something from my computer

                                                  Any suggestions welcome

                                                   

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                                                  • 22. Re: Embedded ICC PROFILE
                                                    trshaner Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                    This appears to be the same file that we determined is missing an embedded color profile, correct? If that's the case there is something different with the way your friend's (Windows system) file upload and your (Mac system) file upload are being processed. It could be system local or happening on the upload server side.

                                                     

                                                    Rather than trouble-shoot that issue it would be much simpler to try uploading the dandelion-6473.jpg file. I confirmed that file has an embedded sRGB color profile in reply #18. If it causes the same error message you will need to upload the dandelion-6473.jpg file to Dropbox or other file sharing site so that we can determine what's happening.

                                                    • 23. Re: Embedded ICC PROFILE
                                                      photofan731 Level 1

                                                      I have just tried as you advised ...I uploaded the dandelion -6473.jpeg on the comp site resized as  I would normally do

                                                      I got the yellow prompt again. I am sorry but  I don't have Drop Box. Any advise on the next step?

                                                       

                                                       

                                                      Dandelion1-6473.jpg

                                                      • 24. Re: Embedded ICC PROFILE
                                                        Just Shoot Me Adobe Community Professional

                                                        You can create a Free account on Dropbox to upload the file. Make it public and post the link in this thread.

                                                        • 25. Re: Embedded ICC PROFILE
                                                          trshaner Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                           

                                                           

                                                           

                                                          • 26. Re: Embedded ICC PROFILE
                                                            Jao vdL Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                            It is impossible to create a jpeg with no embedded profile from Lightroom without running it through some other software afterwards. Are you by any chance using any post process plugin such as LR/mogrify or a photoshop export action? It will show up at the very bottom of the export panel. What do you see installed in plugin manager?

                                                            • 27. Re: Embedded ICC PROFILE
                                                              photofan731 Level 1

                                                              Thanks for reply....I am only using LR then taking image to PS for edits,  SAVE as Tiff back into LR and export from LR as Jpeg sRGB

                                                              here is a screen shot of LR plug in manager

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                                                              • 28. Re: Embedded ICC PROFILE
                                                                Jao vdL Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                                And nothing selected in the last item in the export panel?

                                                                • 29. Re: Embedded ICC PROFILE
                                                                  photofan731 Level 1

                                                                  Sorry, not sure what you mean by above comment ...the screen shot is all I can see in the LR plug in manager

                                                                  • 30. Re: Embedded ICC PROFILE
                                                                    Jao vdL Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                                    In the export panel, when you export from Lightroom to a sRGB jpeg, scroll all the way to the bottom. Is there anything selected in the last section?

                                                                    • 31. Re: Embedded ICC PROFILE
                                                                      photofan731 Level 1

                                                                      This is all I that I can see

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                                                                      • 32. Re: Embedded ICC PROFILE
                                                                        Jao vdL Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                                        The important one was the post processing one. It is set to do nothing, which is what you want. The only oddity I can see here is the limit filesize option you are using. For such a small image, you really do not need to use it. Just set your quality somewhere around 85 to 95 (there is never a reason to go higher). I am saying this as this option has a history of bugginess with it often removing (or forgetting to include) metadata it shouldn't and you might be running into another bug like that.

                                                                         

                                                                        Another observation is that if you scale down to a screen size, your images will really benefit from using a bit of output sharpening. You have it turned off but when you scale down this much, the scaling induces a bit of blur that you can counteract with a bit of output sharpening. Generally the medium amount for screen is just fine. Doing this can't hurt if you're submitting to a competition.

                                                                         

                                                                        Anyway main tip here is to try exporting without limiting filesize.

                                                                        • 33. Re: Embedded ICC PROFILE
                                                                          photofan731 Level 1

                                                                          Thanks for helping with this issue, I am not very 'technical'!

                                                                          Firstly - the 'Limit file size' option - would it be ok to set file size to 100 for export images?

                                                                          Secondly - notice how the 'Quality' slider is not higlighted unless you untick the 'Limit file size option' - is this normal?

                                                                          I have ticked the output sharpening

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                                                                          • 34. Re: Embedded ICC PROFILE
                                                                            Jao vdL Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                                            You can set the file size to anything you want. Lightroom will adjust the quality to match that file size in the final output. This is why the quality slider is grayed out when you have limit file size checked. If you uncheck the file size limit, the quality slider will determine how much the image gets compressed. My own analysis shows that 85 is indistinguishable from the original except in extreme cases. There is a good and very thorough analysis here: Jeffrey Friedl's Blog » An Analysis of Lightroom JPEG Export Quality Settings  if you are interested in learning more. In general, going from quality 80 or so to 100, you do not gain any perceivable quality but your file size can grow a factor of 2 to 4, so there is almost never a reason to be at quality 100. Note that with the setting you were using (limit file size to 5100KB), you almost certainly always got quality 100 as that is a massive file size for a 1920x1080 pixel file.