16 Replies Latest reply on Jun 6, 2017 10:57 AM by fotoroeder

    secure vs. e commerce

    nilleg57851248 Level 1

      I want to sell interactive PDF's. and with a time expiration date for use.

      What will be best? To make a secure zone for each PDF in a paid secure zone or can it be done in the E commerce?

        • 1. Re: secure vs. e commerce
          Ussnorway Adobe Community Professional

          nilleg57851248  wrote

           

          I want to sell interactive PDF's. and with a time expiration date for use.

           

          what happens when the date runs out;

          • the pdf can no longer be downloaded
          • any pdf that was already downloaded deletes itself from the local system
          • if some person sets their system clock to next year (i.e, past the expiration date)
          • if that person sets their system clock back to last year... does it start working again?
          • what part of this pdf makes it interactive
          • what country [countries] is the pdf allowed to be sold in... more to the point what country is the host server where these pdf files are stored
          • 2. Re: secure vs. e commerce
            nilleg57851248 Level 1

            He he. Yes I wish nr 2 could be done :-)

             

            What I want to avoid is that my classes I do on pDF shall be spread world wide, on Facebook etc. Then my business would be finish

            So I was thinking to make a time limit for how long time my costumers can download the PDF. I know it is only a psysical border, but what else to do?

             

            In the PDF will be  text animation's and video's

            • 3. Re: secure vs. e commerce
              nilleg57851248 Level 1

              I hope to sell to all vikings all over the world

              • 4. Re: secure vs. e commerce
                Nancy OShea Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                It's not hard to put an expiration date on digital media downloads if you know how to work with server-side scripts and databases.  While the download link expires after X # of days, the media files themselves do not suddenly vanish from the user's computer.  I'm not sure if that's even possible with a downloaded PDF.

                 

                If your courses were on a secure web site instead of PDF,  and only accessible by members with a proper ID and password, you could avoid many of these problems.

                 

                This is a technical question though that should be posted in an appropriate technical forum.

                 

                 

                 

                Nancy

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                • 5. Re: secure vs. e commerce
                  Ussnorway Adobe Community Professional

                  imo pdf is the wrong tool for this job

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                  • 6. Re: secure vs. e commerce
                    nilleg57851248 Level 1

                    So If I make a secure zone in BC and add my content there it would be good?

                    Shall I then make a secure Zone for each course or can I give my costumers person access to the different courses they buy?

                     

                    To which technical forum can I post this issue?

                    • 7. Re: secure vs. e commerce
                      Dave Merchant MVP & Adobe Community Professional

                      The only possible way to 'revoke' access to a PDF file is to use Digital Rights Management, such as Adobe's LiveCycle enterprise software. Even then the file is never deleted, it simply cannot be opened with that user's login details.

                       

                      LiveCycle ES is only sold to large-scale organizations and costs run into the tens of thousands of dollars per server. For individual authors and vanity publishers, sell your work through a third party eBook distributor that handles the DRM, or forget about trying to control revocation and increase your cover price to offset the expected percentage of piracy. Unless you are selling millions of books, or the content is security classified, the costs of running a DRM system vastly outweigh the losses from pirated copies.

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                      • 8. Re: secure vs. e commerce
                        nilleg57851248 Level 1

                        But if I do not use PDF but add the content to a muse page and then do that a secure zone. Wouldn't that work?

                         

                        And if so. Do I need a secure zone foe each product? - For each course?

                        • 9. Re: secure vs. e commerce
                          Nancy OShea Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                          Have you been to Lynda.com instructional web site?  I would use that as your distribution model.  One subscription price (paid monthly or yearly) entitles users to full access of all available courses & materials.  When their subscription expires, access to the courses terminates.  I don't think that's possible to do with a Muse web site. 

                           

                           

                          Nancy

                          • 10. Re: secure vs. e commerce
                            nilleg57851248 Level 1

                            :-) That musT t be the one I have not seen. Will take a look.

                            Thank you for all your good help. It is really fantastic service :-D

                            • 11. Re: secure vs. e commerce
                              fotoroeder Level 5

                              Referencing to your additional request, where to put information for customers about courses, if you put those courses on individual subfolders/subpages so that your domain www.yourcourses.com have its courses on www.yourcourses.com/course_1 …+++

                              you could use a "disabler" widget for muse, and disable right clicks, disable text mark possibilities and disable copy text.

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                              If your course is finished, delete this subfolder. It will never be viewable on the www.

                              You could do nothing against screenshots, though.

                              You could make clear that there´s a copyright.

                               

                              Does this help?

                               

                              Uwe

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                              • 12. Re: secure vs. e commerce
                                Nancy OShea Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                Please don't suggest people use "disable right click" to protect their content.  It's no protection whatsoever. 

                                Disable Right Click: a bad joke

                                • 13. Re: secure vs. e commerce
                                  fotoroeder Level 5

                                  Hi Nancy, what you suggest for photos for me is like what for you might be the disabler.

                                  Watermarked pictures are really not nice to watch. For me as a photographer, I want people to watch pictures.

                                  Heavily watermarks for me is no solution. For this we use copyright. If somebody uses my pictures without my permission, they get an invoice .

                                  I suggested to use a disabler because nilleg57851248 was very afraid of people using the courses material after the course is finished.

                                   

                                  I am with you, that total security is not reachable. But it makes it more complicated, doesn`t it. Against people with criminal intentions, no chance, I guess.

                                   

                                  As of this reading you only advised security for photos and not for text.

                                   

                                  That writing, I think for security reasons to use system fonts instead of webfonts. System fonts in Muse are exported as pictures instead of text. So this text is not readable, and (thanks for the hint not to use disable right click) there´s no additional widget necessary.

                                   

                                  Uwe

                                  • 14. Re: secure vs. e commerce
                                    Nancy OShea Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                    Quoted from Digimarc's website:

                                    "Digital watermarking is imperceptible to human senses, Digimarc’s digital watermarking technology allows users to embed digital information into audio, images, video and printed materials in a way that is persistent, imperceptible and easily detected by computers and digital devices."

                                    Digimarc | About Digital Watermarking

                                     

                                    Nancy

                                    • 15. Re: secure vs. e commerce
                                      Nancy OShea Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                      fotoroeder  wrote

                                       

                                      System fonts in Muse are exported as pictures instead of text. So this text is not readable..

                                      Oh, that's terrible.  Images of text cannot be indexed, searched, translated, scaled or interpreted by screen readers.  For all intents & web purposes, that text does not exist.  What were they thinking?

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                                      • 16. Re: secure vs. e commerce
                                        fotoroeder Level 5

                                        They think as nilleg57851248 she likes it, that people do not use her courses after the course expired.

                                        As my suggestion from above, this page should not be found at all by google. The courses are only for her customers.

                                        It should not be copied at all. That´s, why these pages/sites should be on subfolders.

                                        I would, of course, never use system fonts for websites . My suggestion is only meant as a workaround for this security purposes .

                                        But, screenshots are still done quickly.

                                         

                                        As of this reading there was no suggestion till now for text security . This also is only a workaround for non coders.

                                        Coders might find a better solution, yet there is none, is it?

                                         

                                        At the end, what do you think about it nilleg57851248?

                                         

                                        Uwe

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