10 Replies Latest reply on Jun 25, 2017 4:02 PM by Ian Blogs

    Different margins on master page

    choc_luver Level 1

      Hello

       

      I am a little stuck

       

      I set the margins for a document under layout > margins and columns and I am just finishing a doc and applied a master to a page and noticed the margins moved.

      I can't see anywhere a different setting for the master page - I tried highlighting the master page in the pages panel and returning to layout > margins and columns but the values are the same

       

      So, is layout > margins and columns to set margins for the whole document or to a specific page?

      Is there another setting somewhere I haven't looked?

       

      Thanks

        • 1. Re: Different margins on master page
          rob day Adobe Community Professional & MVP

          So, is layout > margins and columns to set margins for the whole document or to a specific page?

          Margins are page specific. When you initially setup a document the margins you set in the New Document dialog are applied to all of the pages and master pages. To change a master page's or page's margins select the pages in the Pages panel before choosing Layout>Margins and Columns

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          • 2. Re: Different margins on master page
            BarbBinder Adobe Community Professional

            I tried highlighting the master page in the pages panel and returning to layout > margins and columns but the values are the same

            You have to pay close attention to the Pages panel when you use it to change pages. My tip is to double click the name A-Master (or B-Master or whatever you called it) to navigate to the master pages. The result in the the Pages panel is that there is highlighting behind the name and on the pages (Left image). This is different from single-clicking on A-Master, which leaves you on the pages you were on, and you just think you are on the a master. (Right image).

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            Set the margins using Layout > Margins & Columns on the master, and then apply that master to the body pages.

             

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            • 3. Re: Different margins on master page
              rob day Adobe Community Professional & MVP

              You also have to consider page overrides. The margins are like any other master page item—if you change a page's margins, that page's margins will no longer respond to a change from the master page.

               

              So here I changed my A Master to two columns with 1" margins:

               

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              But pages 2-3 don't respond because I changed those pages to 2" margins with one column earlier from the pages not the masters.

               

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              • 4. Re: Different margins on master page
                Ian Blogs Level 3

                Rob

                Can you explain further because I don't get the same result. If I change  pages to 2" margins with one column earlier from the pages then change the master to two columns all the pages change.

                • 5. Re: Different margins on master page
                  choc_luver Level 1

                  Thanks BarbBinder

                   

                  Ah yes I wasn't selecting it quite properly.

                   

                  Although now I use the double click and can see I am really on A Master, the margins are still the same as the page I am applying the master to, yet the margin definitely moves in when I apply the master

                   

                  I checked document presets and all 4 margins are set to 3p0 (even though I have set mm as standard)  Maybe this is causing something because my margins should be 13mm for all sides except inside which is 16mm.  I can't work out what 3p0 equates to

                   

                  Thanks for the help!

                  • 6. Re: Different margins on master page
                    choc_luver Level 1

                    OK I think I can see where I am going wrong but still not quite right.

                     

                    I have A master for my left pages and B master for my right pages.  My slighter larger margin of 16mm needs to be on the inside of the book, yet the margins settings for master pages doesn't have inside, it has left and right.  The settings for pages have inside and outside.

                     

                    So, I have set A master to have a right margin or 16

                    and B master to have a left margin of 16

                     

                    Thought I had cracked it.

                     

                    Added two new pages and applied the A master to the left and the B master to the right

                     

                    B page (right side page) is great, 16mm on inside, left side

                    The A page (left side page) has the 16mm in the outside box in settings yet actually it applies this to the right side edge. So I thought I mixed up the terminology but when I increase the outside setting...it increases the left side!

                     

                    I am so confused. Does anyone know what I am talking about?!

                    • 7. Re: Different margins on master page
                      rob day Adobe Community Professional & MVP
                      Can you explain further

                      A master's margins work the same way as a master's page items.

                       

                      So here all of the pages are linked to the A-Master, which has .5" margins and a master page item on each page:

                      Screen Shot 2017-06-25 at 9.22.09 AM.png

                       

                      I override the two master page items on the 4-5 spread, moved their position, and change the spread's inside margins to 2" (the 4-5 spread is selected in the pages panel, so the margin change is only applied to those pages).

                       

                      Screen Shot 2017-06-25 at 9.23.48 AM.png

                       

                      If I go back to the A-Master, move the two page items to another position, and change the spread's outside margins; you can see all of the pages except for the 4-5 spread respond to the change. 4-5's margins and page items don't change because they were overridden and moved.

                       

                      Screen Shot 2017-06-25 at 9.25.18 AM.png

                       

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                      • 8. Re: Different margins on master page
                        rob day Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                        yet the margins settings for master pages doesn't have inside, it has left and right.  The settings for pages have inside and outside.

                         

                        Sounds like you set the document up with Facing Pages unchecked and later went to Document Setup and checked Facing Pages–if you do that the pages become facing, but the masters remain as single pages:

                         

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                        If you open the master's Master Options dialog you can change the number of pages and create a spread

                         

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                        Now you should have Inside and Outside margins for the master spread

                         

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                        • 9. Re: Different margins on master page
                          choc_luver Level 1

                          Thanks Rob, spot on and stopped me going crazy!

                           

                          Not all my spreads are the same but I guess I just make a number of master spreads in the combinations I need

                           

                          Thanks for taking the time to explain to me!

                          • 10. Re: Different margins on master page
                            Ian Blogs Level 3

                            Thanks Rob.