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    What graphics card for Lightroom in July 2017?

    leszek_66 Level 1

      Hello,
      Some important questions to Lighroom experts:
      - What is the most powerful nVidia GPU?
      - how many RAM on the graphics card?
      - what do you think about HBM (amd) / HBM2 (nvidia) graphics memory?

       

      So to summarize - what graphics card for Ligroom in 07.2017?

       

      I greet all

      LP66

        • 2. Re: What graphics card for Lightroom in July 2017?
          dj_paige Level 9

          What size (in pixels) is your monitor?

          • 3. Re: What graphics card for Lightroom in July 2017?
            leszek_66 Level 1

            Thank you for your interest. Unfortunately this text does not specifically refer to Lightroom. The point is to point out the specific solutions that result in a high speed increase in the DEWELOP module. Indication of some benchmarking tests of various graphics cards and processors on 07.2017.

            • 4. Re: What graphics card for Lightroom in July 2017?
              leszek_66 Level 1

              I am using a single monitor EIZO CS240 1920x1200

              • 5. Re: What graphics card for Lightroom in July 2017?
                JimHess Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                Graphics cards for Lightroom and graphics acceleration in 2017 is primarily for users who have 4K & 5K Monitors. I don't know that you will benefit significantly from investing in a high-end graphics card for your monitor.

                • 6. Re: What graphics card for Lightroom in July 2017?
                  leszek_66 Level 1

                  Of course, they will improve the display of the image - the greater the resolution - the more so. Enabling acceleration with the graphics card only applies to the DEVELOP module, which reduces the time required for image processing! So what are the cards with which CPUs are tested in Lightroom? What are the test results? This also applies to processors. 1. Number of cores / threads? 2. Technology? 3. What Cache? These are basic questions !!!

                  • 7. Re: What graphics card for Lightroom in July 2017?
                    JimHess Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                    If you are expecting to improve image display with a graphics card, I suspect you will be disappointed. I can't answer your questions because I don't know the answers. But here is a link to another webpage that is Lightroom specific. If you want more answers ask more questions and maybe someone else will give you some "real" answers. As I have indicated previously, GPU features in Lightroom are primarily for those with 4K & 5K high-resolution monitors to enhance performance. It's doubtful that you would see much benefit from investing in a high-end graphics card otherwise. GPU support was added in Lightroom to enhance performance for these high resolution monitors, it wasn't added to make images look better. But here is the link. If I'm wasting your time, I apologize in advance.

                    Adobe Lightroom GPU – Häufig gestellte Fragen und Fehlerbehebung

                    • 8. Re: What graphics card for Lightroom in July 2017?
                      dj_paige Level 9

                      leszek_66  wrote

                       

                      Of course, they will improve the display of the image - the greater the resolution - the more so. Enabling acceleration with the graphics card only applies to the DEVELOP module, which reduces the time required for image processing! So what are the cards with which CPUs are tested in Lightroom? What are the test results? This also applies to processors. 1. Number of cores / threads? 2. Technology? 3. What Cache? These are basic questions !!!

                      If there is any speed improvement from a GPU on a 1920x1080 monitor, it will be so slight you will not notice it. You will have wasted your money.

                       

                      If you find you are having speed issues, maybe you could describe the problem from scratch, stating clearly what actions in LR are slow, and perhaps there is a better solution than updating to a graphics card, which won't solve your problem.

                      • 9. Re: What graphics card for Lightroom in July 2017?
                        leszek_66 Level 1

                        I am more interested in comparing card performance in LR. As in this comparison of processor speeds:
                        http://www.hardware.fr/articles/959-11/traitement-photos-lightroom-dxo-optics-pro.html
                        Then you can find out the real differences in a particular LR test.

                        • 10. Re: What graphics card for Lightroom in July 2017?
                          leszek_66 Level 1

                          I am more interested in comparing card performance in LR. As in this comparison of processor speeds:
                          http://www.hardware.fr/articles/959-11/traitement-photos-lightroom-dxo-optics-pro.html
                          Then you can find out the real differences in a particular LR test.

                          • 11. Re: What graphics card for Lightroom in July 2017?
                            dj_paige Level 9

                            You are interested in comparing the trivial improvement in speed (that human beings will not notice) of one GPU on your 1920x1080 monitor against the trivial improvement in speed (that human beings will not notice) of another GPU on your 1920x1080 monitor? OK. Good luck. Let us know the results.

                            • 12. Re: What graphics card for Lightroom in July 2017?
                              leszek_66 Level 1

                              Comparing the performance in acceleration of specific cards in an LR application I do not consider to be trivial. A similar question is asked about the processors. Are you not aware of the difference between the processor used for processing?

                              • 13. Re: What graphics card for Lightroom in July 2017?
                                dj_paige Level 9

                                Yes, I am aware.

                                 

                                Are you not aware that GPUs have virtually zero impact on Lightroom when you have a 1920x1080 monitor?

                                • 14. Re: What graphics card for Lightroom in July 2017?
                                  JimHess Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                  leszek_66  wrote

                                   

                                  Comparing the performance in acceleration of specific cards in an LR application I do not consider to be trivial. A similar question is asked about the processors. Are you not aware of the difference between the processor used for processing?

                                  The point we have been trying to get across to you is that, considering the monitor that you have (although it may be a good monitor), there is little point in comparing different graphics processor units because they will have little (if any) impact on performance on your computer. The GPU is not going to greatly enhance performance based on the motherboard in your computer. The GPU option was added to Lightroom to enhance performance for those using high-resolution monitors. That is its primary function in Lightroom because those users were complaining about performance. Otherwise, performance enhancement from addition of GPU is so minimal that it isn't even worth trying to compare. If you want to try to measure it you will probably find it to be an exercise in futility. But I, for one, would be interested to see if you can even measure any difference in performance. You keep asking for a difference between processor being used. I'm sure you have searched and haven't found any information. That's probably because there isn't any available.

                                  • 15. Re: What graphics card for Lightroom in July 2017?
                                    leszek_66 Level 1

                                    Thank you. You are right. I am of the opinion that unfortunately there are no credible tests, or even suggestions from Adobe - in what direction to build your computer for photo processing in the LR. Hence my questions about possible feedback on new technologies (HBM and HBM2 memory) that could be useful, for example, in Lightroom 7.

                                    • 16. Re: What graphics card for Lightroom in July 2017?
                                      JimHess Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                      Apparently you still don't understand. Lightroom doesn't use the graphics card in a manner that you are expecting it to do so. It isn't going to utilize the CPU of the computer the way you want it to, and it isn't going to improve the appearance of your images as you expect it to. That isn't the intended use of the graphics card in Lightroom. And I don't think it will be in Lightroom 7 when/if there is one.

                                      • 17. Re: What graphics card for Lightroom in July 2017?
                                        leszek_66 Level 1

                                        I understand perfectly. The use of the graphics card processor is to better display the changes in the DEVELOP panel (after all, this module is accelerated). I also understand that with the smaller resolutions of the monitor you will not see so much difference in the fluidity of the changes made. Thank you for your interest in my post. And do you know how it is with the use of multi-processor cores? Does applying 8 cores (16 threads) instead of 4 cores (8 threads) greatly improve your computer's performance when working with Adobe Lightroom? Do you have any practical knowledge about this?

                                        • 18. Re: What graphics card for Lightroom in July 2017?
                                          leszek_66 Level 1

                                          Thank you for your answer. However, I am looking for the optimal configuration on 07.2017 to get the best possible performance in Adobe Lightroom. Hence my question about the most powerful graphics card for the 1920x1200 monitor. I also look for the most powerful processor on 07.2017. Do you know how it is with multi-core processors? Does applying 8 cores (16 threads) instead of 4 cores (8 threads) significantly improve your computer's performance when working with Adobe Lightroom? Do you have practical knowledge on this topic?

                                          • 19. Re: What graphics card for Lightroom in July 2017?
                                            bob frost Level 3

                                            Here is a comparison of the latest cpu's in lightroom

                                             

                                            https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Lightroom-CC-2015-10-1-CPU-Comparison-Skylake-X -Kaby-Lake-X-Broadwell-E-Skyla…

                                             

                                            Her is an older comparison of number of cores in Lightroom

                                             

                                             

                                            https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Adobe-Lightroom-CC-6-Multi-Core-Performance-649 /

                                             

                                            There are lots of other useful comparisons on that website using Photoshop etc.

                                             

                                             

                                            Bob Frost

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                                            • 20. Re: What graphics card for Lightroom in July 2017?
                                              leszek_66 Level 1

                                              Thank you for your interest in the post. Your post helped me in the topic I'm exploring. Do you have any comparison of LR graphics cards? Regards

                                              • 21. Re: What graphics card for Lightroom in July 2017?
                                                JimHess Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                The last thing I will interject into this thread is to tell you DO NOT consider more than four cores in a system for Lightroom. At least at this time, doing so will only cause performance problems. This could change in future releases. But at this time four cores is all you should consider for Lightroom.

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                                                • 22. Re: What graphics card for Lightroom in July 2017?
                                                  Jao vdL Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                  Bob those are great tests! I had not seen these before. They both very clearly show that there is basically no point in going for more than 4 cores. There is very little gain except perhaps a small gain in export performance that is probably not really noticeable. Also in the newer tests it is quite amazing that the lowest end 4 core machine is only bested by 17% or so by the very highest end which is probably not really noticeable in real-world use. Quite interesting and looks like a well done study.

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                                                  • 23. Re: What graphics card for Lightroom in July 2017?
                                                    leszek_66 Level 1

                                                    So how do you explain this chart?

                                                    My old AMD Phenom II X6 1100 processor when exporting photos from LR.LR_AMD_6.jpg

                                                    • 24. Re: What graphics card for Lightroom in July 2017?
                                                      Jao vdL Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                      What do you need explanation for? This looks quite consistent with the tests in the links above. But processor utilization as reported by these process monitors are not very indicative of multiprocessor efficiency of the code. For that you really have to do the tests and time. The link above shows that for almost everything Lightroom does not scale above 4 processors and has poor parallelism even below 4 processors (i.e. nonlinear scaling with number of processors). The only exception to this (at least in what was tested) appears to be exporting where there is some benefit of going above 4 cores. Not much and clearly not 1/N scaling but measurable.

                                                      • 25. Re: What graphics card for Lightroom in July 2017?
                                                        trshaner Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                        leszek_66  wrote

                                                         

                                                        Thank you for your answer. However, I am looking for the optimal configuration on 07.2017 to get the best possible performance in Adobe Lightroom. Hence my question about the most powerful graphics card for the 1920x1200 monitor. I also look for the most powerful processor on 07.2017. Do you know how it is with multi-core processors? Does applying 8 cores (16 threads) instead of 4 cores (8 threads) significantly improve your computer's performance when working with Adobe Lightroom? Do you have practical knowledge on this topic?

                                                        With a 1920x1200 (2.3Mp) display the graphics card provides very little performance improvement. This is due to limitations in the current GPU implementation, which are designed to improve performance with 4K and higher resolution displays (Mac Retina).

                                                         

                                                        Adobe is aware of issues with LR 6, CC 2015 performance when using processors with 6 or more cores. Please see this post:

                                                         

                                                        Lightroom: Slow performance on Xeon CPUs | Photoshop Family Customer Community

                                                         

                                                        Adobe is working on this issue and LR 7, CC 2017 may include fixes that allow using 6 or more core processors to improve performance. Currently the best suggestion is to use the highest performance quad core processor available until this issue is resolved.

                                                         

                                                        I expect Adobe will provide a list of tested graphics cards and processor types after release of LR 7, CC 2017. At this time there is no way to effectively determine what GPU and CPU will work best with LR 7, CC 2017.

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                                                        • 26. Re: What graphics card for Lightroom in July 2017?
                                                          leszek_66 Level 1

                                                          I would like to change my computer to a new one and I'm looking for the optimal configuration to work in the Lighroom (CPU, Graphics Card, RAM). Hence my interest also in the practical solutions of LR users. Maybe you could share your PC configuration and are you happy with the LR performance?

                                                          • 27. Re: What graphics card for Lightroom in July 2017?
                                                            leszek_66 Level 1

                                                            Thank you this answer is very convincing. You have to wait for a new LR version and good ADOBE messages giving you the exact capabilities of using multi-core processors and graphics processors.

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                                                            • 28. Re: What graphics card for Lightroom in July 2017?
                                                              fisica3 Level 1

                                                              Thanks for you answer, there is something that I need to add in my experience.

                                                               

                                                              I had a AMD 7750 card and a AMD FX8350 (8 Cores) ,16GB and Dell UltraSharp™ U2312HM, and I've had GPU acceleration enabled since it was offered, yes, no noticeable improvement by then BUT.... a few weeks ago since an update Lightroom started to crash frequently. I googled a bit and I found the suggestion about disabling GPU acceleration, I did it and...voila... no more crashes, but now the performance of the Develop module has been degraded, it takes more time to load a picture and when you move the slices is a bit slower to see the effects.

                                                               

                                                              With the most recent update I tried to enable again the GPU, but I got the message that it has been disabled because errors, so yes.. now my system is more stable, but slower.

                                                               

                                                              Being that situation, I've started my research about buying a new card (in the hope to recover the lost performance), only to find answers regarding 4K monitors, and the fact is that even with a non 4K monitor (at least in my case) you are losing performance without a GPU, so I'd like an advice in my situation... I was thinking about buying a RX 460, but the comments now are making me to think twice... being that currently my performance have been degraded.

                                                               

                                                              Best Regards

                                                              Ernesto

                                                              • 29. Re: What graphics card for Lightroom in July 2017?
                                                                dj_paige Level 9

                                                                I had a AMD 7750 card and a AMD FX8350 (8 Cores) ,16GB and Dell UltraSharp™ U2312HM, and I've had GPU acceleration enabled since it was offered, yes, no noticeable improvement by then BUT.... a few weeks ago since an update Lightroom started to crash frequently. I googled a bit and I found the suggestion about disabling GPU acceleration, I did it and...voila... no more crashes, but now the performance of the Develop module has been degraded, it takes more time to load a picture and when you move the slices is a bit slower to see the effects.

                                                                 

                                                                It might have been a bad graphics driver, and updating your driver would fix the problem while maintaining the speed improvement from the GPU. Give it a try.

                                                                • 30. Re: What graphics card for Lightroom in July 2017?
                                                                  michalg49429475 Level 1

                                                                  Hi All,

                                                                   

                                                                  Sorry for jumping in here but this topic is right up my alley and perhaps someone will be able advice me. My lightroom is dead slow - anything I do lags terribly. Recently when i contacted adobe support team on two occasions they told me that i need to change my graphic card as they do not support the one I have and this is the reason of my struggle. Now I am not much of a computer guy and when comes to those things I am simply plain stupid - but reading your posts above i am getting the impression that changing graphic card will only make a difference to display on a high res screen and it wont make a difference to a speed of lightroom itself?

                                                                   

                                                                  My graphic card is NVIDIA GeForce 210 and i use two old monitors both have res 1280 x 1024 - would the card be really a problem here?

                                                                   

                                                                  Now if this is correct and indeed my GeForce 210 is at fault - which card should i go for?

                                                                   

                                                                  this is the list of recommendations:

                                                                  Graphics cards released in the year 2014 or afterwards that meet the minimum system requirements (listed above) should work.

                                                                  • AMD: For AMD cards, consider using the Radeon R9 series of cards, such as the R9 270 through 290.
                                                                  • NVIDIA: For NVIDIA cards, consider using a card from the GeForce GTX 760+ line (760, 770, 780, or later) or from the GeForce GTX 900 series.
                                                                  • Intel: For Intel cards, Intel HD Graphics 4400+, 5000+, 510+, P530, P630, Iris Pro Graphics 5200, 6100+, P6300, P580 or later are required.

                                                                   

                                                                  Would lets say GTX 760 with 4gb video ram be enough to see a difference or should i go for something higher like gtx 960? - just to mention i dont do games - plainly photography in lightroom and photoshop...

                                                                   

                                                                  Also on the side note my processor is Intel core i7 4770K CPU@3.50GHz and i have 16gb ram

                                                                   

                                                                  Many thanks in advance!

                                                                  • 31. Re: What graphics card for Lightroom in July 2017?
                                                                    dj_paige Level 9

                                                                    Youur Lightroom is slow? Please be very specific and detailed -- tell us exactly what is slow?

                                                                     

                                                                    If your monitors are the size you said, then a new graphics card WILL NOT help.

                                                                    • 32. Re: What graphics card for Lightroom in July 2017?
                                                                      michalg49429475 Level 1

                                                                      Hi dj_paige,

                                                                       

                                                                      thank you for your reply!

                                                                       

                                                                      well everything is slow. switching between modules, scrolling up or down in the library and in develop module, going through images lags, setting rating, develop module sliders can stater when moving them and slow to respond, the changes are not coming up right away - have to wait to see the results, loading presets lags, moving between images lags, preset preview lag and slideshow takes forever to export...

                                                                       

                                                                      Thank you again for your reply!

                                                                      • 33. Re: What graphics card for Lightroom in July 2017?
                                                                        dj_paige Level 9

                                                                        Could you also state the exact version NUMBER of your Lightroom?

                                                                         

                                                                        Are you doing lots of brushing and/or lots of spot healing on your photos in Lightroom?

                                                                        • 34. Re: What graphics card for Lightroom in July 2017?
                                                                          michalg49429475 Level 1

                                                                          its the current one - 2015.12 release. Have the adobe photo cloud pack so all up to date.

                                                                           

                                                                          not really, I tend to do that in Photoshop - one of the reasons being the lagging in lightroom...

                                                                          • 35. Re: What graphics card for Lightroom in July 2017?
                                                                            trshaner Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                                            The NVIDIA GeForce 210 graphics card is very low performance, but with a 1280x1024 monitor it shouldn't be an issue. Try disabling the GPU in LR menu Edit> Preferences> Performance as shown below. Also place the LR window on one monitor and don't use LR's Secondary display at all!

                                                                            • 36. Re: What graphics card for Lightroom in July 2017?
                                                                              michalg49429475 Level 1

                                                                              Thank you trshaner for your reply.

                                                                               

                                                                              My GPU was off. I started working only on one monitor and I can see a slight improvement. But will know more later on this eve when i get into full swing with my work.

                                                                               

                                                                              Would better card help with second monitor I wonder?

                                                                               

                                                                              Still baffled about adobe support team being so adamant in regards to my card being at fault...

                                                                               

                                                                              Thank you again for your help!      

                                                                              • 37. Re: What graphics card for Lightroom in July 2017?
                                                                                dj_paige Level 9

                                                                                A GPU will not help with a second monitor in the case where you have a 4K or larger monitor.

                                                                                 

                                                                                In this case, where your monitor is not a 4K monitor, it will have no effect at all.

                                                                                • 38. Re: What graphics card for Lightroom in July 2017?
                                                                                  Jao vdL Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                                                  michalg49429475  wrote

                                                                                  Still baffled about adobe support team being so adamant in regards to my card being at fault... 

                                                                                  That's unfortunately quite common for tech support in general. They tend to latch onto minor issues such as this not realizing you are using a very low resolution monitor where the GPU doesn't matter that much. I notice you have a fairly good CPU with enough memory but one factor that you haven't mentioned is what kind of storage you are using. Lightroom is very strongly impacted by the kind of hard drive you have your catalog and your camera raw cache on. This is best if they are on a SSD drive on a fast interface. If your internal HD is not SSD that would be the upgrade I'd suggest before getting a better graphics card.

                                                                                  • 39. Re: What graphics card for Lightroom in July 2017?
                                                                                    trshaner Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                                                    michalg49429475  wrote

                                                                                     

                                                                                    My GPU was off. I started working only on one monitor and I can see a slight improvement. But will know more later on this eve when i get into full swing with my work.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Would better card help with second monitor I wonder?

                                                                                    The current GPU implementation is only supported on the main window (1) display when in the Develop module. The Secondary display has no GPU acceleration upport and neither does the Library module for either display.. This is why I suggested not using two displays with LR. What model camera image files are you processing. The higher the megapixels the slower LR will run. I would also suggest downloading and installing the most current graphics driver if you haven't done so already. What OS version are you running?

                                                                                     

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