8 Replies Latest reply on Jul 6, 2017 5:48 AM by since-1973.com

    Indexing Full Names with multiple topics

    since-1973.com

      Hi community

      many colleagues would call me an expert user in most issues InDesign, but complex indexing hasn’t been required so far. I do know the basics of indexing but here’s a question i would like to know the indexing-pro’s approach:

       

      i’m desgning a yearbook of an award show. 200 entries/projects, each about 10 names: Creative Director, Art Director, Copwywriter, Art Buyer, etc..

       

      Now simple indexing would be either using a script (though i’m not sure how the script would discern Function Art Director and Name Harry Weber, both 2 uppercase words; it’s in German, where we have a lot of uppercase instances NOT being a name) or manually highlighting each name, manually push it down to tier 2, reverse the name, write the topic in tier 1, press "Add All".

       

      Now for the tricky bit: of course a lot of copywriters do creative direction, or art directors do the design as well and so the index in the end isn’t supposed to simply list all instances of a name in the book, but is supposed to be divided in columns, showing the page number of the person where it was responsible for a certain function:

       

      ART DIRECTION

      Arlington, Sue  70

      Weber, Harry  12, 89, 102

      Yang, Chan  14, 90, 250

       

      CREATIVE DIRECTION

      Bransworth, Helmuth 34, 67, 220

      Weber, Harry  50, 52, 420

      Wupper, Klaas 30, 78

      Yang, Chan  20

       

      TEXT

      Bransworth, Helmuth 49, 357

      Weber, Harry  432, 433

       

      DESIGN

      Peter Piper  45, 60, 87, 334

      Harry Weber 49, 67, 220, 357

       

      so how do i avoid having the same name in the different topics with pages numbers where the topic is wrong?

       

      Can anyone help here?

      THX

        • 1. Re: Indexing Full Names with multiple topics
          Randy Hagan Adobe Community Professional

          After reading over your comment a couple of times, I believe that I've got the gist of what you asked. You want to index the appropriate text references to 1) the right category and 2) the right person/page number(s) for that category. If I've got this right, this is going to be a lot easier than you think.

           

          And you're well on the way to getting it done efficiently, if not quickly with one of the workflows you've figured out. From there, all it will take to do things right is attention to detail. Since Harry seems to be a winner/offender in all the categories you used for examples above, let's use his name in vain to illustrate how this can work for you:

           

          Most important – Before you create any index entry, review and understand what index entry(ies) you want to make. Because if you want to make multiple entries for the same name, you can (relatively) easily:

           

          1. Let's use his Art Direction award on page 12 for our example. Highlight Harry's full name in the text. If you haven't already learned the keyboard shortcut Cmd/Ctrl+7 (for Macs or Windows systems, respectively), use it now and remember it later. You'll come back to it ... repeatedly.

           

          2. Using the keyboard shortcut opens the Index Entry dialog box, which you can also do more slowly by going to the Index panel's flyaway menu and selecting the New... command.

           

          2A. The Topic Level 1 edit box should be highlighted with Harry Weber. Click the downward-pointing arrow between the two columns of edit boxes to skip Harry's name to the Level 2 edit box.

           

          2B. With short practice, this will become a rhythm ... place your cursor in the last name and double-click to highlight the word. If it's a compound last name, you'll have to highlight it all by hand. Use Cmd/Ctrl+X to cut the word(s) and put them in the clipboard. Then use the delete (Mac) or Backspace (Windows) key to remove the space between the given name and the surname you sent to the clipboard.

           

          2C. Move your cursor to the start of the edit box and click to place the cursor before the first letter. Then press Cmd/Ctrl+V to paste the surname before the given one. Press the comma key, then the spacebar to separate the two names and you're done with level 2.

           

          3. Click in the Level 1 edit box, and manually type in the award category (in this case, ART DIRECTION). Better to type in the award category than to risk transcription errors typing in names, and if there are any discrepancies you'll be able to fix those faster for the Level 1 entries. If this is the only index entry for Harry on the page, click the OK button to create a listing like the one below when you generate your index:

           

          ART DIRECTION

          Weber, Harry  12

           

          Put the right index entry(ies) on the right page(s) and you won't have to worry about the wrong ones showing up. The entry drives what's assembled in the index text thread, so if you get that right, you've got it covered.

           

          For multiple index entries – let's say that Harry scored the Grand Slam with all four categories for Best of Show on page 4 – the process is a little different:

           

          4. After you fill in Harry's index entry for ART DIRECTION, click the Add button at the right of the dialog box. This makes the entry for that category/Level 1 index category. Then highlight and delete the Level 1 entry and replace it with CREATIVE DIRECTION. Hit the Add button to make the entry for that category. Lather, rinse and repeat for the TEXT category, then replace the TEXT entry in the Level 1 edit box with DESIGN and click the OK button.

           

          This will create four separate index entries for Harry's Big Score on Page Four, one for each category he swept when he won Best of Show.

           

          If you get the index entries right, the final index will reflect that. And after paying close attention for the first few entries you make, muscle memory will make this process second nature.

           

          It will literally be a pain to do this 2000 times – take regular breaks, and expect that it'll take a few cycles to get back up to full speed after each break – but doing this manually will ensure you get the best, most consistent results. I keep a squeezable stress ball by my keyboard to resist cramping/carpal tunnel damage when I find myself forced to do these kind of duties. This will be a tedious, perhaps tortuous task. But not an insurmountable one.

           

          I also bill through the nose for performing these services. If you're not able to do that because you've volunteered to do the award yearbook – just think of all the exposure you're going to get, they'll say – jack them up for other considerations to compensate you for the aggravation. They owe you one for this ...

           

          Good luck,

           

          Randy Hagan

          • 2. Re: Indexing Full Names with multiple topics
            Obi-wan Kenobi Adobe Community Professional

            Hi,

             

            Personal comment: 2,000 manual tricky manipulations in an index context is not, "à mon très humble avis", a relevant way to do things! 

             

            Could we see (with invisible chars) a layout page?

             

            (^/)

            • 3. Re: Indexing Full Names with multiple topics
              since-1973.com Level 1

              this is a typical page for one category. I’ve heard/read somewhere that possibly it would work with creating & indexing stylesheets?

               

               

              spread_entry.png

              • 4. Re: Indexing Full Names with multiple topics
                since-1973.com Level 1

                Hi Randy

                thank you for your elaborate answer. I may have expressed it more clumsily but basically you’re just confirming the process i already laid out but haven’t added an easier workaround/trick?

                Thx

                Harry

                • 5. Re: Indexing Full Names with multiple topics
                  Obi-wan Kenobi Adobe Community Professional

                  Harry,

                   

                  I've done it very quickly [just for comment] to show you such a complex process could be "simply" run! [personally, not for free!]

                   

                  Imagine this kind of layout [technically, similar to yours]:

                   

                  Capture d’écran 2017-07-06 à 11.35.36.png

                   

                  Create a basic index as above [1 click of course]. Then "convert" the markers to a syntax …

                   

                  Capture d’écran 2017-07-06 à 11.36.37.png

                   

                  …  that could be understood by a Grep treatment!

                   

                  Capture d’écran 2017-07-06 à 11.38.44.png

                   

                  And, finally, convert in return this syntax to "index markers"!

                   

                  Just finish by generating the index!

                   

                  Capture d’écran 2017-07-06 à 11.40.20.png

                   

                  Done! [some clicks and 1-minute-work]

                   

                  (^/)

                  • 6. Re: Indexing Full Names with multiple topics
                    since-1973.com Level 1

                     

                     

                    • 7. Re: Indexing Full Names with multiple topics
                      Obi-wan Kenobi Adobe Community Professional

                      It was just a sample! The layout could be totally retained!

                       

                      I'll send you a PM! 

                      • 8. Re: Indexing Full Names with multiple topics
                        since-1973.com Level 1

                        oh, ok. GREP’s kinda new to me so i thought this would only work with restructuring the content.

                        thx!