16 Replies Latest reply on Jun 14, 2006 5:21 AM by Newsgroup_User

    Director/Flash?

    mouse jockey Level 1
      As a newbie I'm wondering about the validity of using Director, now that Flash has advanced so much. What are the advantages of Director over Flash please?
        • 1. Re: Director/Flash?
          Level 7
          Hi,

          If you can wait a couple of wekes for an answer, I'd suggest you listen to an upcoming episode of the Director Podcast which will be devoted to this topic. If
          you're new to podcasts, they're just an online radio type show. Episode 20 of the Director Podcast is going to look at Flash and Director, the differences
          between the 2, each strengths, when you'd use one over the other. This week is going to be episode 18. Episode 19 will also be good, you'll have to listen to
          find out why. But episode 20 will give you a Flash vs Director feast

          More info on the Director Podcast can be found at http://director.magicgate.com

          regards
          Dean

          Director Lecturer / Consultant
          http://www.fbe.unsw.edu.au/learning/director
          http://www.multimediacreative.com.au


          • 2. Re: Director/Flash?
            mouse jockey Level 1
            Many thanks for your reply Dean. I'll listen to some of the Podcasts whilst awaiting number 20 which will reveal all.
            • 3. Re: Director/Flash?
              Level 7
              There are tons of Flash jobs available, almost no Director jobs. There is no
              announced or hinted update to Director. You know dang well there's going to
              be Flash updates. While it's good to know both, and I'm sure Dean will
              explain why, you will have a lot more employment leverage by focusing on
              Flash/Actionscript.

              TR


              "mouse jockey" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
              news:e53uid$gqo$1@forums.macromedia.com...
              > As a newbie I'm wondering about the validity of using Director, now that
              > Flash has advanced so much. What are the advantages of Director over Flash
              > please?


              • 4. Re: Director/Flash?
                mouse jockey Level 1
                I'm with you on that TR!

                As James Coburn said in 'The Baltimore Bullet' - "I can buy a tin cup anytime. Cash is where it's at baby".
                • 5. Re: Director/Flash?
                  Level 7
                  Hi TR,

                  While your answer doesn't really add up, it also doesn't really answer
                  the question. If you don't see the hints a new version of Director, then
                  you aren't really looking very hard. You might want to start with Tom
                  Higgins' blog: http://www.weblogs.macromedia.com/thiggins/.

                  Mouse jockey, start at the Adobe site and look through the Director and
                  the Flash sections. You'll see a distinct difference in how these two
                  products are used. There is some overlap on the web. Flash is stronger,
                  in terms of total usage on the web. Yes, Flash has advanced quite a bit,
                  it's nearly as useful as Director 6 was about 5 years ago.

                  If your interest in in the web, then you may want to give flash some
                  serious consideration. You will also probably want to look at Flex and
                  Cold Fusion.

                  Have no fear, both products will be around for quite a while, some new
                  products will probably appear, and things will continue to change.

                  --
                  Rob
                  _______
                  Rob Dillon
                  Adobe Community Expert
                  http://www.ddg-designs.com
                  412-243-9119

                  http://www.macromedia.com/software/trial/
                  • 6. Re: Director/Flash?
                    Craig Grummitt Level 3
                    thanks for that blog tip - however it looks like that link should be http://weblogs.macromedia.com/thiggins/
                    • 7. Re: Director/Flash?
                      Level 7
                      Doesn't add up? Go look in any classified ads, craigslist, montser, dice,
                      etc... There are few if any Director jobs. Flash jobs outnumber them 20 to
                      0.

                      The answer to the question is Video, 3d, xtras are the advantages of
                      Director. Pay is the advantage of Flash. The posted question asked about the
                      validity of using director. Not for a particular project, but for spending
                      one's time learning a language.

                      I suggest renaiming Director to Flash++.

                      Cheers!
                      Timm



                      "Rob Dillon - Adobe Community Expert" <rob@-remove-ddg-designs.com> wrote in
                      message news:rob-61604D.18321829052006@forums.macromedia.com...
                      > Hi TR,
                      >
                      > While your answer doesn't really add up, it also doesn't really answer
                      > the question. If you don't see the hints a new version of Director, then
                      > you aren't really looking very hard. You might want to start with Tom
                      > Higgins' blog: http://www.weblogs.macromedia.com/thiggins/.
                      >
                      > Mouse jockey, start at the Adobe site and look through the Director and
                      > the Flash sections. You'll see a distinct difference in how these two
                      > products are used. There is some overlap on the web. Flash is stronger,
                      > in terms of total usage on the web. Yes, Flash has advanced quite a bit,
                      > it's nearly as useful as Director 6 was about 5 years ago.
                      >
                      > If your interest in in the web, then you may want to give flash some
                      > serious consideration. You will also probably want to look at Flex and
                      > Cold Fusion.
                      >
                      > Have no fear, both products will be around for quite a while, some new
                      > products will probably appear, and things will continue to change.
                      >
                      > --
                      > Rob
                      > _______
                      > Rob Dillon
                      > Adobe Community Expert
                      > http://www.ddg-designs.com
                      > 412-243-9119
                      >
                      > http://www.macromedia.com/software/trial/


                      • 8. Re: Director/Flash?
                        Level 7
                        tr wrote:

                        > Doesn't add up?

                        Hi Tim,

                        Well, your response was biased on the Flash side. Saying there are no announced
                        or hinted upates to Director is not true. There was a very recent update to
                        Director and Shockwave. And Tom Higgins has been interviewed making it very
                        clear that there are plans for the next version of Director.

                        Anyway, you can also have a listen to the upcoming Director/ Flash episode of
                        the Director Podcast.. It's only a week or so away.

                        regards
                        Dean

                        Director Lecturer / Consultant
                        http://www.fbe.unsw.edu.au/learning/director
                        http://www.multimediacreative.com.au


                        • 9. Re: Director/Flash?
                          Level 7
                          Hey Dean,

                          I've listened to a few of the Pod Casts. Very cool! Thanks! I really
                          apprciate your efforts.

                          I stand by that my response is based to what jobs are available, not which
                          program is better. On craiglist, the list for Flash jobs goes off the page.
                          For Director, there is just one. So I can't tell a newbie they should learn
                          Director over Flash.

                          Anyway, where was the announced info on the update? I'll look for the hint
                          in your podcast.

                          Cheers!
                          Timm






                          "Dean Utian" <d.utian@unsw.edu.au> wrote in message
                          news:447CF9CA.EAB616DB@unsw.edu.au...
                          > tr wrote:
                          >
                          >> Doesn't add up?
                          >
                          > Hi Tim,
                          >
                          > Well, your response was biased on the Flash side. Saying there are no
                          > announced
                          > or hinted upates to Director is not true. There was a very recent update
                          > to
                          > Director and Shockwave. And Tom Higgins has been interviewed making it
                          > very
                          > clear that there are plans for the next version of Director.
                          >
                          > Anyway, you can also have a listen to the upcoming Director/ Flash episode
                          > of
                          > the Director Podcast.. It's only a week or so away.
                          >
                          > regards
                          > Dean
                          >
                          > Director Lecturer / Consultant
                          > http://www.fbe.unsw.edu.au/learning/director
                          > http://www.multimediacreative.com.au
                          >
                          >


                          • 10. Re: Director/Flash?
                            Level 7
                            tr wrote:

                            > I've listened to a few of the Pod Casts. Very cool! Thanks! I really
                            > apprciate your efforts.
                            >
                            > <trim>
                            >
                            > Anyway, where was the announced info on the update? I'll look for the hint in
                            > your podcast.

                            Hi Timm,

                            Glad you've listened to the podcasts. Just in case anyone reading your email
                            gets the impression that the podasts are 'mine', that's not the case. Skip from
                            Magicgate Software runs them. I've been lending a hand where I can.

                            Perhaps your reference to 'your podast' was my interview, which will be episode
                            19. Listen to it and hopfully I'll have things to say that would be interesting
                            to you.

                            As for the news of updates, look at:
                            http://www.adobe.com/support/director/downloads.html
                            This page mentions an update to Director and Shockwave which was released in
                            March of this year.

                            As for info on the next version of Director, there's nothing specific announced,
                            but you can listen to Tom Higgin's podcast interview for further insight.

                            Lastly, your comment on there being more Flash jobs 'So I can't tell a newbie
                            they should learn Director over Flash'. Well, it depends what the newbie wants
                            to do. No good telling a person to become an accountant just because there's
                            more of those jobs than openings for astronauts

                            regards
                            Dean

                            Director Lecturer / Consultant
                            http://www.fbe.unsw.edu.au/learning/director
                            http://www.multimediacreative.com.au

                            • 11. Re: Director/Flash?
                              Level 7
                              Top notch accountants probably get paid more than astronauts!!!!!

                              I just finished my Flash final. I wish Director had nested timelines!

                              Cheers!
                              Timm

                              "Dean Utian" <d.utian@unsw.edu.au> wrote in message
                              news:447D369C.3C2E727E@unsw.edu.au...
                              >
                              > Lastly, your comment on there being more Flash jobs 'So I can't tell a
                              > newbie
                              > they should learn Director over Flash'. Well, it depends what the newbie
                              > wants
                              > to do. No good telling a person to become an accountant just because
                              > there's
                              > more of those jobs than openings for astronauts
                              >
                              > regards
                              > Dean
                              >
                              > Director Lecturer / Consultant
                              > http://www.fbe.unsw.edu.au/learning/director
                              > http://www.multimediacreative.com.au
                              >


                              • 12. Re: Director/Flash?
                                Level 7
                                tr wrote:

                                > Top notch accountants probably get paid more than astronauts!!!!!

                                You think so?

                                > I just finished my Flash final. I wish Director had nested timelines!

                                Maybe next version

                                Anyway Timm, my podcast interview is now live at:
                                http://director.magicgate.com

                                Skip did zero editing of my responses - didn't take out any of my ummms or
                                non-fluent speech. So, be kind

                                regards
                                Dean

                                Director Lecturer / Consultant
                                http://www.fbe.unsw.edu.au/learning/director
                                http://www.multimediacreative.com.au

                                • 13. Re: Director/Flash?
                                  Level 7
                                  Hey Dean,

                                  I just finished listening to the podcast. Great! I listened while working
                                  and it was pretty cool. Definitely related to our thread here. I totally
                                  agree that there seems to be a problem with how Director markets Flash as
                                  opposed to Director. I've been using it since version 5 also. And while it
                                  may sound like I'm flash biased by this thread, I really really prefer
                                  Director, but I find myself stranded. It's just as well to learn
                                  Flash/Actionscript to widen my possibilites, but coming from the Director
                                  and VB world, Flash can be frustrating.

                                  As far as the marketing goes, at my office, I work with a bunch of designers
                                  in a high-end creative agency. The designers literally sit around and bash
                                  Director, and expound on the virtues of Flash. According to them, and the
                                  other designers they associate with, Director is dead. I don't even bother
                                  to argue with them. What do I have to say? Until Adobe announces their will
                                  be some update all I can say to them is well, it's still better for video,
                                  all the other things that it's better for make their eye roll up in their
                                  heads when I try to explain.

                                  I continue to help in the discussion groups to do my part to help Director
                                  along. I like to answer the questions everyone else skips over, and
                                  sometimes it makes me look busy between projects!

                                  /just had an espresso

                                  Timm

                                  timmatljgdotcom


                                  "Dean Utian" <d.utian@unsw.edu.au> wrote in message
                                  news:447E8EA2.A996F3E@unsw.edu.au...
                                  > tr wrote:
                                  >
                                  >> Top notch accountants probably get paid more than astronauts!!!!!
                                  >
                                  > You think so?
                                  >
                                  >> I just finished my Flash final. I wish Director had nested timelines!
                                  >
                                  > Maybe next version
                                  >
                                  > Anyway Timm, my podcast interview is now live at:
                                  > http://director.magicgate.com
                                  >
                                  > Skip did zero editing of my responses - didn't take out any of my ummms or
                                  > non-fluent speech. So, be kind
                                  >
                                  > regards
                                  > Dean
                                  >
                                  > Director Lecturer / Consultant
                                  > http://www.fbe.unsw.edu.au/learning/director
                                  > http://www.multimediacreative.com.au
                                  >


                                  • 14. Re: Director/Flash?
                                    Level 7
                                    tr wrote:

                                    > I just finished listening to the podcast. Great!

                                    Thanks Timm

                                    > And while it may sound like I'm flash biased by this thread, I really really
                                    > prefer
                                    > Director, but I find myself stranded.

                                    I thought so. Director after all is the greatest software ever made

                                    > I continue to help in the discussion groups to do my part to help Director
                                    > along. I like to answer the questions everyone else skips over, and
                                    > sometimes it makes me look busy between projects!

                                    Keep up the good work. I've enjoyed our discussion and look forward to others in
                                    the future.

                                    regards
                                    Dean

                                    Director Lecturer / Consultant
                                    http://www.fbe.unsw.edu.au/learning/director
                                    http://www.multimediacreative.com.au


                                    • 15. Re: Director/Flash?
                                      Level 7
                                      mouse jockey wrote:

                                      > Many thanks for your reply Dean. I'll listen to some of the Podcasts whilst awaiting number 20 which will reveal all. :)

                                      Hi mouse jockey,

                                      Are you still waiting in anticipation for the Director vs Flash Podcast? I know I am:) It whould have been out a few days
                                      back but maybe the host is just giving people time to absorb my one from the previous week:) Anyway, am sure it will be out
                                      shortly.
                                      Director Podcast - http://director.magicgate.com

                                      regards
                                      Dean

                                      Director Lecturer / Consultant
                                      http://www.fbe.unsw.edu.au/learning/director
                                      http://www.multimediacreative.com.au



                                      • 16. Re: Director/Flash?
                                        Level 7
                                        Well, it's finally here, The Flash vs Director Podcast: http://director.magicgate.com

                                        Haven't listened to it yet but am downloading.

                                        regards
                                        Dean

                                        Director Lecturer / Consultant
                                        http://www.fbe.unsw.edu.au/learning/director
                                        http://www.multimediacreative.com.au