9 Replies Latest reply on Aug 2, 2017 8:29 PM by SummerShaddow

    Suggested settings for downsizing with little loss as possible?

    SummerShaddow Level 1

      Hi everyone,

       

      I need to downsize photos to place online so I don't end up eating many gigs of data in storage with just a few photos.  I've shot in RAW at largest file size (extremely large) and exported from Lr as dng, which of course goes to Camera RAW, then into PS.  Once I take it into PS to add watermark and final touches, I want to save a smaller version as a jpg while hopefully losing as little quality as possible.  I've read everywhere and can't really find an answer for this.

       

      Original un-edited photos are 5568px by 3712 px, 300 ppi.

       

      As you can see from the above, those files are HUGE, and they not only take an eternity to upload but also eat up a ton of storage space.  Now, someone suggested I try uploading as a png file, which still seems to preserve the quality (which surprised me), but they're still gigantic with 7 photos taking some 3.3GB in storage.  You can see my problem with this.

       

      Suggestions?  I'm leaving everything right now in DNG limbo until I can get some expert direction from the PS/Lr pros here.

       

      Thanks so much in advance.

       

      Regards,

      Ella

        • 1. Re: Suggested settings for downsizing with little loss as possible?
          JJMack Most Valuable Participant

          When you resample an image yoy will always loose some image quality. If you reduce the number of pixels some image details must be discarded. If you increase the number if pixels you need to create details for the image you do no have.   How much quality is lose  depends on the change in the number of pixels.  If you start with a current camera , Phone or tablet these days you are  starting  with 6 to 12 Mega-pixels digital image.  If you need to resample a full frame camera image to fit  on a typical display lets say 1920x1080. Disregarding the crop required  you are resampling a 6 mega-pixels  image to a 2 Mega-pixel image you have 1/3 the number of pixels to store your image's details in.  If the image was high quality in focus, well exposed and developed well from a high quality camera.  Your image will still look good but will have much less fine image details.  Lighrroom Photoshop and many other image editing processing applications  have good interpolation methods for resampling images. In your case you are starting with 20MP and winding up with 2MP. One tenth the amount of pixels.

           

          If you also want to print your images you want to keep your camera files. As well as you web size images.  A 4TB external USB3 dive is under $200 these days. What is 3.3GB less than 10% of that drive capacity. I have not used an internal  computer disk drive in years to store images.

          • 2. Re: Suggested settings for downsizing with little loss as possible?
            Francesco Della Peruta Adobe Community Professional

            How suggested by JJMack, Lighrroom Photoshop and many other image editing processing applications  have good interpolation methods for resampling images. The other consideration to do is that an interpolation method could work well for some type of images and not for other ones... I think that If you want to reduce image size of different groups of image in the best possible way, you have to try different interpolation method for any groups of images and choose the one that achieve the best result in that particular case...

            • 3. Re: Suggested settings for downsizing with little loss as possible?
              gener7 Adobe Community Professional & MVP

              5568px by 3712 px, 300 ppi. The 300 ppi is just for print. I'm guessing you want online samples for viewing, but your originals will be on an external drive.

               

              Open your large file and use Image > Duplicate so you do not damage the original file. You will work on a copy.

               

              So for online use, Image > Image Size and let's try 1500 px   Resample and let Automatic do the work for you.

               

              Screen Shot 2017-07-29 at 2.24.38 AM.png

               

              Then File > Export > Save For Web and go with these settings. You should get a decent file size on disk that can be quickly uploaded and viewed.

               

              Screen Shot 2017-07-29 at 2.25.38 AM.png

               

              There is a batch processor that can run this process on all the photos you want to upload and save time, but for now see how this works.

              • 4. Re: Suggested settings for downsizing with little loss as possible?
                davescm Adobe Community Professional

                This is how I work - it may help you.

                 

                From the camera I store RAW files, I use Lightroom to develop them (including some initial light capture sharpening) and I keep the RAW files and associated XMP files, which contain the Lightroom adjustments,  on hard disks which are backed up.


                To go to Photoshop - I use Lightroom's "Edit in Photoshop" and store the resulting file as a 16 bit PSD. This keeps all the layers , blending etc intact so I can go back an alter later. I may crop - but I do not resize these files (up or down) These are my "Master" files . Again they are stored on hard disk - which is backed up.

                 

                So I have both RAW files and PSD masters stored on hard disks and backed up to external hard disks that are removed from the PC after back up.

                 

                I do not store master files online - but like everyone else I do post images on-line, post on websites and share images that way.  To do that I go to the Photoshop master PSD file and use Export - Save for Web (legacy) to Export a copy in a format suitable for the web . I select jpeg for photographic images and choose an image size and compression setting as required. In general the pixel size will be smaller than the master and I set the algorithm to Bicubic Sharper.

                 

                For printing , again I return to the PSD master, resize to the print output requirements (with resample checked to the required ppi for my printer). Finally I sharpen the image before printing using a bit more aggressive sharpening than looks good on the screen. Then I print.

                 

                So to sum up, for photographic images, I have RAW files and master PSDs stored locally without any resizing. Images which are required for online use (not storage) I export a copy as a jpeg (and resize at that export stage).

                 

                Dave

                • 5. Re: Suggested settings for downsizing with little loss as possible?
                  D Fosse Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                  +1.

                   

                  Don't even consider storing master files online! That's fine for small text documents and office work, but photographs is a whole other animal. It's in a different realm. Use external disks if internal storage is limited.

                   

                  My own photo archive is now a little over 5 terabytes. I just had to buy a couple of 10TB drives to handle storage and backup for the foreseeable future. As my archive grows, disk capacities grow too, so it works out nicely.

                   

                  Yes, there's a "cloud" hype going on these days, and you're supposed to store everything online. Those who push that hype need a little reality check.

                  • 6. Re: Suggested settings for downsizing with little loss as possible?
                    SummerShaddow Level 1

                    Thank you SO much, Dave!  Very helpful advice and information.  My next issue, as I found out today... is... storage for those files.  My laptop has only a couple of GB storage left on it now because Lr is taking up a LOT of space (the catalogs, I'm guessing).

                     

                    The other issue I have is that I'm very very new to Lr and don't know how to get the RAW files directly from my camera, or from Lr, to an external drive.  So what I've been doing is exporting them to DNG files and dealing with them that way.  BUT, I've been exporting them with whatever changes I make in Lr.


                    How to deal with Lr using up all my computer storage.... that's another talk show that's giving me headaches. :/

                    • 7. Re: Suggested settings for downsizing with little loss as possible?
                      SummerShaddow Level 1

                      D, I've been able to save DNG files to external drives, that are filling up FAST, but I'm dealing with a major issue with Lr using more storage than anything else I have on my computer.  I've NO idea how to remedy that. So even if I buy huge external drives (I've not seen the 10TB ones so will have to look into those soon) I'm stuck with Lr using up so much space that it hinders the workflow.  How do I remedy that one?

                       

                      Thanks so much for the advice!

                      • 8. Re: Suggested settings for downsizing with little loss as possible?
                        davescm Adobe Community Professional

                        Hi

                        The Lightroom catalogues do not take up a great deal of space. What does use up space is the preview cache. You can check your Lightroom catalogue settings for the Preview Cache. Go to Lightroom >Catalog Settings > File Handling where you can choose preview quality and size as well as Auto discard time.

                         

                        I copy raw files to directories on my hard disks just using Windows File Explorer. I then import the files into Lightroom. This import does not move them - it just adds them to the catalogue.

                        • 9. Re: Suggested settings for downsizing with little loss as possible?
                          SummerShaddow Level 1

                          Thank you for the information, Davescm.  I'm using a MacBook Pro.  I also just read another thread where someone said the catalogs can take an enormous amount of room, and in one case it was some 500+GB of space!  My storage capacity on my Mac is 245GB and I have roughly 7GB left, and that's after deleting everything I could.

                           

                          In that other thread someone said it's possible to store the catalogs, etc. on an external drive, but I'm not sure how to do that or how to delete what's on the local storage if I'm successful moving the catalogs to the external.  I'm sure this will be much easier once I get the hang of it, but for now I'm a little overwhelmed.

                           

                          Another thing is that I don't know how to get the RAW images to the external since my MacBook Pro doesn't really 'read' the camera's memory cards when it's plugged in.  I don't have a reader for the cards, and when I plug in the camera Lr is able to bring in the images, but to store the RAW versions... I'm not sure.  I'm still learning Lr so I'm mostly fumbling around at this point.

                           

                          Again, much appreciation for your advice and help.