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You would not need to move anything manually because anything added to Lr CC gets uploaded to the cloud and down to LR Classic. The new Lr CC also manages disk space more efficiently using proxies (smart previews) to keep the overall footprint as minimal as possible on your laptop and mobile device. You would just need to be aware that each app stores smart previews separately. So there would be some duplication, although smart previews are compressed files.
If I migrated my LR Classic library to CC to take advantage of the cloud storage, could I still use LR Classic as a means to download and archive the originals and do more extensive edits?
I currently do this with photos I add via LR Mobile but usually delete them from CC once they are archived. In the new scenario, I would leave them on the Adobe cloud.
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It would be best not to delete from Lr Classic but to drag folders within the Library e.g. to an external drive or similar archive storage.
But even better Lr CC has the option to automatically store a local copy of your original in addition to the one in the cloud. So I have a Segate 4TB ehd nominated as my archive in Lr CC prefs. Even if I disconnect it from time to time, Lr CC is smart enough to recognize it next time I reconnect to any port, without having to worry about drive letters or volumes.
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Hi all and thank you 99jon for your insights.
I'm as well trying to understand if/why working with both Classic and CC would make sense for me.
My current setup is LR Classic on both desktop & laptop, with my catalog syncing on Dropbox and the originals on my desktop.
- LR CC would allow me to take advantage of the smart tags and free up space on my desktop. I also like the sleek interface.
- LR Classic on the other hand has a reassuring folder structure, manually entered metadata (faces, keywords), editing tools and plugins that I would miss.
Please allow me to ask you how exactly the workflow would look like if I decided to migrate my library to LR CC, and still wanted to benefit from the advanced editing from LR Classic?
I understand the library would be at the CC format and the originals transferred to the cloud. Now if I decided to make basic edits on my desktop with CC, and advanced edits with Classic on the same image in a second step, how would this look like?
- Can changes with both programs be applied non-destructively to the same image?
- Would the experience be similar to opening a file in Classic with an external plug-in/software (Affinity Photo, MacPhun plug-ins) and then saving the changes, closing Classic and going back to the CC interface?
- Would the Classic changes be uploaded to the cloud as well?
- Would Classic need to save a local copy of the file? (I'm already scared of having to deal with duplicates on the cloud & local storage, argh!)
- How would these potential local files be synced between desktop and laptop?
Hope I'm not too confusing here, but I think it would be great if we could enjoy both the simplicity and future-oriented features of CC whilst still being able to use the advanced Classic tools.
Thanks in advance for your help!
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I'm also very interested in using both LR CC and Classic. The workflow though, isn't clear to me. Ideally I'd like to still have classic on my main workstation, but use LR CC on my laptop or remotely. Additionally, I use various plugins associated with Classic (on1, perfectly clear, etc). Do those work with the new LR CC? As others have mentioned, I'm also suspicious that this is a move on Adobe's part to eventually get rid of Classic and move to LR CC, which would force me personally to re-evaluate using LR in any form.
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Adobe recommends that you choose one or the other. I have been using both apps together which requires a bit of extra discipline, because there are a few caveats. The first concerns key wording. There is no sync from Lr CC to Lr Classic. So adding metadata would best be done in LR Classic. A Key word hierarchy would also be unrecognized; Lr CC only supports flat keywords but supplemented with the algorithms for smart tags. These aid search but are never written into metadata.
Lr CC would be great for travelling with a laptop. If staying for example in a hotel with a fast internet connection; you could import photos from camera storage card and start a basic workflow – culling, rating, and perhaps some editing. Originals are backed up to the cloud and when you get home are downloaded and waiting for you in Lr classic for more editing, keywording etc.
Because Lr CC works efficiently with proxies older photos no longer being edited or actively worked on will automatically drop out of the cache. So 1TB of storage effectively gives you the potential of greater capacity of proxies when working in Lr CC or Lr iOS and Lr Android. More clearly a 50mb file in the cloud may only require several KB of storage in the cache.
In summary you would not migrate your library under such a scenario. You would keep it in Lr Classic. So that would involve a cost choice between the Photography plan +20GB at $9.99 or Photography Plan +1TB at $19.99 (after first year discount) you may get a dropbox saving if you are paying for their storage.
If you elect to migrate and choose Lr CC only the cost with 1TB is $9.99
View at the bottom of the page, plans at the following link:
-Changes can be applied non-destructively in all apps – you can revert to an original at any time.
-All editing will automatically sync between devices– so not like editing in an external editor.
-All Lr Classic editing is syncd up to the cloud and reflected in the proxies on all other devices.
-Lr Classic would store a local copy either in pictures or your nominated folder on external hard drive. So you would have an original local copy plus an original backed up in the cloud.
-Sync between Lr CC on laptop and Lr Classic on desktop is automatic, subject to the caveat regarding metadata.
-At present Lr Classic or Photoshop would be needed to run plug-ins.
Finally, Victoria has produced a very useful flow chart.
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Thanks for the information. It does seem like the workflow to try is LR CC on a laptop and LR Classic on the workstation.
Thanks! Finally some clarity on the issue.
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Thank you for the description of the potential workflow
When you say
"-Sync between Lr CC on laptop and Lr Classic on desktop is automatic, subject to the caveat regarding metadata."
Would you happen to know:
1. I have an existing photo in a folder Pictures/2017/09/ that has already been imported to LR Classic, and has also been synced to the cloud using LR CC. I then modify the photo using CC on a tablet and it syncs to the cloud. When it syncs these changes back to LR Classic, are the changes reflected to the photo in its original folder Pictures/2017/09/ ?
2. I add a new photo to LR CC on my tablet. The photo then syncs to the cloud and down to LR Classic. Which folder does it sync to in Classic (and on the hard drive, of course)?
3. If I then move the photo to a different folder using LR Classic, does LR CC treat this as a "move", or does it delete and re-sync as if it is a new photo (assuming the new destination folder is also included in LR CC sync)?
Completely separate questions:
4. I read somewhere else that edit 'layers' in LR CC and LR Classic are not compatible (or additive, between them). Thus cumulative edits might not be 'peelable' backwards if you use both apps to edit. Do you know if that is the case? When you say "Changes can be applied non-destructively in all apps – you can revert to an original at any time." I understand that you can go back to the original, but does this imply you can also step backwards through the layers of changes from both apps?
5. If I add keywords to a photo in LR Classic after the photo has been added/synced to LR CC, are those keywords synced/added to the photo in the cloud/CC? [I understand that the reverse is not true - that keywords autogenerated in the CC cloud are not reflected in Classic metadata.]
I hope this is not too detailed/confusing. And thank you in advance for any clarity you can provide
Thank you for all of the input. It was very helpful.
At the moment, I am running both versions. I have a large lightroom catalog of photographs which I store on external drives connected to my desktop. I have a meaningful investment in external drives, back-up drives, and a cloud back up subscription. I am worried about the space constraints of LightRoom CC's cloud storage, as culling my library is not my strong suit. I also need the features in Classic, that are not in CC at this time. But, I believe that Classic will ultimately be phased out as soon as CC catches up to Classic in terms of functionality. And, I generally find it best to start planning for the future early.
I plan to maintain LightRoom Classic on my desktop and use it for my photographs taken with my camera. The same way I have always done.
And, I will begin to experiment with LightRoom CC on my laptop and phone. I have always spent a lot of money on iPhones, but I have never used one as a camera. I think LightRoom CC will open up the door, and encourage me to begin using my phone for snap shots, and quick Instagram shots and help me post to social media more frequently.
I intend to to keep the two libraries separate, and work on my culling skills.
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- You will have a folder something like “From LR Mobile” but you can specify a named folder in Prefs in LR Classic.
- I believe this would be a Move (everything automatic) but I have not tested. I try to avoid moving because I have prefs set to a master folder on an external drive with all new photos going into dated sub-folders based on capture date.
- Only Lr Classic has the history panel. In Lr CC the latest edits are stored in the cloud and applied on saving/sharing/export. Or for original (raw) exports into an image+XMP sidecar.
- No not keywords but captions/titles will sync to Lr CC and mobile devices.
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@99jon, thank you again. Very helpful.
re #4: I understand LR CC does not have a history panel, which is okay. What I was wondering is if changes made (say, on a RAW + XMP sidecar) in LR CC are recorded as 'steps' and reflected in the history sidebar of the Develop module when synced back to LR Classic.
So, rather than asking you to check, I realized I can easily check myself by using LR CC on the phone (which presumably records changes in the same way as LR CC desktop). And the answer is Yes, the steps/layers of change in LR CC are indeed retained, as are changes in LR Classic. So I can go back and forth between the two transparently with all steps retained in sequence. Although this probably sounds self evident... you never know with Adobe... so it is comforting to see data retained.
As an example: I have photo1.NEF and photo1.XMP which I crop and straighten in Classic. Then I later use LR CC on a tablet and do some color corrections and further crop the photo. When photo1.NEF and photo1.XMP sync back to LR Classic, those four 'steps' are reflected in the sidebar history in LR Classic. Incidentally, the 'sync' from CC is also recorded as a history step.
Fun learning how the two ecosystems interact. Frustrating that things like keywords are not compatible or synchronized, as the horsepower to manage that must be pretty minor. I guess we just wait patiently for Adobe to include these features in future updates.
Again, thanks 99jon for your thoughtful input.
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Yeah, the inability to sync keywords was deliberate to prevent corruption of the Lr Classic catalog where many customers have complex hierarchical keyword structures. Maybe it will come in future updates or it could be offered as a selectable preference, where Lr Classic users have a flat keywording structure?
Is there a video explaining all this?
It seems like plugins are not available in the new Lightroom CC and if you want to use plugins you have to go back to Lightroom Classic.
Am I wrong with this assumption?
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At present there is no provision for plug-ins but this is a 1.0 release. New features will be added in future updates. I for one would like to see plugins or built in functionality for Flickr, SmugMug and Adobe Stock.
99jon, thank you for your response. That clarified things for me nicely.
Thank you 99jon for your insights, especially for having taken the time to answer my detailed questions as well, much appreciated.
The external resources you link to are very useful for people like us, trying to understand the workflow and interactions between the two programs. Victoria's flowchart in particular was very helpful in helping assessing better which LR suits best our needs.
I definitely fall into the 3rd profile 'You need the photography plan.', and for this range of users she recommends to sync the LR Classic smart previews to the cloud in order to access them from our other devices. I would again appreciate any details you might have about this particular aspect.
As a LR Classic user, my pictures currently on the Adobe cloud are the collections that I manually added a checkbox to, in order to have them sync with my iPhone/iPad LR CC app. How is it possible to practically have LR pointing to and synchronizing the smart previews rather than the manually synced collections? I would gladly switch from manually syncing a part of my collections to automatically syncing all my smart previews, but I'm a little bit confused with the procedure to do so. Do the smart previews need to be located on another cloud service (mine are on Dropbox) to enable this feature?
Many thanks again in advance for any insights!
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If the photography Plan meets your need simply use Lr Classic and place any photos you want to view and edit on mobile devices in a synd collection. This can’t be done automatically like Lr CC, but you probably don't need 1TB of storage as the smart previews in the cloud are compressed DNG files. So 20GB of storage goes much further, compared with storing all originals.
I don’t know much about Dropbox but I have seen some customers using it to sync the smart previews folder (not the much larger catalog) in order to be able to use Lr Classic on the road e.g. on a laptop. But that has nothing to do with the CC eco system and synchronization across devices.
P.S. I agree Victoria’s flow chart is really good.
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Yes, you can! However, DO NOT migrate! Use LR Classic as usual and then select various Collections you want to share in Creative Cloud. You can then see those Collections, and work on them, in LRCC, the LR mobile apps and LR Web. Any of the work you do on the mobile side will be seen in Classic! The trick is designating which collections you want to share online.
This is a helpfull thread. Thanks for all.
I noticed that many people import there photos from camera on desktop PC at home and use the LRCC, LRMobile and LRWeb to edit their photos on another location on earth.
I want to know which workflow to follow for the below situation. I use LRClassic on my desktop and I don't have the intention to use the cloud for my originals.
I make photos of an event in the 'field'. Immediately after the event I want to import some of the best photos from my cameras (selecting them in an import screen of LRClassic or LRCC). I want to edit these photos just after the event in 'field' and export them to JPG to sent them to the client by e-mail or USB stick.
Shall I do this import, editing and export action in LRClassic or LRCC on my laptop in 'field'?
When I get home what will happen when I want to import all the photos from my camera in LRClassic to edit them all? Does LRClassic know that I already have imported some photos in 'field' on my laptop with LRClassic or LRCC?
I use all ready synced collections in LRClassic to have the ability to add them to Adobe Portfolio website.
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Lr CC would be ideal for that situation in the field. If you are only picking a few initial images to work on, you may not be concerned that those few originals get uploaded to the cloud and down into Lr Classic when you turn on sync at home. But you would need a good upload speed wherever you are. When importing the remainder of your storage card to Lr Classic at home, it would recognize what has already been added to the catalog if you select do not import duplicates.
If you use Lr Classic in the field on your laptop there is no sync between different catalogs. You would need to import as a catalog into your master catalog on your main PC. The only way around this is to use a shared Lr Classic catalog but that usually means carrying around an external hard drive that can be connected to both laptop and desktop.
If you really don’t want the originals in the cloud, there is a trick. When you get home wait for the originals to download into Lr Classic. Then delete from Lr CC. That will remove the photos from all devices and the original from the cloud but not from Lr Classic. You can also delete from All Sync’d Photos under the Lr Classic Catalog tab.
In summary any file imported into Lr CC, Lr iOS, Lr Android, or Lr Web will send an original to the cloud. Any sync’d file from Lr Classic will be sent as a smart preview.
Thank you 99jon. Perfect explanation.
In the time of the former version of Lightroom I did the action by export catalog on my laptop and import that catalog to my desktop. It seems now indeed easier with LR CC (beside the extra action of deleting the cloud photos). I have 20Gb subscription model.
Reading through these posts I think I'm starting to get a handle on it, but still not sure about a couple things. Currently I do all my importing into LR Classic (automatically storing in folder structure with year and month sub folders) with a synced collection to LR Mobile (smart previews obviousl). I'll do culling and initial edits in mobile, then finishing touches (if needed) and exporting from LR Classic.
What I'd like to switch to is having my full images in the cloud so I would have the option to export a full res image from the mobile apps, but I want to keep using LR classic for the editing tools still missing from CC (tone curve, split toning, etc). I'm not really concerned about keywords right now. So it SOUNDS like what I would need to do is from now on do my importing into LR CC or mobile apps and in the LR Classic preferences set the folder destination for photos from LR Mobile accordingly. Doing so would allow me to edit from Classic or CC and all edits would be "tied" to the same photo (one copy stored in the cloud, another copy on my local hard drive) within both programs, with the history of those edits showing in Classic. Am I right so far?
In that scenario, how would I get all my current photos with their edits into the cloud so full res export would be available for them through LR CC and mobile? I assume the migration process would "break" the link between those photos in LR Classic and CC. Would I do the migration process, abandon my current LR Classic catalog, then sync everything from LR CC back to Classic? Or is there a better way?
Maybe I should just choose not to migrate and accept that everything currently in LR Classic will only be synced as a smart preview, but then start doing all my importing into LR CC from this point forward?
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Yes, you got it. The migration tool in Lr Cc will send all of your originals to the cloud. However for a large catalog you would need more than double your existing file storage space, at least temporarily and it could take more than 24 hours to complete the upload and cross reference the Lr Classic catalog, depending on network speed. Adding new photos to Lr CC going forward would be a good alternative.
Thank you for this, I've searched the web trying to find some answers.
I have a feeling you can clarify some things.
1. Are you saying that All Lr CC files (that are synced with the cloud) are automatically synced with Lr Classic? Or do I need to enable that somehow?
2. Where do Lr CC files appear in Lr Classic after they are synced?
3. Is it possible to import photos to Lr Classic as I always have, then choose only certain photos (or perhaps identify specific folders) which would be synced with Lr CC? If so please tell me how.
"You would not need to move anything manually because anything added to Lr CC gets uploaded to the cloud and down to LR Classic. The new Lr CC also manages disk space more efficiently using proxies (smart previews) to keep the overall footprint as minimal as possible on your laptop and mobile device. You would just need to be aware that each app stores smart previews separately. So there would be some duplication, although smart previews are compressed files." – 99jon
Thank you very much!
Best I can tell, if you stay with LR Classic, Lightroom CC will see cloud files very much like the mobile apps:
- Previews only will be synced to the cloud. Not full images. However, these can be edited from the cloud and the masters rendered in LR Classic later. For some purposes the previews are even enough to use.
- Collections/Album you create will default to syncing to the cloud but it is a per collection setting
- File folders canNOT be set to sync
- Smart collections/albums canNOT be set to sync. So there is no way I've found to auto upload things as you add them. Closest I've found is to create a paired smart and regular collection and just drag all from the first to the latter from time to time. You don't get dups it just adds the new.
Where is the setting to set a collection to sync to the cloud and be synced then to Lr CC?
When I right click on a collection the settings panel opens but it does not appear there. This Adobe page describes something I do not see:
This setting is not in my newest version of lightroom
Turning on the syncing in the upper left corner was the step I was missing. Obvious to me now.
I appreciate the help.
Dan - this was a mindblow moment for me. I have been working the past two weekends to break up my main Classic catalog (35,000 photos) so that I could migrate to Lightroom CC. I was hoping to have access to all of my photos in the cloud, but I am now going to work on undoing that, and just sync collections to take advantage of CC...
So now that I have migrated, I am probably stuck with using only Lightroom CC. Any other work arounds?
You are not stuck, but be careful.
You can locate where CC stores the local versions of the originals and force it to store all originals locally by looking at Preferences/Local Storage.
Under the Advanced tab, you can also tell CC when/if you move those images to another location. If you what to change the location, move only the Lightroom CC folder that holds all the images, BUT DO NOT CHANGE THE FILE STRUCTURE INSIDE THAT CC USES.
Then in Classic you can point to that folder and import into Classic as usual. Then you can sync with mobile as before. You will not duplicate images if you use the ADD option in import ("Add photos to catalog without moving them.") BE SURE NOT TO SELECT "COPY AS DNG", "COPY", OR "MOVE" !!!
The file structure will now be by date and not anything you chose in Classic, but Classic will have access to them as before, and you can mimic any file structure you like by creating collections.
Best not to migrate, but if you do, you are not stuck using only LRCC.
This would appear to create a real mess of duplication. Adobe recommends that you use one app or the other unless you completely understand what is happening under the hood.
This is good advice.
You are not stuck, but be careful.
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If you have a backup copy of your (Classic) library before migration to Lightroom CC, all you should need to do is go back to using that. That's what I did, just picked back up where I was before moving to CC. Luckily, I did not import anything new yet. So all my original local photos are still in the same file structure as they were before the migration.
I then disabled mobile sync in my Classic library, deleted all of the photos out of Lightroom CC, and re-started syncing with just some collections of my choosing.
I just moved from Lightroom 5 to Lightroom Classic CC 2018. Nothing much special, except I turned on syncing. As expected, when I open up Lightroom CC there is nothing there. My LR Classic CC catalog and images live on an external drive, which is synced to a Mac server using "unison" (which syncs to a OneDrive Library and backs up to Time Machine, plus occassional (6-12 months apart) burn to Blueray). This is by all means my master library.
I then installed Lightroom Mobile on my iPhone 6 and took 3 photos. Opening LR Classic CC on my desktop, I see these images in the "All Synced Photographs" catalog. Opening a photo in finder, I see that the synced photos from Lightroom mobile live in "~/Pictures/Lightroom/Mobile Downloads.lrdata".
I then proceeded to install Lightroom CC on the same desktop. It created its own catalog (which is good) in "~/Pictures/Lightroom Library.lrlibrary".
Here now is my question. How can import images added via Lightroom Mobile or Lightroom CC to my master catalog in Lightroom Classic CC without creating duplication?
I would say they are ALREADY in your master catalog. They showed up in your All Synced Photographs collection. From there, I would just organize them into whatever other collections you use in your master library, as desired. You can also move the originals on disk if you want; you can see their source listed as Lightroom Mobile (or perhaps your iPhone's name). You should be able to just drag them to your external drive folders and it will move the originals on disk.
I wrote this all from memory, so apologize if some details are skipped.
I’m sorry for hijacking this thread, but is there anyway to have Lightroom classic to only download Smart Previews and not the originals? I have the new Lightroom sorting the originals and backing them up to Creative Cloud, but I also would like to use the Classic. But without having duplicated raw files.
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No. Not smart previews. If sync is enabled in Lr Classic, originals will be downloaded into folders.