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      • 643. Re: Adobe latest FreeHand MX upgrade, Would you pay?
        cyclopsdx Level 1

        Well, it doesn't look like our enthusiasm has diminished any, does it?

        • 645. Re: Adobe latest FreeHand MX upgrade, Would you pay?
          Ernie Tomlinson Level 1

          I wonder if I have fallen off a list. These are the only FH emails I get now. I was sure I was subscribed to FreeFH but haven't heard a word since I donated to the cause. I have great fear of losing this delightful and crucial-to-my-practise software.

           

          Cheers all,

           

          Ernie

          Interpretive Design Inc.

          versatility.tv

          • 646. Re: Adobe latest FreeHand MX upgrade, Would you pay?
            maeric Level 3

            Ernie, you aren't receiving the latest FFH news? Not any of the newsletters?

             

            There are typically some "dead" addresses each couple of months but if the address you signed on with changed, send a note to get reactivated to info@freefreehand.org

             

            If you have missed back issues, they are here:  http://www.freefreehand.org/ffh_newsletter.html

             

            Alive and kicking!

            • 647. Re: Adobe latest FreeHand MX upgrade, Would you pay?
              Level 5

              maeric wrote:

               

              ...Positive Choices will overrule Negative Thoughts.

              Indeed! What are the positive choices? Wouldn't funding development be more productive than blowing money on a groundless lawsuit?

              • 648. Re: Adobe latest FreeHand MX upgrade, Would you pay?
                cyclopsdx Level 1

                But would YOU buy it, Marian, if a FreeHand-centric app was funded and put into development?

                • 649. Re: Adobe latest FreeHand MX upgrade, Would you pay?
                  Ernie Tomlinson Level 1

                  I think the suit is anything but groundless. Adobe is guilty under anti-trust legislation. And they won't release FH to be developed unless this suit is won. We have tried pretty much everything else.

                   

                  Ernie

                  • 650. Re: Adobe latest FreeHand MX upgrade, Would you pay?
                    Level 5

                    That is nice that you have an opinion regarding the suit but there is the matter of legal fact that trumps opinion. There are arguments in the FFH suit that simply do not work.

                     

                    Even if the initial suit is won by FFH, Adobe cannot be compelled to release FH as you know it. Further suits will be required to deal with the mess of patents wrapped up in FH and other Macromedia apps. In a best case scenario, FFH may win a very stripped down (ie: useless) version of FH.

                     

                    Ernie Tomlinson wrote:

                     

                    ...We have tried pretty much everything else.

                    Has anyone tried buying FreeHand to make it more popular?   It is no surprise why Macromedia cut FH loose from Studio 8 and laid off FH developers, prior to Adobe's acquisition.

                     

                    http://forums.adobe.com/servlet/JiveServlet/showImage/2-3843757-78324/ILFH2.gif

                     

                    Why isn't anyone trying to revive or 'free' xRes as well? 

                    • 651. Re: Adobe latest FreeHand MX upgrade, Would you pay?
                      Ernie Tomlinson Level 1

                      Thanks Marian,

                       

                      I hope that this little dialogue has provided information that may help things along.

                       

                      E

                      • 652. Re: Adobe latest FreeHand MX upgrade, Would you pay?
                        maeric Level 3

                        Cheers all!

                        freefreehand.org is turning 2 years old this weekend. Well over 6000 members to date and it all begin from Jack PNG posting this thread back in 2008. (Hat's off, Jack!)  Thü, Bez, and myself were all making our first comments here before FFH.org was even a spark of an idea. So one day after work, raise a glass to FreeHand's future.

                         

                        — Mark

                         

                         

                         

                        Anybody not on FFH's Twitter and Forum ?

                        FYI more is happening there than here.

                         

                        http://www.freefreehand.org/images/pr-logo-300pix.gif

                        • 653. Re: Adobe latest FreeHand MX upgrade, Would you pay?
                          Level 5

                          How is it celebratory to note that this thread is 2 years old and nothing has happened to FH?

                           

                          A similar thread with roughly equal vintage appears in the GoLive forum. GoLive is still dead as well. The GoLive users that refuse to migrate to Dreamweaver cite the lack of design tools in DW. So Adobe recently released a beta of Muse to cater to that market.

                           

                          But there is no isolated market for legacy FreeHand users. If one uses FH for illustration, Adobe already offers Illustrator. If one uses FH for document design, Adobe already offers InDesign.

                           

                          This thread and the lack of action just seems depressing. Indeed, raise a glass of whine.

                          • 654. Re: Adobe latest FreeHand MX upgrade, Would you pay?
                            julesinchaos Level 1

                            ...and to those of us who continue to use Freehand every day, effortlessly, seamlessly with superb work flow, for both Illustration and Design,
                            I'll say bottoms up and cheers!

                            • 655. Re: Adobe latest FreeHand MX upgrade, Would you pay?
                              cyclopsdx Level 1

                              Yes - congratulations Mark, and to everybody that continues to support the cause - for your persistence and indomitable spirit. Cheers!

                              • 656. Re: Adobe latest FreeHand MX upgrade, Would you pay?
                                nobbie1111

                                Marion,

                                 

                                you are obviously not using these programs regularly, otherwise you wouldnt talk rubbish like " If one uses FH for illustration, Adobe already offers Illustrator". This sentence may be theoretically correct, üractically it can turn into nightmarish situations.

                                I do work with both and own both, and even after having Illustrator for 5 years now, I say and have daily proof, with more than 15 years of professional computer illustrating, and working with it every day, that AI is no match for FH. AI is a clumsy, slow software with unnessessarily complicated and unlogical palettes etc. FH is much faster, slicker, smarter. Its only Adobe reckless marketing that continues to deny it.

                                 

                                Regards

                                • 657. Re: Adobe latest FreeHand MX upgrade, Would you pay?
                                  Head Level 1

                                  It's celebratory because FreeFreehand.org is two years old, and those that support it are happy to mark it's 2nd anniversary being that it's still a work in progress.

                                   

                                  Nobody can be completely certain where it will lead, but many thousands of FreeHand users believe it's worth the effort, and I commend them all for their commitment to a superb product.

                                   

                                  I therefore raise my glass to Mark and co. for their excellent work, to the many faithful supporters of this very just cause, and also to you Marian for entertaining us - cheers!

                                   

                                  To your very good health, everybody,

                                   

                                  Regards,

                                   

                                  Head

                                   

                                   

                                   

                                  PS  It's always worth remembering that if anybody should find any of this depressing for whatever reason, perhaps it's best not to read it.

                                  • 658. Re: Adobe latest FreeHand MX upgrade, Would you pay?
                                    Level 5

                                    Nobbie1111,

                                     

                                    You are obviously uninformed about what I do. I have used FreeHand and Illustrator equally for well over a decade.

                                     

                                    I am not talking rubbish. I am a realist.

                                     

                                    You're going to need to make quite a few toasts to FFH before you are drunk enough to see FreeHand crawl out of the grave.

                                     

                                    Even Jack PNG would be disappointed in FFH's 6000 members falling so short from his expectation of millions of supporters in this thread.

                                     

                                    If my math is correct about a constant rate of membership in FFH, it will be 666.6666 years before FFH has millions (assuming 2M) of members. The only way to have exponential growth on FFH.org is to offer porn or to prescribe boner pills.

                                    • 659. Re: Adobe latest FreeHand MX upgrade, Would you pay?
                                      nina peci Level 1

                                      Marian, I don't get your reasoning here. It's like saying a pencil 

                                      drawing must be with a n.2B pencil only. What if I want to use an HB 

                                      one? I should have that choice. It's still a pencil drawing, but my 

                                      choice of tools should be free!

                                      Adobe should have never bought FreeHand if their onlt intnet was to 

                                      kill it off. Not only is that completely illegal, but it just shows 

                                      that they had something to fear.

                                       

                                      Il giorno 08/set/11, alle ore 15:50, Marian Driscoll ha scritto:

                                       

                                      How is it celebratory to note that this thread is 2 years old and 

                                      nothing has happened to FH?

                                      >

                                      A similar thread with roughly equal vintage appears in the GoLive 

                                      forum. GoLive is still dead as well. The GoLive users that refuse 

                                      to migrate to Dreamweaver cite the lack of design tools in DW. So 

                                      Adobe recently released a beta of Muse to cater to that market.

                                      >

                                      But there is no isolated market for legacy FreeHand users. If one 

                                      uses FH for illustration, Adobe already offers Illustrator. If one 

                                      uses FH for document design, Adobe already offers InDesign.

                                      >

                                      This thread and the lack of action just seems depressing. Indeed, 

                                      raise a glass of whine.

                                      >

                                      • 660. Re: Adobe latest FreeHand MX upgrade, Would you pay?
                                        Level 5

                                        Nina, I don't get your reasoning.

                                         

                                        You are entitled to use whatever pencil you have in your possession. You are not entitled  to a new pencil if the manufacturer decides to stop making them. You should not blame the manufaturer of that pencil if you switch paper stock and find that the pencil does not work exactly like it used to. (that's a reference to OS X Lion if you missed it)

                                         

                                        If Adobe's actions were illegal, the acquisition of Macromedia would not have been allowed by the legal systems of the countries in which they operate. If there was a legal issue to raise, it should have been raised 5 years ago.

                                         

                                        The only thing Adobe has to fear is a huge expense of development for a product with a very small market.

                                        • 661. Re: Adobe latest FreeHand MX upgrade, Would you pay?
                                          cyclopsdx Level 1

                                          I am not talking rubbish. I am a realist.

                                           

                                          If Rick Hansen had the same level of realism as you, he would not have lit the Olympic torch.

                                          If Ridley Scott had the same level of realism as you, there would have been no Blade Runner.

                                          If Steve Jobs had the same level of realism as you, there would be no Apple.

                                          If Churchill had the same level of realism as you, Europe would be a far different union to what it is now.

                                          Realism is a matter of personal perspective - Yours is obviously far below that of those here still passionate enough to believe something is still worth fighting for.

                                           

                                          You're going to need to make quite a few toasts to FFH before you are drunk enough to see FreeHand crawl out of the grave.

                                           

                                          It's not in 'the grave'. We creatives use it every day of our working lives on professional projects, which makes it very much alive. You probably walk past advertising and consume products in packaging that are still being created by FreeHand every day of your life.

                                           

                                          Onwards and upwards, my warriors! It's an honour to be fighting by your sides!

                                          • 662. Re: Adobe latest FreeHand MX upgrade, Would you pay?
                                            cyclopsdx Level 1

                                            And yes, I would still pay for an upgrade!!!!!

                                            • 663. Re: Adobe latest FreeHand MX upgrade, Would you pay?
                                              nina peci Level 1

                                              the real question is "why doesn't it work anymore?" The answer is due 

                                              to Adobe's bullying of the market, not a natural death like Corel 

                                              Draw. There IS a court case going on and Adobe WILL eventually lose 

                                              just like Microsoft for the same bullying of the market. Adobe should 

                                              have never bought FH if they didn't intend to develop it or to sell 

                                              it on. Their decision is hurting Apple as well as many of us "choose" 

                                              to keep older Macs just to run FH! Now how faithful is that?! We 

                                              can't all be wrong!

                                              (Btw, I have been using FH and Illustrator ever since their births. I 

                                              still favor Illustrator for certain things, but there really is no 

                                              comparison to FH's speed and ease of use, not to mention its creation 

                                              of much lighter files. Back when we only had 5MB of ram and 20MB of 

                                              HD space, that meant a lot and still does!)

                                              Adobe's tactics remind me of the ex USSR - why should we be forced to 

                                              use what they want us to use? The democratic thing to do would be to 

                                              release it and let the people decide.

                                               

                                              P    Before printing this email, please decide whether it is really 

                                              necessary.

                                               

                                              Il giorno 08/set/11, alle ore 19:20, Marian Driscoll ha scritto:

                                               

                                              Nina, I don't get your reasoning.

                                              >

                                              You are entitled to use whatever pencil you have *+in your 

                                              possession+*. You are not entitled  to a new pencil if the 

                                              manufacturer decides to stop making them. You should not blame the 

                                              manufaturer of that pencil if you switch paper stock and find that 

                                              the pencil does not work exactly like it used to. (that's a 

                                              reference to OS X Lion if you missed it)

                                              >

                                              If Adobe's actions were illegal, the acquisition of Macromedia 

                                              would not have been allowed by the legal systems of the countries 

                                              in which they operate. If there was a legal issue to raise, it 

                                              should have been raised 5 years ago.

                                              >

                                              The only thing Adobe has to fear is a huge expense of development 

                                              for a product with a very small market.

                                              >

                                              • 664. Re: Adobe latest FreeHand MX upgrade, Would you pay?
                                                Level 5

                                                I appreciate your passion but you are gravely confused.

                                                 

                                                Having and using an older version of FreeHand as a customer is a very different reality from Adobe developing the next version. There are many that still use PPC Macs but a developer would have to be pretty silly to develop new software for it.

                                                 

                                                When warriors fight there is usually some demonstration of action with blood and destruction. You're not even to the point of shadowboxing.

                                                • 665. Re: Adobe latest FreeHand MX upgrade, Would you pay?
                                                  nina peci Level 1

                                                  confused? no... if they had developed it, it would work on Intel 

                                                  based machines. We only keep our PPC machines so we can use it. Since 

                                                  you sound so smart, maybe you can tell me what Adobe was so scared of 

                                                  to just kill off one of the best programs ever written. At the time 

                                                  of their purchace, FH was the leader. AI is now the leader becasue of 

                                                  market bullying, not because of choice.

                                                   

                                                   

                                                   

                                                  Il giorno 08/set/11, alle ore 19:46, Marian Driscoll ha scritto:

                                                   

                                                  I appreciate your passion but you are gravely confused.

                                                  >

                                                  Having and using an older version of FreeHand as a customer is a 

                                                  very different reality from Adobe developing the next version. 

                                                  There are many that still use PPC Macs but a developer would have 

                                                  to be pretty silly to develop new software for it.

                                                  >

                                                  When warriors fight there is usually some demonstration of action 

                                                  with blood and destruction. You're not even to the point of 

                                                  shadowboxing.

                                                  >

                                                  • 666. Re: Adobe latest FreeHand MX upgrade, Would you pay?
                                                    Level 5

                                                    nina peci wrote:

                                                     

                                                    ...At the time of their purchace, FH was the leader. AI is now the leader becasue of market bullying, not because of choice.

                                                    Now you are just demonstrating insanity. Do you see the pie chart at the top of this page?

                                                     

                                                    Developers do not like to market software to insane customers. That market is too unstable.

                                                    • 667. Re: Adobe latest FreeHand MX upgrade, Would you pay?
                                                      nina peci Level 1

                                                      in europe, it was the leader. and obviously i've touched a cord here 

                                                      since you've stooped down to insults. you still haven't answered my 

                                                      question about Adobe being so afraid. See ya' in court baby!

                                                       

                                                      P    Before printing this email, please decide whether it is really 

                                                      necessary.

                                                       

                                                      Il giorno 08/set/11, alle ore 20:11, Marian Driscoll ha scritto:

                                                      • 668. Re: Adobe latest FreeHand MX upgrade, Would you pay?
                                                        Level 5

                                                        I'm not dropping to insults. I am observing you make statements that are refuted by fact.  It is insane to personally believe something when you have contrary evidence before you.

                                                         

                                                        If you'd like to claim that European sales are significantly different than US sales, show some evidence.

                                                        • 669. Re: Adobe latest FreeHand MX upgrade, Would you pay?
                                                          nina peci Level 1

                                                          you show evidence that it's not true! your chart is only for the USA. 

                                                          I know cuz I was here and no body was using illustrator back then. 

                                                          Now I have to get back to work (using FH AND XPress!!! heeheehee)

                                                           

                                                           

                                                          Il giorno 08/set/11, alle ore 20:33, Marian Driscoll ha scritto:

                                                           

                                                          I'm not dropping to insults. I am observing you make statements 

                                                          that are refuted by fact.  It is insane to personally believe 

                                                          something when you have contrary evidence before you.

                                                          >

                                                          If you'd like to claim that European sales are significantly 

                                                          different than US sales, show some evidence.

                                                          >

                                                          • 670. Re: Adobe latest FreeHand MX upgrade, Would you pay?
                                                            Eric Rosenberg Level 1

                                                            Marian,

                                                             

                                                            "Blood and destruction" isn't neccessary, but legal action was, and our system provides for it.  Thanks to FreeFreehand.org, that process has begun; the fight is worthwhile, and the passions are  real.  I'll urge you to sit back, be patient, and enjoy what promises to be a long show.

                                                             

                                                             

                                                            FYI, Freehand runs quite well in the Snow  Leopard OS on my much speedy December 2010 27" iMac.  Only now, with the  release of Lion has the possibility of Freehand's continued use on BRAND  NEW MACS become impossible.  Of course there's always a chance that a  version of the Rosetta software that allows Freehand to continue working  on Intel based Macs might be made available for Lion, but that's very  far from a certainty.

                                                             

                                                            I was proud to add my name as a  plaintiff in the lawsuit against Adobe for the simple reason that what  transpired when Adobe purchased Macromedia was wrong.  When Adobe was  allowed to keep Freehand rather than sell it off, as had happened in  1994 when Adobe acquired Freehand as part of their purchase of Aldus it  was wrong.  The government regulators blew it, and we Freehand users have  been grievously harmed by what occurred.  Is this the end of Freehand?  It's possible, but perhaps not; the system will play this out, and it  may take a long time to resolve.  In the meantime, I and many others who  choose to can keep using Freehand on Macs running up to OS 10.6.7.  Will this be a bother within a year or two or three? That's possible, and  each Freehand user will have to make the choice at some point  as to whether or not to stick with Freehand, but that's the  individual's choice.

                                                             

                                                            I can't understand the attitudes  of some against those of us who wish to continue this fight.  Perhaps  they don't understand that there are some people who don't wish to  just go along like lemmings and accept the fate that a corporation dictates.  By all means, if Illustrator works for you, use it, do  great work and be happy!  However please have the courtesy and respect  to allow those of us who disagree to continue our fight without the taunts, after all, it's  not costing you anything, is it?

                                                             

                                                            Speaking of money matters, please imagine this scenario:

                                                             

                                                            – Imagine if Adobe did us the courtesy of simply making Freehand current to today's OS without changing any aspect of the program.

                                                             

                                                            – Imagine they request for $500 for such an upgrade.

                                                             

                                                            – Imagine that only the 6,000 registered FreeFreehand.org members buy that $500 upgrade.

                                                             

                                                            – Imagine $3,000,000 in Adobe's coffers for releasing a current version of Freehand that runs on Intel (not PPC!) based Macs.

                                                             

                                                            Would  it cost Adobe $3,000,000 to update the program? I can't imagine so. Surely there's a very nice profit to be made off us in the loyal  opposition. If anyone out there has knowledge of what Adobe's likely development expense would be I'd be interested to hear it.

                                                             

                                                            Freehand  may indeed be a niche product today, and some of you find our fight unrealistic. However there's real money to be made  if Adobe would choose to be reasonable. The fact is, all us Freehand users must  have a fairly current version of Illustrator handy if only to provide  files to our vendors. Even if an updated Freehand were to suddenly  appear, both programs would need to coexist in our computers for a long  time to insure our designs make it past our desktops and out into the  world. Adobe would get our money for this upgrade, we would get the software we  want and yet still have to keep Illustrator handy (and pay for it). It's a market based solution that can work for all parties if only Adobe would allow it.

                                                             

                                                            Happy anniversary FreeFreehand.org, and thanks to all the faithful out there across the globe. Keep up the good works!

                                                            • 671. Re: Adobe latest FreeHand MX upgrade, Would you pay?
                                                              maeric Level 3

                                                              Let me make this perfectly clear to all FreeHand users here:

                                                               

                                                              THE CLASS ACTION IS MOVING AHEAD.

                                                               

                                                              Preliminary exchanges between Adobe’s counsel and our attorneys are happening now and they are par for the course until a court date is set in November. Keep in mind that myself and other FFH litigants cannot comment or discuss this case... at all.

                                                               

                                                              But I can raise my mug of Dos XX this week!

                                                               

                                                              http://www.freefreehand.org/images/pr-logo-300pix.gif

                                                              • 672. Re: Adobe latest FreeHand MX upgrade, Would you pay?
                                                                Level 5

                                                                Eric Rosenberg wrote:

                                                                 

                                                                ...

                                                                 

                                                                – Imagine $3,000,000 in Adobe's coffers for releasing a current version of Freehand that runs on Intel (not PPC!) based Macs...

                                                                One does not need to imagine. There's already an Intel version of FreeHand. You can run it on an Intel Mac by installing Windows or Wine. I run FreeHand MX on Linux through Wine. It should be no different in OS X.

                                                                • 673. Re: Adobe latest FreeHand MX upgrade, Would you pay?
                                                                  Jack.sg Level 1

                                                                  Hello to all Freehand Users and FreeFreehand.org,

                                                                   

                                                                  Indeed Thank you so much for making Freehand a software that is still use today.

                                                                   

                                                                  The hope that one day we will see the lights of FH shine is enough for FH user to be happy.

                                                                   

                                                                  I must be honest that although I am quietly hoping that FH will see the lights one day, I am preparing for the worst.

                                                                   

                                                                  Adobe Illustrator is a powerful software, I am using it every day now. Getting work done with it every day.


                                                                  Study it, work on it, learned it. Reading, tutorial and now almost 2 years.
                                                                  I am getting ready for the worst to come but still using Freehand as I have tones of files that was done in the past.
                                                                  Every time I get back to the familiar FH, it become quite clear why FH users will always love this wonderful program.
                                                                  Now that I have tasted both program in depth.
                                                                  Both program have it strength and weaknesses of cause.
                                                                  Which would I choose? I will take both.

                                                                   

                                                                  But I could not have imagine if FH was upgraded a long time ago, what would it have become now.
                                                                  The speed was incredible, the designed of the interface, the software was for human, for people, it is so natural.
                                                                  Everything was right about this software except it was not an Adobe member from the beginning and Illustrator was.

                                                                   

                                                                  I am sad that I have little choice but am happy I met FH.

                                                                   

                                                                  I will always love FH.

                                                                   

                                                                  Cheers
                                                                  Jack
                                                                  • 674. Re: Adobe latest FreeHand MX upgrade, Would you pay?
                                                                    thumahawk Level 1

                                                                    Dear FreeHand friends

                                                                     

                                                                    This ongoing vivid discussion is just one of many proofs of how very alive FreeHand still is. As Mark pointed out, the legal process is ongoing. Such an undertaking needs much time and effort, that's why FFH is on it for two years and will continue as long as it takes.

                                                                     

                                                                    Sadly we have someone commenting on this thread who's only intention is to mock around. As this person has shown to have in fact only few knowledge about the subject of this ongoing discussion (not even understanding the PPC/Intel problem, as shown in that persons last post) the logical solution is we all ignore it.

                                                                     

                                                                    Thank you all for your good spirit and your believing in a good cause. Together we can change the future!

                                                                     

                                                                    Thü

                                                                    FFH

                                                                    • 675. Re: Adobe latest FreeHand MX upgrade, Would you pay?
                                                                      Robert Philpotts Level 1

                                                                      For all of those people that constantly tell us we should just suck it up and use illustrator, they are missing the whole point,

                                                                      most of us DO use illustrator along with Freehand, that's not the point,

                                                                       

                                                                      The point is many of us have thousands of files (17 years worth in my case) that we still need to access daily and there's no realistic way to access those files other than through a working install of Freehand

                                                                       

                                                                      I would be happy if Adobe didn't add any new features or develop the app in any way, in fact don't change anything, just keep it working with the latest OS's and I will keep paying for updates, it's as simple as that.

                                                                      • 676. Re: Adobe latest FreeHand MX upgrade, Would you pay?
                                                                        Nortenho Level 1

                                                                        Freehand is a tool i work with every day.

                                                                        I experienced with several softwares from the begining (Freehand 3.1, Illustrator, Corel) and i chose the best, the most intuitive and simple, i chose Freehand.

                                                                         

                                                                        Even now with Postscript level 3 i can't do with illustrator what i do with Freehand. I don't want filters that i can't control (even Freehand went that way), for filters and work with cmyk images i use Photoshop. Spot colors with filters and transparencies with color and halftone control??? forget it.

                                                                         

                                                                        Illustrator is good for improved creativity because it has a lot of filters and effects and that is good if i go to digital printing, but that are other lines of business in graphic world.

                                                                         

                                                                        All the tools in Freehand are simpler to understand, it has more usefull tool's and easier tasks than illustrator or other programs.

                                                                         

                                                                         

                                                                        In Europe Freehand had a good share of the market, in my country was bigger than Illustrator, the problem was that Adobe was a bigger company and began making showcases and supporting companies that gave formation in softwares, Macromedia went to sleep....

                                                                         

                                                                        Adobe marketing was good but not enough even "sleeping" Macromedia had a better product for vector so the rest of the story all of us know...

                                                                         

                                                                         

                                                                        I hope that Freehand has a future, i think its easy to Adobe technically to do it...pride its another mater.

                                                                        • 677. Re: Adobe latest FreeHand MX upgrade, Would you pay?
                                                                          Level 5

                                                                          thumahawk wrote:

                                                                           

                                                                          ...(not even understanding the PPC/Intel problem, as shown in that persons last post)...

                                                                          You appear to have no understanding of what I described. I understand the PPC/Intel problem perfectly well. I use multiple platforms. I'm not locked into Apple's schizophrenic development. I have the ability to choose. Why don't you give yourself the same ability?

                                                                           

                                                                           

                                                                          Robert Philpotts wrote:

                                                                           

                                                                          ...The point is many of us have thousands of files (17 years worth in my case) that we still need to access daily and there's no realistic way to access those files other than through a working install of Freehand

                                                                           

                                                                          I would be happy if Adobe didn't add any new features or develop the app in any way, in fact don't change anything, just keep it working with the latest OS's and I will keep paying for updates, it's as simple as that.

                                                                          I have a large library (16 years worth) of FreeHand files as well. However, if you and I cannot bother to take the time to convert those files to formats that work with modern software, what deludes us to think it is simple for Adobe to maintain FreeHand for modern systems? Do any of us have a developer's understanding of the FreeHand code to know for certain that it is simple to maintain this software?

                                                                           

                                                                          Here's an interesting post from someone named "Mark".

                                                                           

                                                                          Mark — 1:58 PM on June 23, 2010:


                                                                          “The former FH engineering manager tells me, “Macromedia stopped development on FreeHand about a year before the merger was announced.” Over the years of reading your blog, the FreeHand argument keeps rearing its head. Here it is again as I was catching up on some of your past entries for June. You have to repeat the above quote every time and what you said is correct, Macromedia DID stop development of FreeHand a few years before Adobe’s acquisition.

                                                                           

                                                                          What needs some clarifying is “why” it was stopped, as on face-value it appears it was due to customer apathy or sales. John, you’ll like this inside story of the bigger picture from the FreeHand/Fireworks developers via programmer, Andy Finnell: http://losingfight.com/blog/2007/05/17/rip-freehand/ I highly recommend a full read but this quote gets to the guts of Macromedia’s decision;


                                                                          “The most disappointing thing about FreeHand was Macromedia never let it live up to its full potential. After FreeHand fell behind Illustrator in market share, they pretty much ceded it. They had Dreamweaver and Flash, which were now their big money makers, and pretty much lost all interest in the print world. They kept trying to force FreeHand to be Flash, or to at least remake FreeHand for the web, instead of focusing on what FreeHand did best (print), and capturing that market.” – Andy Finnell

                                                                           

                                                                          Macromedia’s management had its eyesight set on web and live content and the print world was seen as archaic. The FreeHand staff knew this and put all their talents into making the last FreeHand the best it could be. Thus FH-MX is up-to-date enough that David Macy’s team is still pulling features from it and FreeHand users are still using it despite it’s age. (BTW, Macromedia also dropped Fontographer from their lineup as it too was print oriented, to be picked up by FontLab.com).

                                                                           

                                                                          So the question is why even hold on to FreeHand anymore? Sell it off or open-source it, but get it out of Adobe so you guys aren’t dealing with these endless criticisms and complaints. It’s been 4 years and no letup of the vocal FreeHand user base. Illustrator has farmed the features off it and if they haven’t pulled in FreeHand users after 4 years, it obviously isn’t going to happen. Illustrator has huge market share after all and the CHOICE campaign sure makes sense with selling off the old FreeHand. Hmm, maybe send GoLive along with it. ;^)

                                                                           

                                                                           

                                                                          I'm really hoping that this is not the same Mark of FFH. FFH, in it's motion, claimed that Adobe ended development of FH and seeks corrective action from Adobe. This post from 2010 recognizes that Macromedia ended development. While the truth can be easily explained by internal Macromedia and Adobe records that could be exposed in trial, I would question the character of someone if they admitted one thing one day and then claimed it was something else another day. That ruins credibility before a court and before donors that expect their funds to be used in the most responsible way.

                                                                           

                                                                          I'm not here to dash anyone's hopes. I like FreeHand and wish it would continue to be maintained. I'm just trying to explain that some of the beliefs that some of us have are not grounded in reality. I wish 'good luck', as that is all there may be to the idea of an updated FreeHand.

                                                                          • 678. Re: Adobe latest FreeHand MX upgrade, Would you pay?
                                                                            steveoh Level 1

                                                                            It's 2011, I just updated my Mac to Lion, and now my copy of Freehand is useless unless I boot Snow Leopard or another previous version of the Mac OS. Yes, I have an older PPC machine that I can use to access my files, but I'm not likely to keep that machine forever. I'm ready for a new MacBook and that's going to further push me away from the old machines and software.

                                                                             

                                                                            I have mountains of old FH files and I'm not about to attempt to export them so I can then use Illustrator, a needlessly complex tool I find cumbersome, unintuitive and irritating to use. And yes I own Illustrator. &*%$&!

                                                                             

                                                                            Adobe should at the very least sell FH, or OpenSource it. To just let it die when there are still so many loyal users out there is criminal. If they are not willing to sell it or OpenSource it then they should fix it.

                                                                             

                                                                            Steve

                                                                            • 679. Re: Adobe latest FreeHand MX upgrade, Would you pay?
                                                                              Level 5

                                                                              Why don't you open source your FH files (as in, give them away freely) so that others can update them to work in modern software?

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