4 Replies Latest reply on May 20, 2018 9:41 AM by rayek.elfin

    'save as png' in photoshop cc 2018. bug or design?

    Pietro Spina

      i recently updated several of my creative cloud apps, including photoshop to release 19.0.


      when saving as png there is a new 'medium' compression option, which is nice. however, the range of file size difference between 'large', 'medium', or 'small' is negligible, or sometimes non-existent. i would casually observe that as a general rule of thumb the previous choice between 'none' or 'small' resulted in compression generally somewhere around 75-80%, as measured by fiie size. now? zero, zip, zilch, nada.


      in a recent test the resulting file sizes from 'save as large' to 'save as small' were identical to the kb.


      is this the new normal, or is this a bug?

        • 1. Re: 'save as png' in photoshop cc 2018. bug or design?
          Test Screen Name Most Valuable Participant

          Well there isn’t much scope in PNG for improvements. Because it is lossless, the only way to improve it is to spend longer looking for repeated patterns in the picture. Presumably someone felt they wanted a middle point between slowest and fastest, but it may not make a difference in many cases. Depends on the image.

          • 2. Re: 'save as png' in photoshop cc 2018. bug or design?
            rayek.elfin Level 4

            Photoshop's PNG export and the old Save for Web are somewhat limited in regards to optimization options. Preprocessing an image with various techniques may reduce the size of an image drastically, though. Refer to How To Optimize PNG – Smashing Magazine, for example (it is an old article, but the information is still correct - excepting that the current releases of Photoshop can export 8bit indexed PNG files with full transparency).


            However, I suggest getting ColorQuantizer instead, since it will save you a tremendous amount of time, and will result in even smaller file sizes anyway in almost all cases.


            Get it here (download the latest version):  Color quantizer


            Save your work as a full 24bit (+ 8bit alpha channel if required) quality PNG file, and open it in CQ. You'll find various settings to finely control the optimization process under the small colour palette icon. Dithering amount, gradient<->colours balance, threshold for rare colours, dithering method, colour space, and more can be controlled. Specific colours can be controlled as well during conversion.


            Aside from that a quality brush allows for creating a quality mask on the fly to tell CQ which parts of an image should be preserved at a higher quality. And finally it is possible to reduce the number of colours to any number - not just 256.


            If PNG optimization (best image quality and smallest file size) is important to you, Color Quantizer is a life-saver. No other PNG optimization tool on the market compares. If you are running a Mac, use WINE to run it - it's worth it. Best of all: it's free.


            Btw, if you are saving PNG files to maintain a lossless quality archive of images, I suggest you look into lossless WebP, which creates smaller file sizes than PNG. Unfortunately Photoshop is still unable to natively open or export WebP images (crazy in this day and age!!!), so a plugin is required.

            Telegraphics - Free plugins for Photoshop & Illustrator...and other software

            • 3. Re: 'save as png' in photoshop cc 2018. bug or design?

              I have the same issue/question. I can't believe what a disaster saving my transparent PNG files is now. I used to be able to select small/slow and my files would save reasonably fast. Now the same file size saved on small/slow basically takes so long it makes it unreasonable to choose this option and as well does not decrease file size at all, sometimes it's even larger! -- Now I have to save all my files at large/fast to have any kind of speed I can deal with and my files have to be upwards 40-50 mb when I used to be able to compress to 10 mb?? --- What gives ??

              • 4. Re: 'save as png' in photoshop cc 2018. bug or design?
                rayek.elfin Level 4

                ZenStudio Adobe products have never been very good at saving well optimized PNG images, unless a lot of manual grunt work is performed on them. The latest PNG export is marginally improved (at least PS exports indexed PNGs with full transparency now), but provides the user with little control over specific settings.


                That is why I suggest that you export your PNG files at full quality, and optimize those files in third-party non-Adobe tools, such as Color Quantizer, or the various other alternatives.