7 Replies Latest reply on Nov 13, 2017 7:59 AM by MikeGondek

    Using Illustrator Library in InDesign

    MikeGondek Adobe Community Professional & MVP

      I usually work in Illustrator, but we have a big project with multiple pages so want to use InDesign as Table Of Contents will be useful. Was great to see the library I created in Illustrator works for the most part in InDesign, but have some questions:

       

      1) The first 2 logos selected keeps coming in empty, would you know why that happens? I do have display performance set to high.

      2) Is there an outline view as in Illustrator? Would be very handy to for example, make the bars only in the barcode taller, and I like to confirm I got vector data quickly rather than zooming extremely close, or using edit original.

       

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      I think the reason the first 2 logos come in blank is because I put some paths filled with none, to help define the safety zone for no other graphics.

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      The Legend & Pink Note I may not need so not worried about that, but you can see the issues as the job legend is showing as  "Save as" and the pink not is too thin.  and no preview.

       

      Illustrator also allows you to placed as linked or place as copy. Can you for example option drag an item in InDesign to place as a copy, which we like to do, for edibility.

        • 1. Re: Using Illustrator Library in InDesign
          Steve Werner Adobe Community Professional & MVP

          I've never seen it documented but I believe that Illustrator graphics are saved it the CC libraries as PDF files. Other applications cannot work with AI files directly.

           

          You could place the Illustrator file into InDesign to view how this artwork works if you place an AI (in which case it will display the PDF).

           

          When you're placing an AI file or an AI graphic from the CC libraries, you will not be able to edit it in InDesign. If you right-click on the graphic in the Library, choose Place Linked. If you need to edit the graphic, right-click graphic in CC Libraries and choose Edit. This will open the graphic in Illustrator (as a temporary file). Save the edits and it will be updated in the CC library. Then the graphic will be updated in InDesign.

          • 2. Re: Using Illustrator Library in InDesign
            Laubender Adobe Community Professional & MVP

            MikeGondek  wrote

            2) Is there an outline view as in Illustrator?

            Hi Mike,

            simply put: no.

             

            There was a lengthy discussion about this some years ago:

            Outline view in InDesign is missing

             

            Regards,
            Uwe

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            • 3. Re: Using Illustrator Library in InDesign
              Chad Chelius Adobe Community Professional

              I think Steve and Use already answered question 2 for sure. Regarding those logos that don't appear… One thing that confuses users, is that if you add a placed Illustrator file to a Library from within InDesign, it's adding a reference to the placed graphic on your hard drive or server. So when you re-use that asset, you still need access to the location of that original asset. For better and more reliable behavior, open the logo in Illustrator, select the artwork, and drag it into the library. This is now a native Illustrator object that "lives" in the cloud entirely. So when you place this in InDesign, it's actually referencing the artwork in the cloud. I'm not positive this is what you're encountering but it appears that way. Hope that helps!

              • 4. Re: Using Illustrator Library in InDesign
                Steve Werner Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                I totally agree with Chad: When you're adding the Illustrator graphic within InDesign, you can't edit it. If you add the Illustrator graphic within Illustrator, it becomes an editable object.

                • 5. Re: Using Illustrator Library in InDesign
                  MikeGondek Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                  Thanks so much for your replies, is not working for me though. If I copy this logo in Illustrator 2018 and paste into  InDesign 2018, I cannot edit that paths and recolor fills, like I used to. Also Indesign trims the logo so the bonding box does tho include the shapes filled with nine, I use as a graphics safety zone around logo.

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                  I recreated the library item from CC2018, so that seems to have resolved the issue of the logo coming up blank. Seems the version you use to add to the library makes a big difference, as I encountered this in using just Illustrator alone.

                   

                   

                  http://files.kaleidoscopechicago.com/_d0018aUklRos0R

                  AbbottHorizMin.ai

                  295 KB

                  The URL will expire on Dec 13.

                   

                   

                  Also the layer names from Illustrator are not remembered anymore. This seems to be a 2018 issue as the layer names used to hold in Illustrator 2015 & 2017 which was very useful. Now library items drop onto the layer you have selected. To me in a design environment that goes to final print is not good, as this promotes items going onto the wrong layers and you have to switch layers more often.

                  • 6. Re: Using Illustrator Library in InDesign
                    Steve Werner Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                    Copy and paste from Illustrator only works with extremely simple objects:

                     

                    https://indesignsecrets.com/the-magic-number.php

                     

                    Only if it's within that limit is it editable. If it's more than that it's embedded EPS or PDF file which can't be edited.

                    • 7. Re: Using Illustrator Library in InDesign
                      MikeGondek Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                      That post seems outdated for 2018. I only have 17 paths, not even close to 500, and appears that library objects are temp files stored as .ai on the server.

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                      Even if I paste a CC2018 Illustrator filled vector circle with no strokes into InDesign CC2018, I cannot change the color or dit the paths.