37 Replies Latest reply on Dec 16, 2017 5:15 PM by dinoanimator

    Monthly subscriptions

    dinoanimator Level 1

      I like many kids, love animation, love making it, but i can't afford 20 dollars a month. It's very bias to say "make it" on your ads, and expect little kids like me, to come up with a monthly subscription. Animation was gonna be one of my dream jobs, and when that was taken away from me, i  was depressed - i am depressed, my heart is broken. Yeah, i will probably be able to afford it in the future, but that's a different place, and i need practice. 20 dollars a month comes out to 240 dollars a year, and while you MAY be able to make money off of it, there are (and i could be wrong) 1 billion people on the internet. imagine trying to find one exact piece. You would need to pay a lot to get it to be noticed. 240 dollars a year is like asking for a cheap hotel. Animate does not provide you shelter, it does not feed you, nor does it give you water. Once again, this was going to be a career for me, but i can't afford a career that's 20 dollars or more a month. Sure there are free alternatives, but i love animate, and my trial, my 7 day trial made me feel right at home.

       

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        • 1. Re: Monthly subscriptions
          Szalam Adobe Community Professional & MVP

          Tools for a career cost money sometimes. A chef needs quality knives, pots, pans, etc. A mechanic needs a garage and many expensive tools. The same is true for plumbers, electricians, doctors, etc. Working with Adobe's software is actually a lot cheaper than many other career options!

           

          If your life's dream was to be a mechanic, you might not be able to afford a garage with a lift and the dozens of tools necessary to repair cars right now, but you could learn as much as possible about cars now in preparation for the time when you can afford to get the needed equipment. The same is true for working with animation. Study the basics now, draw with a pen and paper, watch videos online of others' work, and immerse yourself in the craft as best you can. You will be much better prepared when the time comes.

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            Szalam Adobe Community Professional & MVP

            Also, once you get a career in it, Adobe's software can give you shelter, food, and water. I use Cinema 4D, After Effects, and Premiere Pro for my daily job. I've bought a house, buy my groceries, and pay my water bill with money I've earned using those three pieces of software.

             

            How old are you? Find odd jobs you can do to earn $20 a month. I pay more than that every two weeks in the summer to the kid who mows my lawn. If you really want to do this, you'll find a way.

            • 3. Re: Monthly subscriptions
              Chuck Uebele Adobe Community Professional & MVP

              I agree with what Szalam has said. There are tools that cost that you need to advance your career, no matter what path you choose. When I was in high school - way before the digital age, I was very into photography. A 100 sheet box of photo paper cost me $20, not to mention, chemicals, film, enlarging equipment, etc. Now that box of paper runs about $300 to give you an idea of the comparable costs. All my free money went into my photography. At one point in high school I was working 3 jobs: delivering papers for the L.A. Times (1am to 6am), printing color portraits for a portrait photographer (3:30 pm to about 6 pm), and occasionally shooting jobs for the local paper. In college, I was working 60 hour weeks at a color photo lab. You do what you have to do to make it and advance your career, and a lot of that means sacrificing in other areas. You will get farther in life spending that $20 on software that you need, rather than spending it on movies, eating out, the latest electronic gadgets, etc.

              • 4. Re: Monthly subscriptions
                pziecina Adobe Community Professional

                If you wished to become an engineer, would you expect someone to supply all the tools required for nothing just because you are learning?

                 

                The reality of life is that no company can afford to give their products away for free, and if they did that cost would have to be recuperated from those who do pay for the products. I have no intention of paying for your 'tools'.

                 

                You could tell your parents/carers/elders, that you wish them to buy you the product as a present, instead of holidays or other 'treats'.

                • 5. Re: Monthly subscriptions
                  dinoanimator Level 1

                  What i am trying to say, is i would like to just pay once, then to keep paying. The cost of 20 dollars a month will pass however much the perpetual cost is, doesn't matter how long, its gonna pass it eventually. I come from a poor family, we don't have the money to pay 20 dollars a month. I do not expect all of the tools to be right there. All i am saying, is that i would prefer the option to choose between a perpetual license, and a monthly subscription. And besides, something might come up, medical bills that costs thousands of dollars, anything, and in that time, i would prefer to not have to pay to keep it.

                  • 6. Re: Monthly subscriptions
                    John T Smith Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                    Some people have been saying that ever since Adobe switched from CS6 to Cloud subscriptions

                     

                    It hasn't  happened yet, and I don't think it will ever happen

                     

                    So your choice is Adobe programs for a monthly fee, or a program that does the same work, from a different company

                    • 7. Re: Monthly subscriptions
                      jane-e Adobe Community Professional

                      dinoanimator  wrote

                      Animation was gonna be one of my dream jobs, and when that was taken away from me, i  was depressed - i am depressed, my heart is broken.

                       

                      I'm sorry to hear that you have given up on your dream job because you can't or are unwilling to find extra jobs or give up something else to save money to make this work for you. In the end, that is your choice, of course.

                       

                      It's nice to hear that you enjoyed the free week. How long do you think it would take to start making money off your investment so that it begins to pay for itself?

                      • 8. Re: Monthly subscriptions
                        dinoanimator Level 1

                        jane-e  wrote

                         

                        dinoanimator   wrote

                        Animation was gonna be one of my dream jobs, and when that was taken away from me, i  was depressed - i am depressed, my heart is broken.

                         

                        I'm sorry to hear that you have given up on your dream job because you can't or are unwilling to find extra jobs or give up something else to save money to make this work for you. In the end, that is your choice, of course.

                         

                        It's nice to hear that you enjoyed the free week. How long do you think it would take to start making money off your investment so that it begins to pay for itself?

                        It depends, i want to upload on youtube, but there is already so much animations up on there, i think it would take a long time

                        • 9. Re: Monthly subscriptions
                          dinoanimator Level 1

                          Sorry, i did upload on youtube

                          • 10. Re: Monthly subscriptions
                            Nancy OShea Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                            dinoanimator  wrote

                             

                            I like many kids...

                             

                            I like many kids, too.  I think what you're trying to say is you LIKE Animation.  But you DON'T LIKE to pay for software.   Have you tried any of the open source products?

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                              dinoanimator Level 1

                              Yes, i have. All of them either turn a circle i drew into a line, or some weird shape, or they aren't frame by frame animation.

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                                dinoanimator Level 1

                                Sorry i meant, I, like many kids not i like them. (If that's even correct

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                                  dinoanimator Level 1

                                  Also, i willing to pay for software, but not a monthly subscription one. I feel we should get the choice between a 20 dollars monthly subscription, and something like a 600 dollar (or however much they charge) permanent license. Think of it like this, anything could happen, a medical emergency, a storm that tears down your house, and you lose all your data, you can't pay.

                                  Plus, monthly subscriptions are INFINITELY long - they never end (unless you stop using the software), but a static cost will end, and a monthly subscription, can come out to thousands, tens of thousands of dollars. I for one would rather pay how ever much is there permanent. (and i do get that they are making more money off of this, but i feel as a customer, we should get the choice to choose on which pricing we want to buy). i think it's about making the customer happy, and getting money.

                                  • 14. Re: Monthly subscriptions
                                    dinoanimator Level 1

                                    *am willing to pay for software

                                    • 15. Re: Monthly subscriptions
                                      Trevor.Dennis Adobe Community Professional (Moderator)

                                      Nancy surely has the answer.  In fact if the OP likes Animate then fine tune the search to 'Adobe Animate alternatives'

                                       

                                      https://www.topbestalternatives.com/adobe-animate-cc/

                                       

                                      Find a forum focused purely on animation and ask what they mostly use. You'll need to have a good idea of what sort of animation you want to produce, and what formats you'll want to output to.

                                      http://www.toonzone.net/forums/forums/general-animation/

                                       

                                      I'm thinking that the secret to finding the right software is to find one with lots of free tutorials.  It sounds like the OP is fairly young, so they are surely going to be able to learn other apps without trouble. 

                                       

                                      When you get into it, look for local companies with nice websites and design and make an animation they will find irresistible and absolutely must have for their websites, and then sell it to them.  Ask the guys on the Toonzone forum how you can make some dollars with animation.

                                       

                                      One thing that comes to mind is what sort of computer hardware the OP is using, and if it is up to running this software?

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                                      • 16. Re: Monthly subscriptions
                                        pziecina Adobe Community Professional

                                        I'm going to burst the bubble surrounding the use of programs like Adobe Animate for you.

                                         

                                        You do not not require them.

                                         

                                        All programs like Animate do for you is provide a visual interface for using the html5 canvas element. You could create your animations using just a free code editor, such as Adobe Brackets, or Microsofts visual studio code. Then show your animation in a browser, (you could even create webGL 3d animations this way).

                                         

                                        All you need to do is learn javascript.

                                         

                                        You could even do 70% of the animations i have seen using nothing but html and css animations, (a combination of transforms, transitions and keyframes).

                                         

                                        So the completely free alternative is a free code editor, and learning to use html, css and javascript, (for programming the canvas element).

                                        • 17. Re: Monthly subscriptions
                                          Nancy OShea Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                          If you're over 13 and have access to a credit or debit card, you can pay annually instead of monthly.   But perpetual licenses are gone for good.

                                          • 18. Re: Monthly subscriptions
                                            Nancy OShea Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                            dinoanimator  wrote

                                             

                                            Yes, i have. All of them either turn a circle i drew into a line, or some weird shape, or they aren't frame by frame animation.

                                             

                                            You could create your stills or frames in a vector graphics drawing app.

                                            Have you ever tried Inkscape?  It's similar in some ways to Illustrator.

                                            https://inkscape.org/en/

                                            • 19. Re: Monthly subscriptions
                                              dinoanimator Level 1

                                              I am 12. I come from a very poor family that on an average survives on 50 or more dollars to get groceries. Not that much. I don't have any neighbors i know that i can mow their lawn, or anything. The only thing i have done, am are trying to do is put my art on deviant art, and sell stuff online

                                              • 20. Re: Monthly subscriptions
                                                Chuck Uebele Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                I would do what pziecina suggested and learn to code this stuff. You're not going to get rich posting on youtube, but learning to code can get you decent work.

                                                • 21. Re: Monthly subscriptions
                                                  jane-e Adobe Community Professional

                                                  dinoanimator  wrote

                                                  I am 12.

                                                   

                                                   

                                                  dinoanimator

                                                  Please keep that dream of being an animator. You can do this! Follow the advice given by others, and do what you can do now by watching free tutorials and using other software or learning to code. Work hard and develop your skills. Tell your teachers and other adults what you are trying to do. There may be something in the school system for you--if not this year then next year or the year after.

                                                   

                                                  Best of luck to you and all that you do!

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                                                  • 22. Re: Monthly subscriptions
                                                    Brad Lawryk Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                    Also keep in mind that if you are still in school (which I assume you are if you say you are a kid), Adobe has a very good Education rate for students and teachers.

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                                                      Nancy OShea Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                      If $20/month is a hardship, the student rate won't help much.

                                                       

                                                      I think learning to draw in Inkscape and code animations manually will be the best possible education at this point.

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                                                        cmgap Adobe Community Professional

                                                        Hi Dinoanimater - can you post a link to your artwork on Deviant Art? I'd love to see what you've been working on!

                                                        • 26. Re: Monthly subscriptions
                                                          dinoanimator Level 1

                                                          Thanks! By the way i am home-schooled .-.

                                                          • 27. Re: Monthly subscriptions
                                                            Szalam Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                            You're twelve? Then you have nothing to worry about!

                                                             

                                                            I grew up the same way as you (poor and homeschooled), but (for a large portion of my childhood) with less money.

                                                            So I understand your struggle. Do what I did: learn with what you have available to you even without money. Learn to consume media smartly. When you are watching animations, learn from them. Why is that movement funny? Why does that movement suggest danger? Etc.

                                                            Draw, draw, draw.

                                                            Make flip book animations to test timing.

                                                            Grab open source software and play with it.

                                                            Learn as much as you can.

                                                            Don't fret about not having access to Animate now. By the time you're old enough to worry about having a career, all of the software is going to be different! The fundamentals of animation though, will still be the same. Learn the fundamentals; not software. (You could start here.)

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                                                            • 28. Re: Monthly subscriptions
                                                              Brad Lawryk Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                              Hope you turn 13 soon ..... you are actually breaking the terms and conditions of Deviantart if you are indeed only 12.

                                                               

                                                              Terms of Service | DeviantArt

                                                               

                                                              13. Registration

                                                              To register as a member of the Service or purchase products, you must be 13 years ......

                                                               

                                                              Not that I care. I say all the best to you. This just shows you have plenty of time to learn. Learn as much as you can with what you have available. ;-)

                                                              • 29. Re: Monthly subscriptions
                                                                cmgap Adobe Community Professional

                                                                Very nice... keep posting your work! Have you heard of Adobe's Artist in Residency program? This could be you in a few years... Adobe Creative Residency | Adobe

                                                                 

                                                                Keep creating, learning, connecting with mentors that are doing the kind of work you want to do. Where there is a will there is a way.

                                                                 

                                                                When you start to think you don't have what you need don't believe that. It's an unproductive thought. Animate your ideas with a story board on paper and post it for comments. Check these out: https://www.google.com/search?q=animation+storyboard+sketching&client=firefox-b-1-ab&tbm=i sch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved…

                                                                 

                                                                Animators start out sketching and drawing. Software is dumb - first you have to know how to develop your ideas constructively.

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                                                                • 30. Re: Monthly subscriptions
                                                                  dinoanimator Level 1

                                                                  Thanks dude! (not sarcastically just to be clear)

                                                                  • 31. Re: Monthly subscriptions
                                                                    Myra Ferguson Adobe Community Professional

                                                                    Don't give up on your dream. Get resourceful! The educational discount is a great way to go, but you can also try to win software. There's an online Adobe event tonight where they are giving out a 12-month Creative Cloud subscription. You'll probably need a parent to register for you (I'm guessing the winner will need to be over 18 to win). Here's the link to register Home - Creative Cloud Events This one is for After Effects, which might also interest you. Check out other Adobe events (Home - Creative Cloud Events ), too, because they often give out a 12-month CC prize. Also check if there is an Adobe User Group near you (Adobe User Group directory). User groups get to raffle software every six months.

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                                                                    • 33. Re: Monthly subscriptions
                                                                      Ussnorway Adobe Community Professional

                                                                      can i point something out to you; animation =

                                                                      • web animation
                                                                      • banners i.e, google adds and billboards
                                                                      • game... as in your character and other npc
                                                                      • movie, includes every thing from Barbie and the white horse to terminator

                                                                       

                                                                      they are different styles and use different software but my point is all have their own rules that don't apply when you step outside their industry so be clear about which one you want to learn at school

                                                                      • 34. Re: Monthly subscriptions
                                                                        dinoanimator Level 1

                                                                        Hey thanks, i am going to learn how to code. I have already thought out the design for my animation software, just having a little trouble trying to figure out what language i should use to code my interface, make it interactive, make the brush, the frames, etc. 

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                                                                          dinoanimator Level 1

                                                                          Thanks, i am going to learn javascript more. I have thought out what my animation software will look like, and i think it will turn out really well.

                                                                          • 36. Re: Monthly subscriptions
                                                                            Ussnorway Adobe Community Professional

                                                                            dinoanimator  wrote

                                                                             

                                                                            Thanks, i am going to learn javascript more.

                                                                            you will need a basic HTML understanding before you move into javascript so doen't skip the first lessons... even if they are boring

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                                                                              dinoanimator Level 1

                                                                              Thanks i know, i am learning html5 too