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      • 40. Re: Do You Need to Know EVERYTHING?
        pziecina Level 6

        https://forums.adobe.com/people/Brian+Stoppee  wrote

         

        Janet & I have created college curriculum for dozens of courses. And the Getting Started packages are by no mean college level stuff, but we're 101% certain that someone could do a cool Dreamweaver tour. It should show the Code. Live, and Design View modes, but no, teaching coding wouldn't fit with the rest of the series. That's too deep.

         

        And, yes, being able to see Animate, Dreamweaver, and Muse, each with their own Getting Started would help people to figure out what makes the three apps unique from each other.

        Sorry Brian, whilst I agree for the none web developer a getting started tour would be usefull, for someone who must actually use Dw though, it would be little better than useless.

         

        Knowing where everything is in Dw, (unlike most other Adobe programs) would be of no use in telling the user what to do in Dw to develop a site or application, use any of the features, or help the user in customising Dw. What would be helpfull to someone new to Dw that is intending to develop sites or applications, would be to take idea of a getting started tour one step further.

         

        By that I mean that it would help potential users to actually show them how to instal and customise code themes, install 3rd party extensions to add functionality, customise the layout, set-up Dw to use none supported file types or even how to use use custom versions of bootstrap, or bootstrap version 4.

         

        As for Dw's design view, telling users the limitations, (which are many) should also be included.

        • 41. Re: Do You Need to Know EVERYTHING?
          Brian Stoppee Adobe Community Professional

          pziecina  wrote

          Sorry Brian, whilst I agree for the none web developer a getting started tour would be usefull, for someone who must actually use Dw though, it would be little better than useless.

           

          I'm pretty sure these Getting Started series packages are for people who know very little about them.

           

          By way of example, if someone has been working in InDesign for many years and never did ANYTHING in web/mobile. They've been told, "Dreamweaver is WAY over your head. You need Muse." But that InDesign subscriber might think, "Maybe they're right, but I want to find out for myself." So, if that designer got those first four 3 or 4 minute videos for Muse and the same for Dreamweaver, they either say, "WHOA! Muse is just like InDesign. I'm in. Forget all that Dreamweaver code stuff." Or, the response might be, "Coding doesn't scare me. I want to do it all. Dreamweaver's for me."

           

          That's the kind of overview this series offers people. They're not taking the place of lynda.com or "Classroom in a Book" or any college course.

           

          They are guided tours and nice done tours, at that.

           

          They fit a very specific newbie audience and we applaud that.

          • 42. Re: Do You Need to Know EVERYTHING?
            pziecina Level 6

            Anyone even thinking about using Dw, MUST know how to code BEFORE using it. Without that knowledge it is not even worth thinking about using Dw.

             

            There is a massive difference between building a web site using Muse, and building a site using Dw. With Muse a getting started tour may be helpful, as it uses a visual interface, Dw does not have an actual visual interface for layout, though Adobe did try and market Dw as having a visual interface for many years, (and many people still think it does). Yes Dw does have the insert panel and css designer, but if someone does not know code, using them will certainly produce invalid code.

             

            Browser, (especially those in newer mobile devices) have already started to show a blank page to users if the code contains too many errors, and desktop browsers are now following, and it has always been the case that the end user will probably not see the page as intended if the browser goes into quirks mode.

             

            Even moving between Muse and Animate would present a none coder with difficulties. Moving between Muse and Dw is for a none coder impossible. It is not even recommended to try and transfer the code used by Muse or Animate to Dreamweaver, as both produce what would in Dw be 'spaghetti' code. Animate packages the code it produces to an oem file, which is not editable in Dw. Muse whilst creating html files, requires an excessive amount of support files to work, and even though many have tried to edit Muse files in Dw, nothing beyond very basic changes are possible.

            • 43. Re: Do You Need to Know EVERYTHING?
              Brian Stoppee Adobe Community Professional

              pziecina  wrote

               

              Anyone even thinking about using Dw, MUST know how to code BEFORE using it.

               

              There's plenty of great, effective curriculum for Dreamweaver which allows the student to ramp up to coding.

              • 44. Re: Do You Need to Know EVERYTHING?
                Brian Stoppee Adobe Community Professional

                https://forums.adobe.com/people/Brian+Stoppee  wrote

                 

                There's plenty of great, effective curriculum for Dreamweaver which allows the student to ramp up to coding.

                 

                I have not taken the current Dreamweaver Adobe Certified Expert of Adobe Certified Associate exams.

                 

                Does anyone know if either of those exams require knowing how to code to be certified in those apps?

                • 45. Re: Do You Need to Know EVERYTHING?
                  MACnTUTOR Level 3

                  HI Brian. Yes to both the ACA and ACE exams. The objectives of both exams make this clear:
                  .
                  ACA Objectives:
                  Adobe Education Exchange

                  .

                  ACE Objectives:

                  https://training.adobe.com/certification/exams/dreamweaver_cc_2015/_jcr_content/sampleExam

                   

                  cheers and Happy Holidays to you and Janet!
                  Thomas

                  • 46. Re: Do You Need to Know EVERYTHING?
                    Brian Stoppee Adobe Community Professional

                    MACnTUTOR  wrote

                     

                    HI Brian. Yes to both the ACA and ACE exams. The objectives of both exams make this clear:
                    .
                    ACA Objectives:
                    Adobe Education Exchange

                    .

                     

                    Thank you.

                     

                    I see there are 23 ACA objectives.

                     

                    Do I understand this correctly that just one or two of those objectives note coding?

                    2.3Demonstrate knowledge of Hypertext Markup Language (HTML) and the behavior of basic HTML tags.
                    2.4Demonstrate knowledge of Cascading Style Sheets (CSS) and the behavior of basic CSS tags.

                     

                    But, does "Demonstrate knowledge of Hypertext Markup Language" mean that your HTML coding is being tested or is it more of a multiple choice question about HTML?

                    • 47. Re: Do You Need to Know EVERYTHING?
                      MACnTUTOR Level 3

                      This will be my 5th year working on both the ACA and ACE exams. But I will be doing Dreamweaver for the first time this year. Earlier this Fall I help set the new objectives for the new DW ACA exam. I am not sure if they have been published yet but, yes, coding is tested. In general, we write both multiple choice questions as well as problems (scenarios) that candidates must solve by demonstrating the proper use of the program.

                       

                      Hope that helps. :-)
                      Thomas

                      • 48. Re: Do You Need to Know EVERYTHING?
                        Ussnorway Adobe Community Professional

                        the link shows a sample exam with multiple (out dated) choice questions

                        • 49. Re: Do You Need to Know EVERYTHING?
                          Brian Stoppee Adobe Community Professional

                          MACnTUTOR  wrote

                           

                          In general, we write both multiple choice questions as well as problems (scenarios) that candidates must solve by demonstrating the proper use of the program.

                           

                          That is extremely helpful, thank you.

                           

                          As will all things Pearson exam oriented, it's multiple choice oriented, but the exam candidate needs to be able to quickly review multiple code scenarios to determine the correct answer?

                           

                          If so, that perfectly fits the "demonstration of knowledge" but of course, no one writes code for the exam, but if someone is in a workplace environment, to be certified in Dreamweaver, there's no way they can slide by with a perfect score without knowing something about code, correct?

                          • 50. Re: Do You Need to Know EVERYTHING?
                            Brian Stoppee Adobe Community Professional

                            Ussnorway  wrote

                             

                            the link shows a sample exam with multiple (out dated) choice questions

                             

                            We got something weird with the link where the objectives appeared but then the page was replaced with study materials but we were able to back into the objectives.


                            We didn't get the sample questions, but we're located them in the past when Janet was beta testing the exams.

                            • 51. Re: Do You Need to Know EVERYTHING?
                              Nancy OShea Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                              Many of those questions and topics are totally irrelevant to modern DW.   I especially like this sample question.

                               

                              5. Edge Web Fonts fail to load and the corresponding

                              script tag appears to be missing in the document.

                              Which action resolves this problem?

                               

                              A. Choose Edit > Web Fonts > Clean Up Web Fonts

                              B. Choose Commands > Clean Up Web Fonts Script Tag (Current

                              Page)

                              C. Choose Modify > Manage Fonts and click the Clean Up Web

                              Fonts button

                              D. Choose Clean Up Web Fonts in the CSS section of the Property

                              Inspector

                               

                              Answer: B

                               

                              That's pretty funny because the Commands menu is gone. Short of being able to add the missing <script> and </script> tags manually in Code View,  the user is toast. 

                              • 52. Re: Do You Need to Know EVERYTHING?
                                Ussnorway Adobe Community Professional

                                https://forums.adobe.com/people/Brian+Stoppee  wrote

                                 

                                Ussnorway   wrote

                                 

                                the link shows a sample exam with multiple (out dated) choice questions

                                 

                                We got something weird with the link where the objectives appeared but then the page was replaced with study materials but we were able to back into the objectives.


                                We didn't get the sample questions, but we're located them in the past when Janet was beta testing the exams.

                                yes Adobe sees that page as out of date and auto-redirrects people to the basic dashboard in order to be helpful... you can override it by going back https://edex.adobe.com/Dashboard/

                                • 53. Re: Do You Need to Know EVERYTHING?
                                  Ussnorway Adobe Community Professional

                                  yes i got a laugh from that one too

                                  • 54. Re: Do You Need to Know EVERYTHING?
                                    Brian Stoppee Adobe Community Professional

                                    https://forums.adobe.com/people/Nancy+OShea  wrote

                                     

                                    Many of those questions and topics are totally irrelevant to modern DW.   I especially like this sample question.

                                     

                                    5. Edge Web Fonts fail to load and the corresponding

                                    script tag appears to be missing in the document.

                                    Which action resolves this problem?

                                     

                                    WOW! That is grim.

                                     

                                    We're thinking the exam is CC 2015 oriented but the whole Edge project went to the Adobe graveyard before then, right?

                                    • 55. Re: Do You Need to Know EVERYTHING?
                                      Brian Stoppee Adobe Community Professional

                                      Ussnorway  wrote

                                      yes Adobe sees that page as out of date and auto-redirrects people to the basic dashboard in order to be helpful... 

                                       

                                      Adobe Education needs some internal redirection which we hope is already in progress and will appear soon in response to the 2018 versions of CC apps.

                                       

                                      Things like the certification should be a powerful toolbox for users.

                                       

                                      That needs some major rethinking.

                                       

                                      But the Getting Started series tells us they are rethinking things.

                                      • 56. Re: Do You Need to Know EVERYTHING?
                                        MACnTUTOR Level 3

                                        Every year we rewrite each of these exams so that the questions reflect the current version of the software. First multiple experts then  beta testers like yourself and Janet verify our questions. Anyway, you know I can not publicly say what specific questions will be on the pool of roughly160 questions (40 of them are chosen at random when a candidate takes the exam). Last time I checked, beta testers got to see all 160 possible questions. These exams are NOT limited to multiple choice... as I mentioned we present scenarios that require candidates to perform the correct steps in what appears to be the actual software. Yes, as exam writers, we are responsible to write out every likely wrong solution as well as all the possible correct solutions (There is usually more than one correct answer). Finally, I gave that link so you could see the exam objectives made public by Adobe (I knew that the sample exam was out of date unless a candidate chose to be tested in an older version of the software.) I have the current objectives from Pearson (who got them from Adobe) but under NDA I can not share them. I am limited to sharing only what Adobe makes public.

                                         

                                        hope any of that makes sense and was helpful,
                                        Thomas

                                         

                                        p.s. Please do not use this forum to ***** about the exams... I am so tired of the griping. Some of us have responded to the problem of the exams by working hard for months each year to make those exams much better, IMHO many of the derogatory comments I read are about exams from long before my time and are no longer pertinent to the current exams. :-)

                                        • 57. Re: Do You Need to Know EVERYTHING?
                                          Ussnorway Adobe Community Professional

                                          the indesign tutorials I tested this year are a joke, they only covered Mac (not Windows) and half the info in them is wrong... after two pages worth of error reports on just the first two videos in the series  I was politely asked to stop pointing out mistakes because it was upsetting people.

                                          • 58. Re: Do You Need to Know EVERYTHING?
                                            Brian Stoppee Adobe Community Professional

                                            MACnTUTOR  wrote

                                            HI Brian. Yes to both the ACA and ACE exams. The objectives of both exams make this clear:

                                             

                                            I think you helped us stay on topic Thomas.

                                             

                                            Though the objectives may be old, Adobe is still telling us that the ACA objective include coding but that's not the overriding purpose of the Dw ACA in the workplace.

                                             

                                            Our experience is that many people are employed around the Baltimore-Washington area to work in Dw but they never code anything. They're employer doesn't want them touch code.

                                             

                                            So, yes, Adobe, please give those kind of people a nice set of Getting Started tours of the many things An, Dw, Mu, Xd are all about.

                                            • 59. Re: Do You Need to Know EVERYTHING?
                                              MACnTUTOR Level 3

                                              That is sad. I do not work on the InDesign exams much less the tutorials. I am not clear what relationship those tutorials hold to the exams. I will let those who work on them (present in these forums) speak up if they wish.

                                              Anyway, your feedback is important. You might consider beta testing the InDesign exams. You will get the certification if you pass the beta exams.

                                              • 60. Re: Do You Need to Know EVERYTHING?
                                                Brian Stoppee Adobe Community Professional

                                                Ussnorway  wrote

                                                 

                                                the indesign tutorials I tested this year are a joke, they only covered Mac (not Windows) and half the info in them is wrong...

                                                 

                                                Maybe I don't want to know the answer to this, but what InDesign tutorials were you testing?

                                                 

                                                (Go ahead. Blame me. I asked. It seems relative to the Getting Started discussion, so I thought we should explore this.)

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                                                • 61. Re: Do You Need to Know EVERYTHING?
                                                  MACnTUTOR Level 3

                                                  FWIW, in my understanding, the ACA exams certify basic level ability to perform certain jobs (rather than being just a test on DreamWeaver). On the other hand, the ACE exams test for thorough knowledge of specific software (such as DreamWeaver). Knowing this distinction has helped me understand why ACA and ACE both exist.

                                                   

                                                  I am trying to walk the NDA tight rope here by answering your questions only with what Adobe had publicly stated. :-)

                                                  • 62. Re: Do You Need to Know EVERYTHING?
                                                    Brian Stoppee Adobe Community Professional

                                                    MACnTUTOR  wrote

                                                    I am trying to walk the NDA tight rope here by answering your questions only with what Adobe had publicly stated. :-)

                                                     

                                                    Yes. We're trying to be cautious while at the same time helping the general readers understand some aspects of things from multiple viewpoints (like good ACPs should)!

                                                    • 63. Re: Do You Need to Know EVERYTHING?
                                                      MACnTUTOR Level 3

                                                      Finally as to the beginning tutorials, I am thrilled that they even exist. After 10 years of teaching Adobe software college classes at the Art Institute and adult vocational training Adobe software classes (by my count I have had the honor to train one-on-one over 1000 users of all levels in 3 month courses), I am happy to see Adobe even make this effort. If there are problems with the tutorials, then they need to be improved. But again, after years of seeing very little from Adobe (that is not meant as a criticism), I am thrilled to see they are a free option for beginners and think this step is long overdue.

                                                      • 64. Re: Do You Need to Know EVERYTHING?
                                                        Ussnorway Adobe Community Professional

                                                        no thanks I don't really use Indesign... the point was people new to the software

                                                        most the mistakes are basic ones... tutorial says click here and this happens [no it didn't] or click this menu to open that panel [windows don't have that menu option]

                                                         

                                                        @Brian I don't know the current nda statis of this so better not to go into it... I did post some of my examples in the ACP forum but they are prob berried by now

                                                        • 65. Re: Do You Need to Know EVERYTHING?
                                                          MACnTUTOR Level 3

                                                          Well that is exactly the sort of feedback we look for from beta testers for the exams. Whatever Adobe software you use, I hope you consider beta testing for the exams as you seem to have good judgment and a forthright manner. As to the tutorials, I would think they would also welcome the feedback if quality control is a priority.

                                                          • 66. Re: Do You Need to Know EVERYTHING?
                                                            MACnTUTOR Level 3

                                                            Brian, I do not know why you say that the Pearson exams are all multiple choice as the current ACA exams have the scenario questions I mentioned. The user sees an interface that looks like the software they are being tested on and is asked how to perform something. The candidates then perform the steps they think are correct. Or else, they have paid me to write questions they are not using. :-)

                                                             

                                                            On the other hand, the ACE exams have been completely multiple choice up until now.

                                                             

                                                            As to whether they can get a perfect score without writing code, I suppose it depends on the exam. The 40 ACE questions are chosen from a pool of 160 questions each time a candidate tests. I suppose it is possible but I do not know the algorithm for choosing the questions. On the other hand, I would have a hard time believing anyone would pass these DW ACA and ACE exams without a sound code foundation. I believe the ACE DW exam description states that it requires a solid knowledge of HTML and CSS in order to pass.  :-)

                                                            • 67. Re: Do You Need to Know EVERYTHING?
                                                              Ussnorway Adobe Community Professional

                                                              testing is only really useful when it happens BEFORE a major policy is changed or lots of $$ spent... after that there is too much push to get it out into the public (no matter what errors are found) and Adobe has made their mind up.

                                                               

                                                              I do want to say a good word about Adobe so I'll give an example of them getting it right... the Max release of Muse was a disaster and people got very upset about it but Adobe did listen to their ACP, staff and testers to provide the option to get back to a stable version of Muse Install Adobe Muse version 2017.0.4 and 2017.0.2

                                                              • 68. Re: Do You Need to Know EVERYTHING?
                                                                pziecina Level 6

                                                                Just thought i would point out that in the example questions shown, question 4 for the html5 'nav' element usage, does not have a correct answer.

                                                                 

                                                                Answer 'D', to correctly mark up the main navigation element for a page comes closest, but is itself wrong, as a page can contain multiple nav elements, (you could even include one in a footer element).

                                                                 

                                                                See example number 9 in the specs for nav at -

                                                                https://www.w3.org/TR/2017/REC-html52-20171214/sections.html#the-nav-element

                                                                 

                                                                Plus the use of Dw behaviours is now obsolete, and in 99% of cases they should be replaced by css.

                                                                • 69. Re: Do You Need to Know EVERYTHING?
                                                                  Brian Stoppee Adobe Community Professional

                                                                  MACnTUTOR  wrote

                                                                   

                                                                  Brian, I do not know why you say that the Pearson exams are all multiple choice as the current ACA exams have the scenario questions I mentioned. The user sees an interface that looks like the software they are being tested on and is asked how to perform something. The candidates then perform the steps they think are correct.

                                                                   

                                                                  That's cool. Our only experience with Adobe testing is "multiple guess". We've reviewed some of the newer available exam creation options Pearson provides. We didn't know why Adobe didn't utilize that kind of think.

                                                                   

                                                                  In the case of the ACA exam, for Dreamweaver, candidates don't have Dw open on their test computer, correct? It's some kind of simulation?

                                                                  • 70. Re: Do You Need to Know EVERYTHING?
                                                                    Brian Stoppee Adobe Community Professional

                                                                    MACnTUTOR  wrote

                                                                    But again, after years of seeing very little from Adobe (that is not meant as a criticism), I am thrilled to see they are a free option for beginners and think this step is long overdue.

                                                                     

                                                                    Janet & I are very pleased with this, as well. It's difficult to provide something that entry level on a commercial basis.

                                                                     

                                                                    That's where the media tech companies need to come to the table with their own entry level solutions. The software publishers need to see this as their version of the "Quick Start" guide which comes with a camera.

                                                                    • 71. Re: Do You Need to Know EVERYTHING?
                                                                      Brian Stoppee Adobe Community Professional

                                                                      TriciaLawrence  wrote

                                                                       

                                                                      This could possibly be a good thread to include the new tutorial videos Adobe has just produced to help beginners get going with our software:

                                                                       

                                                                      Photoshop Get Started

                                                                      Illustrator Get Started

                                                                      InDesign Get Started

                                                                      Premiere Pro Get Started

                                                                      After Effects Get Started

                                                                      Lightroom Classic Get Started

                                                                       

                                                                       

                                                                      Yesterday, we suggested extending this series to the web/mobile apps.

                                                                       

                                                                      Today, we'd like to present a higher priority for the people who opt for the photography plans. Not everyone will edit images in Lightroom. When they enter the CC world with the $9.99/month Photography Plan, chances are, they have camera, right?

                                                                       

                                                                      In addition to a Get Started for

                                                                      • Photoshop and

                                                                      • Lightroom…

                                                                       

                                                                      …don't they need a Get Started for:

                                                                      • Camera Raw and

                                                                      • Bridge?

                                                                       

                                                                      (Subscribers still get ACR and Bridge with the Photography Plan, right?

                                                                      • 72. Re: Do You Need to Know EVERYTHING?
                                                                        MACnTUTOR Level 3

                                                                        Yes, in the past it has been a simulation that looks identical to the actual software.

                                                                        • 73. Re: Do You Need to Know EVERYTHING?
                                                                          Brian Stoppee Adobe Community Professional

                                                                          MACnTUTOR  wrote

                                                                          Yes, in the past it has been a simulation that looks identical to the actual software.

                                                                           

                                                                          Quite a few years ago we were asked to test drive an exam effort which allowed candidates to perform actual work in Adobe apps. Each task was timed and clicking on certain regions of the app's window permitted the candidate to answer questions which popped up.

                                                                           

                                                                          Janet diligently took a few of the exams and was told she was too slow because the ancient Mac they gave her kept crashing (it's tough to be time efficient if your test computer needs to reboot every two minutes).

                                                                           

                                                                          My test Mac was newer. It didn't crash as much but I had to run Disk Utilities and clean it up and somehow tested as an efficient user while running maintenance on the company's system.

                                                                           

                                                                          That company went out of business, a few months later.

                                                                           

                                                                          My point is that Pearson's testing methods have to work all over the planet. We were involved in some of how Pearson evolved a few test sites. Some colleges were not too thrilled with the demands Pearson made on them, but the changes made sense.

                                                                           

                                                                          So, people will say, "The Adobe certification testing is not relative to real world skills." and I get that, but to roll out a testing methodology which has we work in many, many places in fit into how testing works for Apple, Autodesk, Cisco, Microsoft, etc. takes some doing.

                                                                           

                                                                          Pearson has some new tools for exam creators to use and hopefully the Adobe exams will reflect that.

                                                                          • 74. Re: Do You Need to Know EVERYTHING?
                                                                            Janet L Stoppee Level 1

                                                                            https://forums.adobe.com/people/Brian+Stoppee  wrote

                                                                             

                                                                            https://forums.adobe.com/people/Brian+Stoppee   wrote

                                                                             

                                                                            TriciaLawrence    wrote

                                                                             

                                                                            This could possibly be a good thread to include the new tutorial videos Adobe has just produced to help beginners get going with our software:

                                                                            Game on, Tricia.

                                                                             

                                                                            Janet posted the first one, here:

                                                                            Photoshop Starter Tools  

                                                                            But we didn't stop there. Here"s

                                                                            Clueless About Getting Started with Premiere Pro?

                                                                            Was an Adobe CC Subscription Under Your Christmas Tree? Now What? 

                                                                            Need a Whole InDesign Getting Started Series?  

                                                                             

                                                                            And here's one I just did on Lightroom Classic:

                                                                            New to Lightroom Classic? Do This First!

                                                                            • 75. Re: Do You Need to Know EVERYTHING?
                                                                              Brian Stoppee Adobe Community Professional

                                                                              https://forums.adobe.com/people/Janet+L+Stoppee  wrote

                                                                               

                                                                              https://forums.adobe.com/people/Brian+Stoppee   wrote

                                                                               

                                                                              https://forums.adobe.com/people/Brian+Stoppee    wrote

                                                                               

                                                                              TriciaLawrence     wrote

                                                                               

                                                                              This could possibly be a good thread to include the new tutorial videos Adobe has just produced to help beginners get going with our software:

                                                                              Game on, Tricia.

                                                                               

                                                                              Janet posted the first one, here:

                                                                              Photoshop Starter Tools   

                                                                              But we didn't stop there. Here"s

                                                                              Clueless About Getting Started with Premiere Pro? 

                                                                              Was an Adobe CC Subscription Under Your Christmas Tree? Now What?  

                                                                              Need a Whole InDesign Getting Started Series?   

                                                                               

                                                                              And here's one I just did on Lightroom Classic:

                                                                              New to Lightroom Classic? Do This First!

                                                                               

                                                                              And here Janet & I completed the series with this:

                                                                              Just Getting Started with After Effects? Here's Your Main Entry Door.

                                                                              • 76. Re: Do You Need to Know EVERYTHING?
                                                                                Brian Stoppee Adobe Community Professional

                                                                                https://forums.adobe.com/people/Brian+Stoppee  wrote

                                                                                And here Janet & I completed the series with this:

                                                                                Just Getting Started with After Effects? Here's Your Main Entry Door. 

                                                                                 

                                                                                So this series has:

                                                                                • After Effects and

                                                                                • Premiere Pro

                                                                                 

                                                                                How about:

                                                                                • Audition?

                                                                                • 77. Re: Do You Need to Know EVERYTHING?
                                                                                  pziecina Level 6

                                                                                  I think this thread is now going beyond what 'The Lounge' discussions were meant for.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Whilst I don't think you are profiting from your posts directly,  there is now a large questionable amount of self promotion in what is being posted, (a thought also being echoed in a few other sections of the forums).

                                                                                   

                                                                                  If this continues I will consider locking this discussion, and reporting this behavour. If you disagree with what I have written, please contact Tricia, but remember had this been a discussion created by a none ACP, it would have already been locked, and possibly deleted.

                                                                                  • 78. Re: Do You Need to Know EVERYTHING?
                                                                                    Brian Stoppee Adobe Community Professional

                                                                                    pziecina  wrote

                                                                                    Whilst I don't think you are profiting from your posts directly,  there is now a large questionable amount of self promotion in what is being posted,…

                                                                                     

                                                                                    I"m clueless as to what someone is doing which is self promotion oriented. Could you please be more specific about what someone is promoting, please?

                                                                                    • 79. Re: Do You Need to Know EVERYTHING?
                                                                                      pziecina Level 6

                                                                                      In your original post you do state that you instruct on how to use Adobe products. Helping users by posting links to tutorials that would help them in solving questions they start discussions about, is considered acceptable, even offering your paid for services too users in answer to problems they are experiancing in using a product, is acceptable.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      However those self-promotions should be the exception, and only offered once it is clear that such a course would be in the users best interests.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      Your last few posts in this thread, and the associated posts in the individual product forums, do promote your self, and by association the professional services you supply to Adobe product users.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      If those posts had been from a none ACP member of the forums, then only one or two would be acceptable. The number of posts now being created by yourself, (and your partner) cannot be handled any differently than those of none ACP status.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      There was a couple of discussion in the ACP forum to allow ACP's to create tutorials and helpfull links to tutorials in specific sections of each forum, a few months ago. Those proposals were aimed at the Dreamweaver forum, and later incorporated the Muse forum, however you objected to such forum specific features being allowed, so why do you now think that what you are doing is acceptable and any different to what you objected to.