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    New Workstation for blazing fast performance

    manish choudhary

      Which one is best for

       

      4K Music video editing in premiere pro

      rotoscoping and composting in after effects

      motion graphic design in cinema 4d

       

      1. Hp's Z6

      Processor :-

      Intel® Xeon® Gold 6136 Processor (3 GHz, up to 3.7 GHz w/Turbo Boost, 24.75 MB cache, 2666MHz, 12 core)

       

      Or

       

      Intel® Xeon® Gold 6140 Processor (2.3 GHz, up to 3.7 GHz w/Turbo Boost, 24.75 MB cache, 2666 MHz, 18 core)

       

      Operating System :-

      Windows® 10 Pro for Workstation (4 Cores Plus) Multi - English, French, Spanish

       

      Chasis

      Z6 G4 90 1000 W Chassis

       

      Graphics Card :-

      NVIDIA Quadro P5000, 16B (5820T)

       

      Memory :-

      64GB (2x32GB) or (4x16GB) DDR4-2666 ECC Registered Memory (1 Processor)

       

      Internal OS load storage options :-

      Operating System Load to M.2

      512 GB HP Z Turbo Drive Self-Encrypted (SED) M.2 SSD

       

      Hard Drive Controllers :-

      MegaRAID SAS 9460-8i 12Gb/s PCIe SATA/SAS HW RAID controller

       

      Hard Drive :-

      4 TB 7200 RPM SATA Enterprise 3.5" HDD x 4 = 16 TB

       

      RAID Configurations for SATA/SAS Hard Drives/Solid :-

      RAID 5

       

      Additional networking options :-

      Intel® X550-T2 10GbE Dual Port NIC

      Front I/O ports :-

      Premium - 2x USB 3.1 Type-C; 2x USB 3.0 Type-A

       

      Accessories :-

      HP Z6 G4 Memory Cooling Solution

      Z4/Z6 G4 Side Panel Barrel Keylock

      Thunderboalt 3 :-

      Thunderboalt 3 Pcie card

      Cost Arround $8000 USD

       

      2. Dell's 7820 Precision Tower

       

      Processor :-

      Intel Xeon Gold 6140 2.3GHz, 3.7GHz Turbo 18C, 10.4GT/s 3UPI, 25M Cache, HT (140W) DDR4-2666

       

      Or

       

      Intel Xeon Gold 6136 3.0GHz, 3.7GHz Turbo, 12C, 10.4GT/s 3UPI,24.75M Cache, HT (150W) DDR4-2666

       

       

      Operating System :-

      Windows® 10 Pro for Workstation (4 Cores Plus) Multi - English, French, Spanish

       

      Chassis :-

      Precision 7820 Tower 950W Chassis

       

      Graphics Card :-

      NVIDIA Quadro P5000, 16B (5820T)

       

      Memory :-

      64GB (4x16GB) 2666MHz DDR4 RDIMM ECC

       

      Boot Drive Option

      Internal NVMe PCIe SSD (Dell Ultra-Speed Drive)

      Dell Ultra-Speed Drive Quad PCIe SSD x16 card, 1 M.2 512GB PCIe NVMe Class 50 Solid State Drive

       

      Hard Drive Controllers :-

      MegaRAID SAS 9460-8i 12Gb/s PCIe SATA/SAS HW RAID controller (4GB cache)

       

      Hard Drive :-

      3.5" 4TB 7200rpm Nearline SAS Hard Drive x 2 = 8 TB

       

      RAID Configurations for SATA/SAS Hard Drives/Solid :-

      RAID 5

       

      PCIe I/O Cards (ThunderBoalt 3)

      USB 3.1 G2 PCIe Card - 2 Type C Ports. 1DP in

      Network Cards

      Intel® X550-T2 10GbE NIC, Dual Port, Copper

       

      Cost Arround $8500 USD

       

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        • 3. Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
          Bill Gehrke Adobe Community Professional & MVP

          Do not go with off the shelf big name configurations, go to custom video editing builders like Puget. Safe Harbor or ADK they will ask you many questions about your media and workflow and deliver a real optimized video editing system that will do much better than any off the shelf.

           

          1. Xeon's are a architecture of the past.
          2. Unless you have a very expensive 10-bit monitor a Quadro card is overkill.
          3. Do not waste a super speed M.2 PCIe x4 SSD on the boot drive.  Use only for Projects and Media.  Use a standard SATA III SSD for the OS/Applications.
          4. Never use RAID 5 if you are dealing with high sequential rates like video streams
          5. RAID is a thing of the past for performance, it is good for high reliability back up and archiving.
          6. Get professional help
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          • 5. Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
            manish choudhary Level 1

            My preferred work is this.

             

            In Premiere Pro - 4K Music editing with 8-10 4K Layers.

             

            In After Effects - Dynamic link work with premiere pro and do rotoscoping for 4K video and some compositing and lots of custom transitions and 2d Animations

             

            In Cinema 4D - 3d Motion Graphics.

             

             

            and behalf of this work i need workstation.

            • 6. Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
              jasonvp Level 3

              https://forums.adobe.com/people/manish+choudhary  wrote

               

              and behalf of this work i need workstation.

              You do not.  Not even remotely.  Any of today's high performance consumer-level Intel processors will run circles around the Xeons you quote out.  The benefit of a Xeon processor is the ability to put multiples of them on a motherboard (which you're not doing) and running ECC RAM (which you don't need).  This at the cost of overall processing speed, and the cost of emptying your wallet rapidly.

               

              You asked for opinions.  Bill gave you good guidance to start with.  Pay heed to it and call the companies he suggested.  Or over-spend on an HP workstation and waste your money.  Your choice.  :-)

              • 7. Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
                RjL190365 Level 4

                I second the other responses. Xeons have practially no advantage whatsoever in single-CPU configurations over their "consumer" i7 or i9 counterparts. In fact, most single-Xeon configurations actually perform slower than their consumer counterparts in current Adobe CC programs, mainly due to their significantly lower base and all-core Turbo clock speeds. Plus, Xeons' requirement of ECC RAM slows down their performance even more due to ECC's greater latency.

                 

                And did I mention that the Xeon Golds use the exact same CPU architecture and technology as their Skylake-X i7 and i9 counterparts?

                • 8. Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
                  manish choudhary Level 1

                  if i make 1 system with i9 18 core cpu its cost me around something dell and hp cost thats the reason i prefer xeon and xeon is much more reliable then i9 (i think)

                  • 9. Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
                    manish choudhary Level 1

                    so i what i do now should i make a high core count i9 extreme edition either then xeon gold processors ?

                    • 10. Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
                      manish choudhary Level 1

                      one more thing is more l3 memory count do more work then more cores and clock speed..?

                      • 11. Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
                        manish choudhary Level 1

                        What about this...

                         

                         

                        Processor :-

                         

                        Intel Xeon Processor W-2155

                        1. 13.75M Cache, 3.30 GHz

                         

                         

                        Operating System :-

                        Windows® 10 Pro for Workstation (4 Cores Plus) Multi - English, French, Spanish

                         

                        Chassis :-

                         

                        Precision 5820 Tower 950W Chassis

                         

                         

                        Graphics Card :-

                         

                        NVIDIA Quadro P5000, 16B (5820T)

                         

                         

                        Memory :-

                         

                        64GB (4x16GB) 2666MHz DDR4 RDIMM ECC

                         

                         

                        Boot Drive Option

                         

                        Internal NVMe PCIe SSD (Dell Ultra-Speed Drive)

                         

                        Dell Ultra-Speed Drive Quad PCIe SSD x16 card, 1 M.2 512GB PCIe NVMe Class 50 Solid State Drive

                         

                         

                        Hard Drive Controllers :-

                         

                        MegaRAID SAS 9460-16i 12Gb/s PCIe SATA/SAS HW RAID controller (4GB cache)

                         

                        Hard Drive :-

                         

                        1. 3.5" 4TB 7200rpm Nearline SAS Hard Drive x 4 =16 TB

                         

                         

                        RAID Configurations for SATA/SAS Hard Drives/Solid :-

                         

                        RAID 5 or RAID 10

                         

                         

                        PCIe I/O Cards

                         

                        USB 3.1 G2 PCIe Card - 2 Type C Ports. 1DP in

                        • 12. Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
                          Bill Gehrke Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                          I guess you did not read my earlier comments

                           

                          1. Xeon's are a architecture of the past.
                          2. Unless you have a very expensive 10-bit monitor a Quadro card is overkill.
                          3. Do not waste a super speed M.2 PCIe x4 SSD on the boot drive.  Use only for Projects and Media.  Use a standard SATA III SSD for the OS/Applications.
                          4. Never use RAID 5 if you are dealing with high sequential rates like video streams
                          5. RAID is a thing of the past for performance, it is good for high reliability back up and archiving.
                          6. Get professional help

                            If you are not interested in help what are we to do for you?

                           

                          • 13. Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
                            manish choudhary Level 1

                            i want to know one thing that if new xeon W series 2195 and Core series i9 7980xe with same core and L3 cache and same Ghz speed but Core series has intel turbo boost 3.0 Xeon dosen't and and also memory bandwidth in W series Lower then core processors and prices are same both of processors.

                            • 14. Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
                              manish choudhary Level 1

                              and also where from i get professional help if not here in adobe forum ?

                              • 15. Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
                                Ann Bens Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                You need to listen to Bill: he knows what he is talking about.

                                • 16. Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
                                  manish choudhary Level 1

                                  Okay then.

                                   

                                  I Need Professional 4k editing beast Budget is OPEN.

                                   

                                  Please Guide me with which processor and which specs. i have to use i need this workstation for professional work not for gaming and i want this workstation to be alive for next 3-4 years with full speed work.

                                   

                                  Bill Please tell Me which Specs to use make a workstation for me i don't want to listen "ANY CORE PROCESSOR WILL DO DO WORK"

                                  I Need Perfect Specs like HP and DELL Gives.

                                   

                                  Thanx.

                                  • 17. Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
                                    RjL190365 Level 4

                                    Here's the deal:

                                     

                                    If you're intent on paying hundreds of trillions of dollars for a system that's hundreds of trillions of times slower than a snail (figuratively), and you will be flat-out rejecting any alternatives that we suggest, then we cannot make any recommendations at all whatsoever to you. It's your money, after all. Just don't place the blame on us for finding out that the expensive workstation that you just bought completely chokes on even 720p video content.

                                     

                                    By the way, the turnkey vendors that we recommend know far more than either Dell or HP about video editing. In fact, none of the workstations that you're considering are intended for editing video at all - but instead are more for stationary CAD and 3D graphics designers.

                                     

                                    This will be the last post that I will be making in this discussion, barring any change of heart or plans.

                                     

                                    Randall

                                    • 18. Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
                                      Bill Gehrke Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                      In post number 3  I listed three professional video editing custom builders that have good reputations from forum users.  Where are you located?

                                       

                                      I do not like the HP's and Dell's of this world for video editing applications as they come loaded with lots of garbage that has to be cleaned off the computer before it will work at it's best for you.  Also they never seem to have the right options, and very typically have unnecessarily only offer Quadro GPU's which are very expensive versus the GeForce GTX cards.

                                       

                                      I am only a Premiere Pro specialist and so I cannot say one of my configurations would necessarily work well for your other applications.  Some applications or the features in them are well multithreaded so cores are important, while other applications or the specific features you use are not multithreaded so high CPU core speed is necessary.  Other applications/media are aided by lots of RAM

                                       

                                      Thank you Randal I give up also

                                      • 19. Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
                                        Averdahl Level 4

                                        I don´t know why so many in this forum year in and year out so deeply hate workstations from either HP or DELL stating that "Xeon's are a architecture of the past" and "...completely chokes on even 720p video content." when both statements are utterly wrong. And yes, it is possible to buy any of those workstations with no graphics card installed and buy any GTX card and install it to completely avoid Quadro cards. It seems that none of you have actually used them workstations and all opinions seems to be based on a general hate towards workstations just for the sake of it.

                                         

                                        I buy and use HP workstations and do always buy them without graphics card to having the ability to install a top end GTX card. Yes, it can be expensive but what i am buying is reliability of a certified workstation and the 3-year standard or 5-year (optional) on-site-warranty that is great to have if the computer for some reason dies. I prefer the 5-year on-site-warrany. I had a motherboard that died in my old Z800 and they came to me and replaced it the day after and i was up and running again. That´s totally worth it if you have a deadline coming up and that´s what i get for my money and that´s what i am willing to pay.

                                        • 20. Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
                                          RjL190365 Level 4

                                          Well, I changed my mind about this discussion. What I meant there is that I will not be responding directly to the discussion creator about this subject matter, seeing as he's dead set on such an expensive and somewhat underperforming configuration for such an astronomical price tag. The problem is that he simply chose the wrong models from those two companies because they offer only single-Xeon-CPU configurations. And no single Xeon CPU is as powerful as even the least powerful of the HEDT i7 and i9 counterparts with otherwise identical core counts, due to their sometimes substantially slower base and Turbo clock speeds.

                                          • 21. Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
                                            manish choudhary Level 1

                                            Intel's new W series is made to be use only single and powerfully

                                             

                                             

                                            Intel Xeon W-2155

                                            10 Core 20 Thread

                                            3.3Ghz 4.5 Ghz Turbo

                                             

                                            Or

                                            Intel Xeon W-2175

                                            14 Core 28 Thread

                                            2.5 Ghz 4.3 Ghz Turbo

                                             

                                            Or

                                            Intel Xeon W2195

                                            18 Core 36 Thread

                                            2.6 Ghz 4.4 Ghz Turbo

                                             

                                             

                                            And also Core i9

                                             

                                            Intel Core  i9-7900X

                                            10 Core 20 Thread

                                            3.3Ghz 4.5 Ghz Turbo

                                             

                                            Or

                                            Intel Core i9-7940x

                                            14 Core 28 thread

                                            3.1 Ghz 4.3 Ghz Turbo

                                             

                                            Or

                                            Intel Core i9-7980XE

                                            18 Core 36 Thread

                                            2.6Ghz 4.2Ghz Turbo

                                             

                                            Than where is the differ come in point?

                                            Xeon support ECC Memory Core i9 dosenot

                                            Xeon's are bit higher in price but they are more reliable than i9 and i7

                                            and big companies like Dell HP give 3 years on site warranty thats the main point.

                                            • 22. Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
                                              manish choudhary Level 1

                                              @Averhadl one question you using nvidia geforce cards with xeon how it was performing?

                                              • 23. Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
                                                Averdahl Level 4

                                                They are performing great, as expected. When i bought my HP Z440 i installed a GTX 980 and then when the Nvidia Titan Xp came out i bought that card and that´s the card i use today. Now when the GTX 1080 Ti is out i would have bought that card.

                                                 

                                                PassMark Software - Video Card (GPU) Benchmarks - High End Video Cards

                                                • 24. Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
                                                  manish choudhary Level 1

                                                  if i am not wrong you are using Hp's Z840

                                                   

                                                  May i know your system's specs?

                                                  • 25. Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
                                                    Averdahl Level 4

                                                    No, i have not used a Z840 but i have used a Z800 and still own it but my main computer today is a HP Z440:

                                                    OS: Windows 10 Pro 64-bit

                                                    Processor: Intel Xeon E5-1650v3

                                                    RAM: 64 GB

                                                    Graphic card: Nvidia Titan Xp

                                                    Boot disc: HP Z Turbo G2 512 GB

                                                    Media drive: Intel 750 Series PCIe SSD 1.2 TB

                                                    Media drive: Many SSD drives...

                                                    Blu-ray writer: Yes

                                                     

                                                    I use the Z Turbo as a boot disc only beacuse i needed to free up a SATA port. I bought my Z440 june 2015 with 5 years on-site-warranty.

                                                     

                                                    I could not justify the additional cost to buy a dual processor machine, especially since After Effects ditched the multiprocessor feature a couple of versions ago. I don´t know if After Effects have catched up yet, iow i don´t know how well it uses two processors today compared to how it did 2015.

                                                    • 26. Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
                                                      manish choudhary Level 1

                                                      how as the processor and graphic card work and are you using pr pro also?

                                                      • 27. Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
                                                        Bill Gehrke Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                        Averdahl,

                                                        Here is your answer about AE (CC2017) performance, it all depends on what you are doing but overall performance is still limited to the fastest Turbo CPU speed as you can clearly see from this Puget AE benchmarking.  That processor the i7-8700K is only a 6-core unit but with Turbo speeds of 4.7 GHz.  I do not know if Adobe has made any improvements with CC 2018.  I doubt that any Xeon's run that fast.

                                                         

                                                        Bill

                                                        • 28. Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
                                                          Averdahl Level 4

                                                          I am satisfied with the processor though i know that the newer ones in the Z4/Z6/Z8 are faster. I am primarily using Premiere Pro and when i bought the Titan Xp i was happy to see that the export times of 4K material were cut in half compared to the GTX 980 card.

                                                          • 29. Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
                                                            Averdahl Level 4

                                                            I doubt that any Xeon's run that fast.

                                                             

                                                            The closest one is the W-2135, 14nm, 6-core, base clock 3.7Ghz, turbo boost 4.5 Ghz. Close enough compared to the i7-8700K.

                                                            • 30. Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
                                                              manish choudhary Level 1

                                                              Hey Bill you not seen this comparison yet i think..?

                                                               

                                                              Intel Xeon W-2155

                                                              10 Core 20 Thread

                                                              3.3Ghz 4.5 Ghz Turbo

                                                               

                                                              Or

                                                              Intel Xeon W-2175

                                                              14 Core 28 Thread

                                                              2.5 Ghz 4.3 Ghz Turbo

                                                               

                                                              Or

                                                              Intel Xeon W2195

                                                              18 Core 36 Thread

                                                              2.6 Ghz 4.4 Ghz Turbo

                                                               

                                                               

                                                              And also Core i9

                                                               

                                                              Intel Core  i9-7900X

                                                              10 Core 20 Thread

                                                              3.3Ghz 4.5 Ghz Turbo

                                                               

                                                              Or

                                                              Intel Core i9-7940x

                                                              14 Core 28 thread

                                                              3.1 Ghz 4.3 Ghz Turbo

                                                               

                                                              Or

                                                              Intel Core i9-7980XE

                                                              18 Core 36 Thread

                                                              2.6Ghz 4.2Ghz Turbo

                                                              • 31. Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
                                                                manish choudhary Level 1

                                                                if i buy Hp Z4 with

                                                                 

                                                                Intel Xeon W-2195

                                                                18 Core 36 Thread

                                                                2.6 Ghz 4.4 Ghz Turbo

                                                                 

                                                                and Buy Nvidia Quadro P5000

                                                                or with a Nvidia GeForce GTX Titan Xp

                                                                 

                                                                With 64GB DDR4 2666 Mhz Ram

                                                                 

                                                                512Gb M.2 for Os

                                                                1Tb M.2 For projects and media cache files

                                                                 

                                                                and 8Tb raid with Raid 0 with sata III 7200 RPM drive for Raw data

                                                                 

                                                                should it work great?

                                                                • 32. Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
                                                                  h.sevush Level 1

                                                                  Bill -

                                                                   

                                                                  I understand and agree completely with 1-3 but would like some clarification on these 2 statements

                                                                   

                                                                  4. Never use RAID 5 if you are dealing with high sequential rates like video streams

                                                                  5. RAID is a thing of the past for performance, it is good for high reliability back up and archiving.

                                                                   

                                                                  I've been using Raid 5 storage for the past 15 years and while I realize I am giving up some speed it is in exchange for greater reliability. As for Raid being a thing of the past, how else do you achieve the bandwidth to handle 5 camera multicam with mixed HD and 4K while needing to access about 14 TB of storage? is there a different storage medium that I am unaware of?

                                                                  • 33. Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
                                                                    RjL190365 Level 4

                                                                    Here's the deal with RAID 5:

                                                                     

                                                                    1) You do give up the capacity of one entire disk in order to gain reliability.

                                                                    2) All on-motherboard RAID 5 implementations are mostly software-based. This means that the CPU is utilized that could have been better utilized for programs. Plus, software RAID 5 has far greater latency than a dedicated hardware RAID.

                                                                    3) A proper RAID 5 hardware controller is very expensive to purchase. Sure, cheaper hardware RAID controllers exist, but they use old and/or outdated processors.

                                                                     

                                                                    As Bill stated, RAID 5 is effectively obsolesced by m.2 PCIe SSDs, a single one of which can far surpass that of the fastest RAID array in sequential throughput. You see, RAID was designed for the mechanically spinning hard disk drive, and has matured long before SSDs became popular.

                                                                     

                                                                    Unfortunately, 14GiB worth of m.2 PCie SSDs can currently cost significantly more money than even the most expensive hardware RAID controller plus 20TB worth of hard disk drives. That is exactly what holds m.2 PCIe SSDs back from being widely popular with extremely large workflows.

                                                                     

                                                                    Lastly, most professional video editors do not work with anywhere close to 14TB worth of video content all at once. At most, they actually work with only a few GB at a time.

                                                                    • 34. Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
                                                                      h.sevush Level 1

                                                                      Thanks for the reply. However for an editor working in Broadcast, or on any long form doc, 14 TB is not unusual. Especially if your dealing with 4k, Raw and or multicam. Advising people to skip Raids and avoid Raid 5 as a general rule is problematic when the only alternative would cost 5 times as much (just a guess - it might be 10 times as much.) I only use hardware Raid controllers, but even figuring in that extra cost it would be prohibitive to switch over to m2 SSDs. The day will come when Raids of spinning drives will be obsoleted, but for anyone dealing in large volumes of source material that day has still not come.

                                                                      • 35. Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
                                                                        manish choudhary Level 1

                                                                        MegaRAID 9460-8i

                                                                        What about this Raid controller.?

                                                                         

                                                                        so which raid is best for get more speed RAID 5 or RAID 0 ?

                                                                        • 36. Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
                                                                          h.sevush Level 1

                                                                          Raid 0 is best for speed, Raid 5 dedicates a drive to redundancy so that if any one drive in the Raid fails then no data is lost. Almost all Raids can be set to either Raid 0,1,5,6,10 - you can read about the differences here https://10gbps.io/blog/advantages-disadvantages-various-raid-levels/

                                                                           

                                                                          As to your controller - it is best to seek a Raid enclosure with it's own controller card. The card you were looking at is for massive server installations. Raid enclosures with controller card are very common - Promise Pegasus, LaCie, G-Technology, Sonnet Fusion, CalDigit

                                                                          • 37. Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
                                                                            manish choudhary Level 1

                                                                            which card i mentioned its came with dell's precision tower 5820 thats why i asking question is it good to go with this controller ?

                                                                            • 38. Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
                                                                              Bill Gehrke Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                                              This does not answer your question but I will tell you my pride and joy at an earlier time (about 3-years ago).  I bought an Areca ARC-1883ix  RAID controller and with a Supermicro  Mobile Rack M28SACB-OEM and installed 7 each Samsung 840 Pro 256 GB SSD's in a RAID 3 configuration  and got these great results:

                                                                              If you look at my PPBM Storage for this neat device it is the fastest storage system ever tested with my PPBM testingAll you have to do is change out the 256 GB SSD's for 2 TB SSD's and you will have 11+ TB of extremely fast high reliability storage in a very compact, very low power consumption, and low noise package aside of those lousy hard disk drives

                                                                              • 39. Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
                                                                                manish choudhary Level 1

                                                                                so i have to go with SATA SSD III class 20 ?

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