9 Replies Latest reply on Jan 2, 2018 9:05 AM by fuzenco

    Quick Export with color profile

    fuzenco Level 1

      I understand how the Export > Quick Export works in the latest Photoshop. But there should be an option just as there is in the Export > Export As to include the sRGB profile. I can't believe after all this time, that that option is still not available under Export Preferences.

        • 1. Re: Quick Export with color profile
          gener7 Adobe Community Professional & MVP

          Ctrl or Cmd k for Preferences:

           

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          • 2. Re: Quick Export with color profile
            fuzenco Level 1

            But that does not embed the profile. It just converts to sRGB profile.

            • 3. Re: Quick Export with color profile
              gener7 Adobe Community Professional & MVP

              Correct. Windows and Mac are usually sRGB aware. Most monitors are not profiled in the Web, many apps are not color managed, and most users are not educated in color management.

               

              Is there any reason for a sRGB profile tag?

              • 4. Re: Quick Export with color profile
                D Fosse Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                I can't agree with you there, Gene. There is every reason for an sRGB profile tag. I absolutely agree with the OP.

                 

                Case in point: https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2431384

                 

                Here's another common scenario: A raw file comes from Lightroom in ProPhoto, because that's the default and the user doesn't know enough to change that default. Looks fine in Photoshop. Exports without a profile. What happens when you reopen that in Photoshop with sRGB or Adobe RGB as working space? Right, the user is confused no end and has no clue what's happening.

                 

                I'd turn it over. Is there any reason to not embed the sRGB profile? In a non-color managed setup it's just ignored and makes no difference anyway.

                 

                In fact I've had a hard time understanding Adobe's policies here. While the graphic applications have always been the industry standard in color management, anything web-related has been the opposite. It almost looks as if they're actively resisting it. Even a new and modern application like Muse isn't color managed.

                • 5. Re: Quick Export with color profile
                  D Fosse Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                  Actually the Lightroom example was a bad one - that's just an argument against the Lr default, which I've made elsewhere.

                   

                  A much more relevant point is this:

                   

                  Viewing an sRGB file in a fully color managed web browser is not the same thing as viewing an untagged file in a nonmanaged environment - even if you have a standard gamut monitor. sRGB is not the same as monitor RGB.

                   

                  Today, full color management on the web is not only possible, but straightforward. All you need to do is embed the profile and stay away from Edge or IE. All other browsers get it right.

                   

                  Some browsers today do assign sRGB to untagged material. But, notably, Firefox still does not at default settings. You still have to manually enable that setting (mode 1).

                  • 6. Re: Quick Export with color profile
                    gener7 Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                    Quick Export has had a convert to sRGB option since CC 2015.1. That would prevent a user from Exporting a Pro-Photo RGB image unless it got checked off.

                     

                    I do see a point where untagged sRGB would not display properly in a wide-gamut monitor as per your linked thread.

                     

                    I had thought it was a quick image prep for the web.

                     

                    Interesting discussion here: Photoshop: Save For Web, Convert to sRGB should be off by default for PNGs and GIFs | Photoshop Family Customer Communit…

                     

                    And it points to embedded profiles as best practice.

                     

                    Well, I'll rescind that point then.

                     

                    Gene

                    • 7. Re: Quick Export with color profile
                      D Fosse Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                      gener7  wrote

                       

                      I do see a point where untagged sRGB would not display properly in a wide-gamut monitor as per your linked thread.

                       

                      Yes, but there is a noticeable difference on standard gamut monitors too. Not as much, but still enough that some people find it unacceptable - or at least notice it and wonder why.

                       

                      I had hoped that all major browsers would adopt the "assign-sRGB-to-untagged" - policy. That would solve the whole problem, and ensure full color management at all times and in all scenarios. It's a very simple and elegant solution, with no cost and no downside.

                       

                      In fact, even Edge and IE do this. They just botch it by throwing out the monitor profile and replacing it with sRGB - which very effectively ensures total uselessness on wide gamut monitors. Even an Adobe RGB file will display oversaturated with these browsers.

                       

                      But until then, just embed the profile. 3kB added to the file size cannot possibly be a consideration today.

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                      • 8. Re: Quick Export with color profile
                        Stephen_A_Marsh Adobe Community Professional

                        I had thought it was a quick image prep for the web.

                         

                        Agreed, It is – which is why it does not have an option to include the ICC profile. Until recently, conventional wisdom has been to strip profiles and other metadata (for right or wrong).

                         

                        As we all know, the new export options have a long way to go compared to the save for web which they are intended to replace (I personally hope that Adobe does not remove the “legacy” save for web option, or if they do, that they at least have feature parity).

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                        • 9. Re: Quick Export with color profile
                          fuzenco Level 1

                          Thanks to everyone who weighed in. D Fosse is correct that certain browsers do acknowledge color profiles. Even Facebook’s guidelines encourage including the sRGB profile in images.

                           

                          This leads me to believe that not enough people have raised this issue so Adobe has given it no importance? But why include the settings in the one export dialog but not the other. It would seem like a simple thing to address.

                           

                          And don't get me started on why the legacy Save for Web and the new Export As *can* be included in Actions, but the Quick Export function—which this thread is about—is completely ignored by Actions.