16 Replies Latest reply on Jul 10, 2008 5:22 AM by Newsgroup_User

    Can i view code in Fireworks CS3?

    Akermay Level 1
      Hi

      I want to add a custom font to my pop-up menu for my navigation bar so it fits in with my website, and isnt a boring default. How can i do this? Also is it possible to view code and here: http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=tn_16423#menu_item_font

      It says: fnt Menu item font
      (Determines the font group that will be used in the menu being addressed. You can use custom font groups here if you wish. Standard web fonts are recommended.) "Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"

      Is that not a change you make in code? If not where can i change this? Thanks.
        • 1. Re: Can i view code in Fireworks CS3?
          Level 7
          FW is not an HTML authoring application. If you want to view code, you
          should do that work in DW.

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          "Josh.K" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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          > Hi
          >
          > I want to add a custom font to my pop-up menu for my navigation bar so it
          > fits in with my website, and isnt a boring default. How can i do this?
          > Also is
          > it possible to view code and here:
          > http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=tn_16423#menu_item_fon
          > t
          >
          > It says: fnt Menu item font
          > (Determines the font group that will be used in the menu being addressed.
          > You
          > can use custom font groups here if you wish. Standard web fonts are
          > recommended.) "Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"
          >
          > Is that not a change you make in code? If not where can i change this?
          > Thanks.
          >

          • 2. Re: Can i view code in Fireworks CS3?
            Akermay Level 1
            Ok, thanks. But does anyone know what to do about the custom font?
            • 3. Re: Can i view code in Fireworks CS3?
              Level 7
              Which FW are you using?

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              "Josh.K" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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              > Ok, thanks. But does anyone know what to do about the custom font?

              • 5. Re: Can i view code in Fireworks CS3?
                Level 7
                Thank goodness for small favors!

                Are your desired menu fonts installed on your system? Do you see them in
                the font list in FW? If you do not, then you will not be able to use them.

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                "Josh.K" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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                > CS3

                • 6. Re: Can i view code in Fireworks CS3?
                  Akermay Level 1
                  Really? I want to use Apple Chancery as a font in my pop-up menu, it appears in normal things (installed on system) and i can use it in Fireworks, just not for pop-ups. The only fonts it says on the list for pop-ups are like 4 default ones, like Verdana and stuff.
                  • 7. Re: Can i view code in Fireworks CS3?
                    Level 7
                    Sorry - I can't take you any further.

                    I don't regard using FW pop-up menus as a viable tool for websites, so I
                    don't use them at all. Perhaps someone who does use them can help you with
                    this.

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                    "Josh.K" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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                    > Really? I want to use Apple Chancery as a font in my pop-up menu, it
                    > appears
                    > in normal things (installed on system) and i can use it in Fireworks, just
                    > not
                    > for pop-ups. The only fonts it says on the list for pop-ups are like 4
                    > default
                    > ones, like Verdana and stuff.
                    >

                    • 8. Can i view code in Fireworks CS3?
                      Gayle Duncan Level 1
                      I believe Fireworks is trying to "help" you, by only allowing you to choose web-safe fonts, of which Apple Chancery is not. Fireworks would allow you to use that font in an image file, but not in a popup menu.

                      If you were dead-set on using it (despite the fact that some people would not be able to see it, given their browsers,) you could export the menu to an HTML-editing program such as Dreamweaver, then edit the code yourself. It's not recommended...but given the circumstances you could try it. I'd just make sure you had a backup, web-safe font coded in there as well.
                      • 9. Re: Can i view code in Fireworks CS3?
                        Akermay Level 1
                        Ok, thanks. So when i export it and take it into Dreamweaver which ill use to make the site. I just select the tab or whichever bit i need to on the nav bar and it will show me the code?
                        • 10. Re: Can i view code in Fireworks CS3?
                          JoeDaSilva Level 4
                          If you use anything other than a web-safe font (the defaults), people without that font, which would be anyone with a Windows or Linux based machine for example, will get something entirely different and out of your control.

                          This is why every dropdown/fly-out menu on the internet uses the same small pool of fonts. It's not due to a lack of creativity ;-)

                          • 11. Re: Can i view code in Fireworks CS3?
                            Level 7
                            Unless they use images for the menu elements, or some form of image
                            replacement....

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                            "JoeyD1978" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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                            > If you use anything other than a web-safe font (the defaults), people
                            > without
                            > that font, which would be anyone with a Windows or Linux based machine for
                            > example, will get something entirely different and out of your control.
                            >
                            > This is why every dropdown/fly-out menu on the internet uses the same
                            > small
                            > pool of fonts. It's not due to a lack of creativity ;-)
                            >
                            >
                            >

                            • 12. Re: Can i view code in Fireworks CS3?
                              Gayle Duncan Level 1
                              quote:

                              Originally posted by: Josh.K
                              Ok, thanks. So when i export it and take it into Dreamweaver which ill use to make the site. I just select the tab or whichever bit i need to on the nav bar and it will show me the code?


                              In theory, yes. However I'm not sure if it will highlight the exact bit of code you need to change the font. You may have to go to code view and hunt around in the head of the HTML document, where the javascript menu code should be. Or it might be written separately in the MM_MENU.JS file, which will be exported with your HTML. To be honest, I'm not a huge fan of Fireworks' HTML-writing capabilities...so I'm grasping at straws, here. I've never broken apart the code that Fireworks writes for popup menus. It may put the font tags inline, but if I'm reading that tech-note correctly, it's probably writing the font information in the MM_MENU.JS file, which you will have to open and edit separately in Dreamweaver.

                              Additionally, I'd like to stress that although your idea is creative...it might not be the best one, given that a lot of people that view your website won't be able to read Apple Chancery font. In the end, those people's browsers will default to a websafe-font, thus defeating your purpose.
                              • 13. Re: Can i view code in Fireworks CS3?
                                JoeDaSilva Level 4
                                quote:

                                Originally posted by: Gayle Duncan
                                given that a lot of people that view your website won't be able to read Apple Chancery font. In the end, those people's browsers will default to a websafe-font, thus defeating your purpose.


                                Apple's market share is at about 20% right now, so that's about how many people will see your font.
                                • 14. Re: Can i view code in Fireworks CS3?
                                  Level 7
                                  Maybe.

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                                  "JoeyD1978" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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                                  >
                                  quote:

                                  Originally posted by: Gayle Duncan
                                  > given that a lot of people that view your website won't be able to read
                                  > Apple
                                  > Chancery font. In the end, those people's browsers will default to a
                                  > websafe-font, thus defeating your purpose.

                                  >
                                  > Apple's market share is at about 20% right now, so that's about how many
                                  > people will see your font.
                                  >
                                  >

                                  • 15. Re: Can i view code in Fireworks CS3?
                                    pixlor Level 4
                                    quote:

                                    Originally posted by: JoeyD1978
                                    Apple's market share is at about 20% right now, so that's about how many people will see your font.



                                    According to the
                                    Code Style font sampler survey, Apple Chancery is installed on about 90% of all Mac systems surveyed. On Windows, a similar font is Monotype Corsiva.
                                    Apple Chancery graphic
                                    Monotype Corsiva graphic

                                    However, Monotype Corsiva is only installed on about 83% of Windows machines surveyed by that site, so you'd still need to find an alternative to add to the font list, before the final, default "cursive."

                                    There's some more good Web typography info at Web Space Works (six linked pages, including one that gets you the Vista C fonts for free - yes, legally) and ampsoft Web Design Tips & Tricks
                                    • 16. Re: Can i view code in Fireworks CS3?
                                      Level 7
                                      I really like the Vista C fonts....

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                                      "pixlor" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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                                      >
                                      quote:

                                      Originally posted by: JoeyD1978
                                      > Apple's market share is at about 20% right now, so that's about how many
                                      > people will see your font.
                                      >

                                      >
                                      > According to the
                                      > http://www.codestyle.org/css/font-family/, Apple Chancery is installed on
                                      > about 90% of all Mac systems surveyed. On Windows, a similar font is
                                      > Monotype
                                      > Corsiva.
                                      >
                                      > http://www.codestyle.org/servlets/FontSampler?image=mac-AppleChancery&class=Appl
                                      > eChancery&font=Apple%20Chancery
                                      >
                                      > http://www.codestyle.org/servlets/FontSampler?image=win-MonotypeCorsiva&class=Mo
                                      > notypeCorsiva&font=Monotype%20Corsiva
                                      >
                                      > However, Monotype Corsiva is only installed on about 83% of Windows
                                      > machines
                                      > surveyed by that site, so you'd still need to find an alternative to add
                                      > to the
                                      > font list, before the final, default "cursive."
                                      >
                                      > There's some more good Web typography info at
                                      > http://www.webspaceworks.com/resources/fonts-web-typography/74/ (six
                                      > linked
                                      > pages, including one that gets you the Vista C fonts for free - yes,
                                      > legally)
                                      > and http://www.ampsoft.net/webdesign-l/WindowsMacFonts.html
                                      >
                                      >