24 Replies Latest reply on Jan 18, 2018 7:13 AM by myCharlie

    How do I improve LR performance on my current computer?

    2Charlie Level 1

      I've found that my HP Z800 two Zeon processors at 2.4GHz, 24GB of RAM, and a 15,000RPM SAS drive for OS is having issues with LR Classic CC 2018. My thought is that the bottleneck might be the 7200RPM hard drive that I stored all my images. So, I'm thinking of importing all my images into a 1TB SSD drive for editing/touching in LR.

      These are my questions:

      1. Will this improve the performance of LR?
      2. What other upgrade/changes should I adopt to improve the performance?
      3. Once I've done my editing with the SSD, how do I sync back into my external 7200RPM drive for backup?
        • 2. Re: How do I improve LR performance on my current computer?
          2Charlie Level 1

          From the list you've linked, can you tell me what I don't have that could be an performance issue? I'm using Nvidia Quadro FX3800. Again, here's my spec:

           

          HP Z800

          Two Intel Xeon @2.4Ghz processors

          24GB RAM

          500GB 15K RPM SAS drive

          Nvidia Quadro FX3800

          Windows 10 64bit

          • 3. Re: How do I improve LR performance on my current computer?
            Neox99 Level 4

            No, I can't.

            For me to be able to troubleshoot your system I would have to be sitting at it.

            • 4. Re: How do I improve LR performance on my current computer?
              2Charlie Level 1

              Strictly based on the link you posted above, do you see anything that my system spec is under par? I couldn't see it; thus, I'm thinking of purchasing/using SSD for my work and when I'm done sync back to my external/slower drive. But my next question is, how do I sync back all my work to the external drive?

              • 5. Re: How do I improve LR performance on my current computer?
                ManiacJoe Adobe Community Professional

                The real trick is finding out where the bottle neck is for the performance problems.

                Try running the Windows Resource Monitor to see what is up.

                 

                The 24GB of memory should be fine.

                 

                My preference for drives is to NOT have the catalog on the system drive.

                My catalog and its cache are on the internal D: drive (spinning).

                Original image files are on the internal E: drive and external P: drive.

                SSD drives might marginally help you, maybe, but not nearly as much as people tend to think.

                 

                If you are not using one of the uber-high res monitors, see if turning off the GPU usage makes a difference.

                • 6. Re: How do I improve LR performance on my current computer?
                  dj_paige Level 10

                  2Charlie  wrote

                   

                  I've found that my HP Z800 two Zeon processors at 2.4GHz, 24GB of RAM, and a 15,000RPM SAS drive for OS is having issues with LR Classic CC 2018. My thought is that the bottleneck might be the 7200RPM hard drive that I stored all my images. So, I'm thinking of importing all my images into a 1TB SSD drive for editing/touching in LR.

                  These are my questions:

                  1. Will this improve the performance of LR?
                  2. What other upgrade/changes should I adopt to improve the performance?
                  3. Once I've done my editing with the SSD, how do I sync back into my external 7200RPM drive for backup?

                  Disk speed is almost never the bottleneck, and a faster disk will not change Develop Module performance. If that is the problem — you didn't really state exactly what is slow. Please state exactly which actions in Lightroom are slow.

                  • 7. Re: How do I improve LR performance on my current computer?
                    myCharlie Level 1

                    dj_paige  wrote

                     

                     

                    Disk speed is almost never the bottleneck, and a faster disk will not change Develop Module performance. If that is the problem — you didn't really state exactly what is slow. Please state exactly which actions in Lightroom are slow.

                    Yes, the performance problem is the the Develop module. The real issue is when using the brush for masking. I would turn on the overlay and after I paint something on the image, it would renders. It would take at least 30 seconds to a minute to render every single stroke of brushing. Making any basic adjustment would also take 10-30 seconds to show the changes on the monitor. On the the flip side, my 2015 MacBook Pro with 16GB of RAM has no problem and I'm mapping the drive through my WiFi.

                    • 8. Re: How do I improve LR performance on my current computer?
                      myCharlie Level 1

                      ManiacJoe  wrote

                       

                      The real trick is finding out where the bottle neck is for the performance problems.

                      Try running the Windows Resource Monitor to see what is up.

                       

                      The 24GB of memory should be fine.

                       

                      My preference for drives is to NOT have the catalog on the system drive.

                      My catalog and its cache are on the internal D: drive (spinning).

                      Original image files are on the internal E: drive and external P: drive.

                      SSD drives might marginally help you, maybe, but not nearly as much as people tend to think.

                       

                      If you are not using one of the uber-high res monitors, see if turning off the GPU usage makes a difference.

                      Thanks for the suggestion. I'll turn off GPU usage and see if it makes any difference. I have an old Dell HD monitor at 60Hz.

                      • 9. Re: How do I improve LR performance on my current computer?
                        cmgap Adobe Community Professional

                        Do you have antivirus running in the background? Is it scanning files while you are making changes to them?

                        • 10. Re: How do I improve LR performance on my current computer?
                          dj_paige Level 10

                          myCharlie  wrote

                           

                          Yes, the performance problem is the the Develop module. The real issue is when using the brush for masking. I would turn on the overlay and after I paint something on the image, it would renders. It would take at least 30 seconds to a minute to render every single stroke of brushing. Making any basic adjustment would also take 10-30 seconds to show the changes on the monitor. On the the flip side, my 2015 MacBook Pro with 16GB of RAM has no problem and I'm mapping the drive through my WiFi.

                          Disk speed will have no effect on this. Adding more memory will have no effect on this. The speed of brushing depends entirely on the CPU (and GPU if enabled).

                           

                          Doing lots of brushing on a photo is known to cause LR to slow down like this, especially if you have a 4K or larger monitor (which is not mentioned, but do you have such a monitor)? In addition there are known problems with double Xeon processors, the details of which I do not remember, and so your homework assignment is to search this forum for discussion of dual Xeon processors.

                           

                          As stated above, turning off the GPU acceleration should help with brushing problems, but the issue will remain, if you do a lot of brushing on a photo, Lightroom will slow down.

                           

                          Here are some things that might help, in addition to turning off the GPU acceleration.

                          • Do the brushing as the next to last editing step, and as the last editing step turn on any lens corrections and transforms.
                          • Do the brushing in Photoshop or Photoshop Elements, where it will be faster
                          • Get a faster CPU
                          • 11. Re: How do I improve LR performance on my current computer?
                            myCharlie Level 1

                            dj_paige  wrote

                             

                             

                            Disk speed will have no effect on this. Adding more memory will have no effect on this. The speed of brushing depends entirely on the CPU (and GPU if enabled).

                             

                            Doing lots of brushing on a photo is known to cause LR to slow down like this, especially if you have a 4K or larger monitor (which is not mentioned, but do you have such a monitor)? In addition there are known problems with double Xeon processors, the details of which I do not remember, and so your homework assignment is to search this forum for discussion of dual Xeon processors.

                             

                            As stated above, turning off the GPU acceleration should help with brushing problems, but the issue will remain, if you do a lot of brushing on a photo, Lightroom will slow down.

                             

                            Here are some things that might help, in addition to turning off the GPU acceleration.

                            • Do the brushing as the next to last editing step, and as the last editing step turn on any lens corrections and transforms.
                            • Do the brushing in Photoshop or Photoshop Elements, where it will be faster
                            • Get a faster CPU

                            Thanks! I'll search for dual Xeon processors issue and try those suggestions tonight. I have a dual Dell 21" HD monitor.

                             

                            Just curious, why is brushing in Photoshop so much faster than Lightroom? I have no issues with Photoshop with anything.

                            • 12. Re: How do I improve LR performance on my current computer?
                              myCharlie Level 1

                              cmgap  wrote

                               

                              Do you have antivirus running in the background? Is it scanning files while you are making changes to them?

                              No. I just did a fresh install of Windows 10.

                              • 13. Re: How do I improve LR performance on my current computer?
                                dj_paige Level 10
                                I have a dual Dell 21" HD monitor.

                                The inches are not relevant. It is the number of pixels (height and width) that we need to know.

                                 

                                Photoshop is programmed differently than Lightroom. It ought to be faster.

                                • 14. Re: How do I improve LR performance on my current computer?
                                  myCharlie Level 1

                                  dj_paige  wrote

                                   

                                  I have a dual Dell 21" HD monitor.

                                  The inches are not relevant. It is the number of pixels (height and width) that we need to know.

                                   

                                  Photoshop is programmed differently than Lightroom. It ought to be faster.

                                  1920x1200 (native) for the monitor. The CPU utilization is only at most 30% when brushing. I turned off the GPU acceleration and it's much faster. So, when would I need to turn on GPU?

                                  • 15. Re: How do I improve LR performance on my current computer?
                                    dj_paige Level 10

                                    You don't need to turn on the GPU with your monitor.

                                    • 16. Re: How do I improve LR performance on my current computer?
                                      myCharlie Level 1

                                      So here's what I also noticed. I do not see the rendering/loading next to the Done button after I turned off the GPU so I thought it was much faster but it really is not. I just don't see that spinning next to the Done button but it's still slow. If I hold the space bar and move the image, it'll take about 15 seconds or so before there is any changes on the screen. If I brush on the image, it'll take about 3-6 seconds before there is any changes on the monitor.

                                      • 17. Re: How do I improve LR performance on my current computer?
                                        myCharlie Level 1

                                        Here's what the System Info shows:

                                         

                                        Lightroom Classic version: 7.1 [ 1148620 ]

                                        License: Creative Cloud

                                        Language setting: en

                                        Operating system: Windows 10 - Business Edition

                                        Version: 10.0.16299

                                        Application architecture: x64

                                        System architecture: x64

                                        Logical processor count: 16

                                        Processor speed: 2.3 GHz

                                        Built-in memory: 24559.2 MB

                                        Real memory available to Lightroom: 24559.2 MB

                                        Real memory used by Lightroom: 3273.9 MB (13.3%)

                                        Virtual memory used by Lightroom: 6863.3 MB

                                        GDI objects count: 797

                                        USER objects count: 2642

                                        Process handles count: 2225

                                        Memory cache size: 0.0MB

                                        Maximum thread count used by Camera Raw: 5

                                        Camera Raw SIMD optimization: SSE2

                                        Camera Raw virtual memory: 4190MB / 12279MB (34%)

                                        Camera Raw real memory: 5033MB / 24559MB (20%)

                                        System DPI setting: 96 DPI

                                        Desktop composition enabled: Yes

                                        Displays: 1) 1920x1200, 2) 1920x1200

                                        Input types: Multitouch: No, Integrated touch: No, Integrated pen: No, External touch: No, External pen: No, Keyboard: No

                                         

                                        Graphics Processor Info:

                                        OpenGL: Quadro FX 3800/PCIe/SSE2

                                         

                                        Check OpenGL support: Passed

                                        Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation

                                        Version: 3.3.0

                                        Renderer: Quadro FX 3800/PCIe/SSE2

                                        LanguageVersion: 3.30 NVIDIA via Cg compiler

                                        Total Video Memory: 1024 MB

                                        • 18. Re: How do I improve LR performance on my current computer?
                                          WobertC Adobe Community Professional

                                          I have been following this discussion, and saw the question in Post#7

                                          Just curious, why is brushing in Photoshop so much faster than Lightroom?

                                          The best (and simplest) answer to this question I have seen is in the section- "Non Destructive Editing"

                                           

                                          https://www.lightroomqueen.com/lightroom-performance-complete-series-optimizing-lightrooms -speed/

                                          • 19. Re: How do I improve LR performance on my current computer?
                                            dj_paige Level 10

                                            You need a faster CPU.

                                             

                                            I don't know how much brushing you have done on an individual photo. I don't do more than about 3-4 brush operations on my photos and with my i7-4770k CPU and 16 MP images and 1920x1080 monitor, I do not experience this problem.

                                            • 20. Re: How do I improve LR performance on my current computer?
                                              myCharlie Level 1

                                              dj_paige  wrote

                                               

                                              You need a faster CPU.

                                               

                                              I don't know how much brushing you have done on an individual photo. I don't do more than about 3-4 brush operations on my photos and with my i7-4770k CPU and 16 MP images and 1920x1080 monitor, I do not experience this problem.

                                              What are some of the best CPU out there for Lightroom?

                                              • 21. Re: How do I improve LR performance on my current computer?
                                                dj_paige Level 10

                                                "Best" is a relative term, I won't go there. You want to look for the fastest CPU you can afford.

                                                 

                                                This website and others rate the speed of different CPUs. Typically the advice was to get a 4 core CPU, but there aren't a lot of those available any more, six and 8 core CPUs should be fine with Lightroom Classic CC. PassMark Software - CPU Benchmark Charts

                                                • 22. Re: How do I improve LR performance on my current computer?
                                                  myCharlie Level 1

                                                  WobertC  wrote

                                                   

                                                  I have been following this discussion, and saw the question in Post#7

                                                  Just curious, why is brushing in Photoshop so much faster than Lightroom?

                                                  The best (and simplest) answer to this question I have seen is in the section- "Non Destructive Editing"

                                                   

                                                  https://www.lightroomqueen.com/lightroom-performance-complete-series-optimizing-lightrooms -speed/

                                                  Does LR take advantage of Nvidia Quadro K500 GPU? I don't see the link mention quadro cards.

                                                  • 23. Re: How do I improve LR performance on my current computer?
                                                    dj_paige Level 10

                                                    A GPU has no benefit if you are using a monitor 1920x1200.

                                                    • 24. Re: How do I improve LR performance on my current computer?
                                                      myCharlie Level 1

                                                      Okay, I just purchased two CPU. We'll see it performs when I installed them. Thanks for all the help.