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    Is Adobe VoCo dead ? , News? 2018!?

    imadl76280154 Level 1

      Hello ,

       

      Short story : in Adobe max 2016 we all saw Adobe Voco and from 2016 to 2018 we dont see any news about him!!

       

      is Adobe Voco dead or Adobe wont release him?

      No beta , No alpha , nothing about Adobe VoCo!!!

      No problem i still can pay 1000$ for 4h voice recording.

      If you have anyinfo About Adobe VoCo please leave it here so we can know what happen to him and Stop thinking about him.

      GoodByeVOCO

        • 1. Re: Is Adobe VoCo dead ? , News? 2018!?
          SteveG(AudioMasters) Adobe Community Professional

          As a product, VoVo was never 'alive' in the first place. There is a strong suspicion that if it had been, Adobe Legal would have killed it anyway, as it would leave them wide open to consequential damage liability.

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          • 2. Re: Is Adobe VoCo dead ? , News? 2018!?
            imadl76280154 Level 1

            i love VOVO name

            but if VOCO was never alive why Adobe take maybe years or moths working on one software and then delete it.

            and am 100% sure that nothing will happen to Adobe if they giveaway Adobe VoCo because who would use this to do something bad anyway and even if. Adobe Could use some info like passport of the user so if he try to do something not good he will be in big trouble

             

            or the easy way is make adobe VoCo online so Adobe can see everything that users are recording and editing so if someone try something bad he will be in big trouble as well

             

            this is some ideas that i give to Adobe.

             

            But i know that Adobe VoCo will help a lot.

            Adobe want make things easy for artist.

            for me as a CG artist i need adobe VoCo so i dont need to buy 4h record for over 1000$

             

            ADOBE VOCO is Not dead yet .

             

            • 3. Re: Is Adobe VoCo dead ? , News? 2018!?
              SteveG(AudioMasters) Adobe Community Professional

              imadl76280154  wrote

               

              but if VOCO was never alive why Adobe take maybe years or moths working on one software and then delete it.

              and am 100% sure that nothing will happen to Adobe if they giveaway Adobe VoCo because who would use this to do something bad anyway and even if. Adobe Could use some info like passport of the user so if he try to do something not good he will be in big trouble

               

              or the easy way is make adobe VoCo online so Adobe can see everything that users are recording and editing so if someone try something bad he will be in big trouble as well

               

              this is some ideas that i give to Adobe.

              Who said they've been working on it? I see no evidence of that. And apparently there's already something very similar that's available on-line (almost certainly for the reason I've mentioned), and that may also be a significant reason for not developing it. You might want to read the end of this thread: Beta Testing #VoCo

               

              Do you seriously think that none of these 'ideas' have occurred to Adobe? If you do, you are deluding yourself, I'm afraid.

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              • 4. Re: Is Adobe VoCo dead ? , News? 2018!?
                imadl76280154 Level 1

                Ok then Adobe wont help artist like me and i have to buy voice record for over 4h or more with 1000$ only because  i dont have a good voice and no one here to help me out.

                 

                You said that adobe didnt work on Adobe VoCo even if not why the guy who made VoCo wont give it away ? or even selling it...

                And even if Adobe does not have anything to do with VoCo why even showing it in Adobe Max 2016? and he get the number 1 spot all like it.

                its from 2016-2018.

                and i still dont know why Adobe VoCo still not release..

                • 5. Re: Is Adobe VoCo dead ? , News? 2018!?
                  SteveG(AudioMasters) Adobe Community Professional

                  VoCo was presented in an ideas forum - nothing there was guaranteed to be developed or released, neither were any timescales given if they were to be. All sorts of things could get in the way of any of them, and clearly a few have in this case. You may be disappointed, but you're going to have to get over it, I'm afraid.

                   

                  And if you're doing anything commercially viable, then yes, you budget for voices. If you took somebody else's voice and 'repurposed' it for your own ends, you've effectively stolen from them, haven't you? Simply by depriving them of work they might have otherwise got. I think that the other thing that's possibly happened over VoCo is that somebody has realised this, and is somewhat concerned about the possible backlash - and I don't blame them.

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                  • 6. Re: Is Adobe VoCo dead ? , News? 2018!?
                    imadl76280154 Level 1

                    This may be true , if i just come and take your voice and put it on my animation movie and and...

                    and here is why this can not be happen if adobe ....:

                    1-how do i get your voice?.(maybe from a video on youtube or something)

                    2-if Adobe VoCo was online like i said and i buy it so i can use it and i use someone else voice without let him know Adobe just can banned me and banned my passport as well so i cant buy it again so its hard for me to do something like that.

                    3-voices are not payed thing we all got a voice , but if God give you a nice voice and you are selling it for 1000$ :O

                    4-the chance of this happen is less then 20% or even 5%.

                     

                    and i could go to Photoshop and paint Your face and share it of even sell it without let you know then what is the problem of VoCo.

                    i could go to my 3d software and make someone else animation and sell it without let him know and and and ...

                     

                    and for Adobe responsibility they just could say (We dont have anyresponsibility for anything that this software can be done with)

                    this is another idea btw

                    • 7. Re: Is Adobe VoCo dead ? , News? 2018!?
                      SteveG(AudioMasters) Adobe Community Professional

                      imadl76280154  wrote

                       

                      This may be true

                      Let's just assume that it is, shall we?

                       

                      You may not like the idea of Adobe being your 'moral guardian', but they will, given a free choice, take the easiest way to securing any possible situations or scenarios. And in the case of VoCo, that looks like not running into them at all by simply not releasing the software...

                       

                      The other thing I should mention in this context is that if any of this is substantially incorrect, one of the devs would have been along before now to assure you that it was still going to happen. As of yet, none have. The inference is pretty clear, I'd say...

                      • 8. Re: Is Adobe VoCo dead ? , News? 2018!?
                        imadl76280154 Level 1

                        hmmm then VoCo is not going to happen right?

                         

                         

                        now am thinking for a way to make a clean voice for my animation.

                        do you know how?

                        nah nothing like buy a voice with 1000$ just like i said who cars if i use your voice , do you car that match about your voice. even if i use your voice no one will know that this voice is for SteveG.

                         

                        but i know that VoCo is going to happen maybe after years ? because if not something else may come and take the Job of VoCo.

                         

                        if anyone here could just send me the email of take to Adobe team and show them that Adobe VoCo must happen and in 2018 and nothing could happen to adobe or to anyone if they release  VoCo. adobemakevoco

                         

                        for me i work with Adobe Softwares for about 8years and i know that Adobe could not take an idea and keep it for ever.

                        VoCo will happen sooner or later O_O

                        • 9. Re: Is Adobe VoCo dead ? , News? 2018!?
                          SteveG(AudioMasters) Adobe Community Professional

                          imadl76280154  wrote

                           

                          if anyone here could just send me the email of take to Adobe team and show them that Adobe VoCo must happen and in 2018 and nothing could happen to adobe or to anyone if they release  VoCo.

                           

                          I've already told you the answer - I'm afraid you have to accept it. Emailing them about it would take them away from doing rather more important things, and I'm not encouraging that.

                          • 10. Re: Is Adobe VoCo dead ? , News? 2018!?
                            imadl76280154 Level 1

                            sorry for not watching Adobe News but what do you mean by "doing rather more important things"

                            if you tell me what important things that adobe are working on now,

                             

                            i will close this Topic

                            • 11. Re: Is Adobe VoCo dead ? , News? 2018!?
                              ryclark Adobe Community Professional

                              imadl76280154  wrote

                               

                              sorry for not watching Adobe News but what do you mean by "doing rather more important things"

                              if you tell me what important things that adobe are working on now,

                               

                              i will close this Topic

                              Keeping all their two dozen or so software products up to date and bug free as well as developing new features for all of those.

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                              • 12. Re: Is Adobe VoCo dead ? , News? 2018!?
                                SteveG(AudioMasters) Adobe Community Professional

                                Yes, and VoCo doesn't constitute a 'feature' as such. Conceptually, it is a somewhat morally dubious audio origination device. And Audition, which is the developers' primary responsibility, doesn't do that, except in the form of tones and noise.

                                 

                                May I suggest that if you intend to work effectively in the business, you learn a bit about creating a sensible business model, and fund your work appropriately, so that it isn't necessary to steal other peoples' means of earning a living. If you are doing anything at all that's commercially viable then you should be able to do this; it's a basic skill, and without it you will fail.

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                                • 13. Re: Is Adobe VoCo dead ? , News? 2018!?
                                  imadl76280154 Level 1

                                  am not getting any money for doing this job i need VoCo to make a voice that is not a RoBoT like my voice.

                                   

                                  and Adobe is getting pay for fixing bugs and adding new things to it, because we pay for that.

                                   

                                  but i will pay for VoCo just like i pay for Photoshop and and .. but is what you mean by saying all of this ,is VoCo wont do anything to Adobe?

                                   

                                  Just make your self on my spot i work harder on animation from making 3d models and textures and animations and render and sound Fx and all this and am working alone the only thing still is voice i could not record my voice for 20 character and even if i do that my voice looks like a robot ,

                                   

                                  what should i do now delete everything after year of working and learning?

                                  pay more then 2000$ for voice record to 20 character ?

                                  find a people to record they voice? (i cant because no one speak english over here )

                                   

                                  please help me

                                  • 14. Re: Is Adobe VoCo dead ? , News? 2018!?
                                    SteveG(AudioMasters) Adobe Community Professional

                                    imadl76280154  wrote

                                     

                                    am not getting any money for doing this job...

                                     

                                    Yeah, but the people you would be depriving an income to have to eat. If you can afford to work for nothing, then that's fine - but you shouldn't expect anybody in the voice-over business to be particularly happy about even the idea of VoCo, never mind the reality of it. All other arguments are moot.

                                     

                                    If you want people to record their voices to help you, then you have to persuade them to do it for nothing, in the same way that you are doing yourself. There must be some self-supporting people around who can help you - you just need to ask persuasively in the right place, and really, this forum isn't it. Most of the users here are editors - plus the occasional voice artiste, and those are the people you'd be depriving of an income.

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                                      imadl76280154 Level 1

                                      Ok this Topic has been close.

                                       

                                      btw i had another job that am getting pay. and when i say that am not getting any money for doing this job because its my project that i will sell it maybe you dont understand or my English is bad , then they are no way .

                                       

                                      you make me change my mind i dont want VoCo anymore i have been waiting for this from 2016 to now and nothing just happen , my dream project get stack at this point , and if i want keep moving i must pay 2000$ or more to record a good voice for my project.

                                       

                                      Thanks a lot SteveG for helping me

                                      and Thanks a lot for Adobe for helping me make half of my project.

                                      maybe they will come the day that i will finish it and .....

                                       

                                      forget_adobevoco

                                      adobe voco

                                      rip_adobevoco

                                       

                                      Note : am the only one here who talk about VoCo from 2017 to now haha that mean they all forget it and they all afraid from nothing)

                                      • 17. Re: Is Adobe VoCo dead ? , News? 2018!?
                                        imadl76280154 Level 1

                                        I try this before and i can tell you that is so good but the problem is just the quality

                                        but this give you an idea ,

                                        why why Adobe don't release VoCo, it will just help improve everything out.

                                         

                                        IS Adobe Wont Improve everything so no one have to think about finding people and pay them to record there voice??

                                         

                                        -------------------------------------

                                        forget_adobevoco

                                        adobe voco

                                        rip_adobevoco

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                                        • 18. Re: Is Adobe VoCo dead ? , News? 2018!?
                                          Tomy-rex Level 2

                                          Whoa nothing like being pushy is there!!  this post might help out -  Beta Testing #VoCo  - Product manager for Audition confirms that it's only research and hasn't been planned for release.

                                           

                                          imadl76280154 - Remember Adobe don't have to do what you tell them They are a massive global company that make decisions based on what's best for the company.  They probably just showed VoCo at Adobe Max to see what response there was.  If you have $1000 spare to hire people to do voiceovers for you, you could probably spend a little more, and get some software developers and create your own software - I know companies that have the skills to do this.

                                          • 19. Re: Is Adobe VoCo dead ? , News? 2018!?
                                            imadl76280154 Level 1

                                            when i see your name Tomy-rex i was like VOCO is HEREEEEEEEEEEE

                                            and then after reading what you just said i start crying but all you just said is JUST A JOKE

                                             

                                            what do you mean by spend money and making my own software

                                            if it was that easy everyone will start create there own software -_-

                                            and that true adobe wont do what i want or what i just say

                                            BUT

                                            i find a way if we say adobe MAKE VOCO!! adobe will not make it

                                            but if we say Adobe Dont make voco Adobe will make it

                                            hhhhhhhhhhhhhhh dead joke

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                                              alank99101739 Level 5

                                              Personally I would love something like Voco if it DID NOT sound like existing famous people. As a hobbiest, it would be great if I could do all the voices of a Character Animator animation. I use Audtion to do some pitch bending, but making my male voice female sounded... strange. (I tried to talk like a girl then pitch blended it up 6 semitones.)

                                               

                                              I tried MorphVOX (Voice Changer - Download - Voice Changing Software) which was sort of okay, but did not end up with a result that I was happy to use.

                                               

                                              Not sure if you can use Audition effects to do better gender swapping voice morphing. It seemed like there were some special tricks needed to change the timbre of the voice.

                                               

                                              I personally do not want text to speech generation - no expresivity in the voice at all! I want to talk with deep expression, do some magic Fourier transforms or something, and come out with the same expression but different tone to the voice. I don’t need it real time - applying a “process” in Audition is fine.

                                               

                                              Is this possible today?

                                              • 21. Re: Is Adobe VoCo dead ? , News? 2018!?
                                                imadl76280154 Level 1

                                                all what you just said is what i want but this is impossible at all

                                                 

                                                because if Adobe cant make this dream come true who can make it?

                                                as well as i will use this tool for my project so why Adobe who just said :"We want help you " i think they are laying at this :X

                                                 

                                                anyway i just forget about voco when i see that no one care about it , because they are not CGI

                                                 

                                                forget_adobevoco

                                                adobe voco

                                                rip_adobevoco

                                                • 22. Re: Is Adobe VoCo dead ? , News? 2018!?
                                                  Tomy-rex Level 2

                                                  imadl76280154 worse things happen at sea...   I'm sure you'll live.

                                                  • 23. Re: Is Adobe VoCo dead ? , News? 2018!?
                                                    luizl52814691 Level 1

                                                    Adobe VOCO is a fake software if you don't know.  this is a show biz only!

                                                    Adobe want promote your products, that used this fake software for fake marketing, paying billions to a supposed TV channel and owner.

                                                    Don't worry, because this software never existed.

                                                     

                                                    Luiz

                                                    • 24. Re: Is Adobe VoCo dead ? , News? 2018!?
                                                      jesúsa76679495 Level 1

                                                      Help meeee please I am a film producer and I really need adobe voco

                                                      • 25. Re: Is Adobe VoCo dead ? , News? 2018!?
                                                        Tomy-rex Level 2

                                                        Voco is NOT happening, and it is NOT available.  No one can help you with something that doesn't exist.  If you read the previous posts you would have realised this!

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                                                          levonarakelyan Level 1

                                                          IMO it is only a matter of time before anyone can do this just by using deep learning models (in a year or two), very similar to what's happening for videos with the FakeApp where you can easily swap faces in videos not even having to have scientific background. So, i don't see that as a reason for Adobe to kill this kind of technology, especially if they would be the first to have it.

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                                                            Tomy-rex Level 2

                                                            True enough O Levonarakelyan....  but this is only good until it starts infringing on ethical issues and human rights...  the problem is, the software WILL get abused....  it's human nature...  so IMO it's also only a matter of time until the government start clamping down on software use - putting legislation in place around it's creation, use and distribution.  Surprised they haven't already TBH.  It's going to happen one day though - something bad will happen, and politicians will suddenly wake up to realise that software is a massive infrastructure that has no governmental controls in place for it.  For goodness sake, over 95% of software developers in the world don't even get ethical training!  Let's see ay?

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                                                              Tomy-rex Level 2

                                                              Memes That Kill: The Future Of Information Warfare

                                                               

                                                              Read the above...  it's not short but it's well written and points up what I was saying.

                                                               

                                                              I rest my case.

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                                                                salemkorayem Level 1

                                                                It's not 100% owned by Adobe, according to this video VoCo: Text-based Insertion and Replacement in Audio Narration - YouTube

                                                                 

                                                                This video presents a research project called VoCo -- a collaboration between Princeton University and Adobe Research. Our goal is to make it easy to edit audio narrations by typing. Visit our project page: VoCo: Text-based Insertion and Replacement in Audio Narration

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                                                                • 30. Re: Is Adobe VoCo dead ? , News? 2018!?
                                                                  Tobias Claren Level 1

                                                                  You say it's bad because it requires less paid work?

                                                                  That is morally reprehensible reasoning.

                                                                   

                                                                   

                                                                  Are self-driving cars bad because they destroy many jobs?

                                                                  NO!

                                                                  Are harvest robots for strawberries and asparagus and in the future orange / apple harvesters etc. bad because they make human harvesters superfluous?

                                                                  No!

                                                                   

                                                                  I think Adobe is just scared.

                                                                  Google could immediately offer facial recognition to anyone online.

                                                                  I'm looking for a specific face, and find all the photos on the Internet where it can be found.

                                                                  Google has locked it in the "poison cabinet".

                                                                   

                                                                   

                                                                  It takes another small start-up company, which offers a very good online face recognition for everyone.

                                                                  Sometime later, if that's normal, then Google could put its own detection online.

                                                                   

                                                                   

                                                                  Same problem with Adobe.

                                                                  Adobe is afraid for its reputation. A small start-up, just for the purpose of selling such software, the reputation can be no matter.

                                                                   

                                                                   

                                                                  Adobe needs a predecessor to introduce such software.

                                                                  The normalized the mood that gets the lazy Tomten.

                                                                  Then Adobe VoCo can offer.

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                                                                    briant31659837 Level 1

                                                                    The notion that "reproducing someones voice is stealing" is a reason not to release or use software is nonsense. Photoshop reproduces photos, am I stealing from the photographer, or should I have him re-shoot because the model's hair wasn't quite right? The same can be said of any creative software.  

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                                                                      alank99101739 Level 5

                                                                      Agreed. Its much more likely to be “market surveys indicate we would make a loss on such a product - there is not sufficient demand to make the investment worthwhile”.

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                                                                        mrastengo Level 1

                                                                        VoCo isn't dead but was most likely sold to a US government entity. I'm guessing CIA but maybe DARPA or even FBI. either way we should be more fearful of them having this software than the general public. At least if the general public was misusing VoCo we can trust that they will be held accountable for any crimes they commit with the software but we know for a fact that when the government uses technology to siege on innocent people they are never held accountable.

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                                                                          jaymerjaymer Level 1

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                                                                            Tomy-rex Level 2

                                                                             

                                                                             

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                                                                              dmitriyt67949238 Level 1

                                                                              So it was just fake video as we can see like in no man sky game for example or star citizen, do you remember Peter Molyneux? Nice joke adobe )

                                                                              • 37. Re: Is Adobe VoCo dead ? , News? 2018!?
                                                                                saram85197801 Level 1

                                                                                voco is buy for the cia and interpool sorry i thinks this software is public anymore xd maybe some time

                                                                                • 38. Re: Is Adobe VoCo dead ? , News? 2018!?
                                                                                  alank99101739 Level 5

                                                                                  I assume people saw Google Assistant at Google I/O... Google I/O 2018: Google Assistant can soon make complex calls, book appointments - YouTube

                                                                                   

                                                                                  It raises lots of interesting challenges for sure. E.g. Should the assistant identify itself as a computer if it makes such a call? But one difference is whether you trying to create an easy to understand voice (and a range of them so different companies can have unique voices), vs are you trying to mimic an existing person. People mimic people's voices all the time (but not always well!!!). But a computer doing it.... it just feels more creepy somehow.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  The real challenge for voice acting I think is getting expression into the voice. Computer generated voices are still too bland. (I tried a range of speech synthesizer demos - Google and Amazon both have them online, and there are others around as well.) They are designed to be easy to understand, not expressive. I don't think human voice acting is going anywhere any time soon. The effort to tweak the computer voice still costs way more than paying a voice actor.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Lots of interesting working going on in Japan as well, but it does not work as well for English yet. Vocaloid for singing, voice tweaking for speech (e.g. Love Voice). There is a growing trend of Virtual YouTubers in Japan, using avatars with voice bending to make the character sound more cute, more like an animated character normally does. 3D anime characters are progressing pretty rapidly.

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