11 Replies Latest reply on Mar 8, 2018 12:38 PM by saraha71454780

    Clipping mask MAJOR color Problem

    saraha71454780

      Hello, and thank you in advance for your reply... My native language is French so I apologize for the poor explanation.

       

      I've started to learn to use photoshop a couple of months ago and one of the feature that I use the most are the clipping masks. However I've been encountering a recurring problem that is slowly driving me crazy.

       

      When I use a clipping mask, the colors that I use appear differently than the colors I selected. This problem doesn't always happen... In fact, it comes and goes and I really don't know from where it's coming.

       

      Here's two pictures to show you what I mean:

       

      In this first capture, you can see the mask to do the shadows on the leaves is not clipped... Leaves, branch and birds are in separate groups. The colors of the branch and the birds  were done using clipping mask:. One for the flat colors, and others clipped on the basic one for the effects. in the case of the bird and the branch, the clipping masks worked properly. However... the color problem restarted with the leaves...

       

      18.0308 - Sans Ecrêtage.JPG

       

      Below, you can see a capture of the same leaves. Now, in this one the shadow mask is clipped. That is the ONLY DIFFERENCE with the first image I posted but here's what I get in terms of colors:

       

      18.0308 - Avec Ecrêtage.JPG

       

      I've encountered this problem on several occasions. I installed and uninstalled photoshop several times, changed versions, checked and rechecked if there was a special filter I had applied or maybe a button I had pushed without knowing, I've also checked the layers and channels/overlays ( it's calque and couches in french so I'm not about the translation sorry) but I'm really at a loss here.

       

      Here's another example:

       

      Without clipping mask:

       

      0002-1.jpg

       

      With clipping mask:

       

      0001.jpg

       

      Depending on the color, the difference is striking. Even worse, if it's not clipped, I'll get a darker color while passing several times on the same spot... but once clipped, it doesn't change at all, it's like it's set on one color no matter the opacity of the brush chosen.

       

      I've posted on the technical forum of the website I'm learning from, but nobody knew what to make of this. I insist, I've checked and rechecked, the only difference between both pictures as far as I know is this: the clipping.

       

      You're my last hope guys, so I really hope somebody will know from where it's coming. It's already difficult to learn so when you add problems like these, honestly it's discouraging.

       

      Again, Thank you very much in advance for the kind reply.

       

      Hoping you give me back some hope.

       

      Artistically.

        • 1. Re: Clipping mask MAJOR color Problem
          rayek.elfin Level 4

          That's interesting. I tried to reproduce the problem. but no luck so far. Clipping masks have some buggy behaviour as far as I am aware (for example, color overlay layer effects don't work as they should), and perhaps you encountered another one.

           

          Could you share a file with us which demonstrates this issue?

          • 2. Re: Clipping mask MAJOR color Problem
            Omar.Fathy Adobe Community Professional

            Can you give a screenshot but select the base layer (the layer that used to be a clipping mask) in the layer panel to see what is the problem?!

            • 3. Re: Clipping mask MAJOR color Problem
              saraha71454780 Level 1

              First, thank you for your quick replies....

               

              In both screenshots, the clipping masks are already selected although in the picture of the satellite, you can see two  clipping masks and both actually have the same problem.

               

              I wish I still had the file with the satellite ( these were screenshots I originally posted on another forum but I got so frustrated I ended up doing something in flat colors and erasing the problematic file) because the problem happened on every clipped masks... unlike the bird layer in which as I said above, the problem occurred for the leaves but not for the branch nor the birds.

               

              So here's the file of the bird. Note that I'm still working on it and I'm currently trying to do the work with a layer mask... That's not the most effective.

               

              For the purpose of this demonstration, I clipped the layer in question (the result is awful as you'll see).

               

              The clipping mask is named "Calque 6" and is in the "Feuille" folder:

               

              https://ufile.io/4lw32

               

              Note: It seems I can't upload directly a file on the forum so I uploaded it on another website, but the link here is psd so rest assured.

               

              Hope it helps you find some clue....

              • 4. Re: Clipping mask MAJOR color Problem
                rayek.elfin Level 4

                I looked at the file (thank you for sharing it with us!) - the reason for the colour change is simple: your base layer (Couleurs Base Feuille) has an opacity set to 70%. When you use a clipping mask the "child" layers become part of it, and the entire clipping group becomes transparent.

                 

                To prevent this, double-click on the Couleurs Base Feuille layer, and turn OFF the "Blend Clipped Layers as Group. It will work as you want then.

                • 5. Re: Clipping mask MAJOR color Problem
                  saraha71454780 Level 1

                  Thanks again for your quick reply...

                   

                  Unfortunatly, that is true... But still the problem occurred on other files where the opacity of the base layers was 100%...

                   

                  Did you do the test? I just did and it didn't work for me. I turned it off on both layers but the colors are still different when the layer is clipped and unclipped.

                  • 6. Re: Clipping mask MAJOR color Problem
                    rayek.elfin Level 4

                    Ah sorry, I forgot to mention: to make this work you should use a Fill of 70% instead of an Opacity setting of 70%.

                     

                    Set the base layer to a Fill of 70% and the Opacity to 100%. Then turn off that "Blend Clipped Layers as Group".

                     

                    Is that what you want?

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                    • 7. Re: Clipping mask MAJOR color Problem
                      saraha71454780 Level 1

                      Yes It's exactly what I wanted THANK YOU!!!!

                       

                      Sorry again but okay... So... Does it mean everytime I want to change the opacity of my base layer , I must change the opacity of the "Fill" instead of the opacity of the layer and desactivate the option "Blend Clipped Layers as Group"?

                       

                      Could you explain to me the difference between both please?... I'm marking this page just in case but it would be great if you could explain to me the reason behind this.

                       

                      I never touched the "Fill" option before...

                       

                      THANK YOU AGAIN btw

                      • 8. Re: Clipping mask MAJOR color Problem
                        davescm Adobe Community Professional

                        saraha71454780  wrote

                         

                        Thanks again for your quick reply...

                         

                        Unfortunatly, that is true... But still the problem occurred on other files where the opacity of the base layers was 100%...

                         

                         

                         

                         

                         

                        Sarah

                        When you clip to the layer below - the result is dependant on the base lower opacity and of the opacity of individual pixels in the base layer. So although the layer may be 100% opacity if you have and semi transparent pixels (e.g from a soft brush or gradient then that will effect the upper layer.

                         

                        So below is not clipped

                         

                         

                         

                        and then clipped

                         

                         

                        Layer opacity on all three layers was 100% (and blending mode normal)  but the middle layer contained some semi transparent pixels due to the gradient

                         

                        Dave

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                        • 9. Re: Clipping mask MAJOR color Problem
                          saraha71454780 Level 1

                          Thank you very much Dave for your explanation... This being said, it doesn't explain why rayek.elfin roundabout way worked for me...The base layer was also made of flat colors so there was no transparancy issue to begin with. I used a layer mask to erase the part with the droplets but that was only because the clipping masks didn't work.

                          • 10. Re: Clipping mask MAJOR color Problem
                            davescm Adobe Community Professional

                            Rayek gave you the explanation and the workaround for that file. I was just trying to show why you may have seen similar effects on other files where the base layer opacity was 100%

                             

                            Dave

                            • 11. Re: Clipping mask MAJOR color Problem
                              saraha71454780 Level 1

                              Ah okay. As you've said, that might explain it... I may have painted with a lower opacity on some brushes... So I guess, the only solution would be to select the desired color at a lower opacity with an eyedropper and then use this new color at 100% to avoid such problems in the future.


                              Anyway THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!!