17 Replies Latest reply on Mar 15, 2018 6:21 PM by Just Shoot Me

    Can I use the camera created JPEG from RAW+JPEG as the Lightroom preview

    jbinco Level 1

      Is there a way to utilize the JPEG created in-camera when capturing RAW+JPEG as the Lightroom preview?  It seems like this would be faster and more accurate than Lightroom creating a new JPEG preview during import.  I have researched this question and found no answer so I assume the answer is "no".  But I'd like to know why not.  Could this be a new feature?

       

      Please don't reply with "Why are you using RAW+JPEG?"  I have specific reasons for that workflow.

        • 1. Re: Can I use the camera created JPEG from RAW+JPEG as the Lightroom preview
          JimHess Adobe Community Professional & MVP

          In the Lightroom preferences, there is an option to treat JPEG images next to raw images as separate images. If that option is checked then Lightroom will import both the JPEG and the raw image. However, the JPEG will not be used as the preview for the raw image. There is no way to provide that functionality.

          • 2. Re: Can I use the camera created JPEG from RAW+JPEG as the Lightroom preview
            Todd Shaner Adobe Community Professional & MVP

            jbinco  wrote

             

            Is there a way to utilize the JPEG created in-camera when capturing RAW+JPEG as the Lightroom preview?

            This feature was added in LR 7. In the Import module select 'Embedded & Sidecar' under 'File Handling. You'll see a double-arrow icon in the filmstrip indicating it is using the embedded preview. The first time you edit the file in the Develop module a new preview will be created.

             

            • 3. Re: Can I use the camera created JPEG from RAW+JPEG as the Lightroom preview
              JimHess Adobe Community Professional & MVP

              Keep forgetting about that one. Do you still have to have that option checked in the preferences?

              • 4. Re: Can I use the camera created JPEG from RAW+JPEG as the Lightroom preview
                Todd Shaner Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                It's a relatively new "feature" that more people should probably start using. You only need to check the option in Preferences to "Treat JPEG images next to raw images as separate images" if you want to import both the raw & camera JPEG files. Fuji, Sony, Olympus, or any other camera don't embed a full-size preview. For those cameras you'll need to select  'raw + JPEG' mode in the camera's settings. LR will then use the imported camera JPEG file as the preview for the raw image file. Once the Import 'Preview Fetching' task has completed you can delete the camera JPEG files.

                 

                Embedded Preview workflow in Lightroom Classic CC

                • 5. Re: Can I use the camera created JPEG from RAW+JPEG as the Lightroom preview
                  JimHess Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                  I guess I'm a slow user or something. I really haven't noticed any kind of lag or delay. I use a Nikon D7100 that takes 24 megapixel raw files. But apparently I'm slow enough at working through them that I haven't seen the need for this feature. I'll have to try it the next time I import some new images.

                  • 6. Re: Can I use the camera created JPEG from RAW+JPEG as the Lightroom preview
                    jbinco Level 1

                    I was aware of that "Embedded & Sidecar" import option.  What I am still not sure of is if the full resolution JPG recorded by the camera alongside a RAW is being used as the Lightroom preview when that option is selected.  Or is it using the embedded?  Or is it using the embedded if a neighboring "sidecar" JPG is not found?

                     

                    The JPG embedded inside a RAW file is (in the case of Fuji cameras) not full size.  So is Lightroom now considering a JPG with the same filename as a neighboring RAW image to be a sidecar?  I understood "sidecar" to refer to the externally stored XMP metadata file that may be optionally created by some RAW workflows.  Those XMP sidecars have the same low resolution embedded JPG otherwise found in the RAW.

                     

                    Everyone's help is very much appreciated.

                    • 7. Re: Can I use the camera created JPEG from RAW+JPEG as the Lightroom preview
                      Todd Shaner Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                      It's primarily helpful if you need the ability to "quickly" review images at 1:1 View as part of the initial culling process. The "fetching initial previews" process completes very quickly. This means your system resources are 100% free for image review, tagging, and applying Develop edits. It should make a difference in performance compared to working while "preview building" is running.

                       

                      If the camera embedded preview looks different than your LR default settings you can change the in-camera picture style and its specific settings to obtain a better match (if that bothers you). This is just the opposite of what most users complain about!

                      • 8. Re: Can I use the camera created JPEG from RAW+JPEG as the Lightroom preview
                        JimHess Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                        The XMP sidecar is not a JPEG and is not related to the JPEG. It is the raw metadata that is related to the raw file. It is created when you press Ctrl+S or have Lightroom configured to automatically write changes to XMP files.

                        • 9. Re: Can I use the camera created JPEG from RAW+JPEG as the Lightroom preview
                          Todd Shaner Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                          jbinco  wrote

                           

                          I was aware of that "Embedded & Sidecar" import option.  What I am still not sure of is if the full resolution JPG recorded by the camera alongside a RAW is being used as the Lightroom preview when that option is selected.  Or is it using the embedded?  Or is it using the embedded if a neighboring "sidecar" JPG is not found?

                          Canon, Nikon or other cameras with a full-size preview in the raw file LR uses the embedded preview. For cameras with an embedded preview that is less than 50% of the raw image file's pixel dimensions here's what Adobe says:

                           

                          Sony, Olympus, and Fuji cameras don’t have full sized embedded previews. In this case, Lightroom checks if the embedded preview size is 50% of that of the raw image. If not, the standard preview is created instead of reading the embedded preview. Create a jpg sidecar image along with the raw. If the image has the sidecar file, it’s being read for creating the preview in the Library module.

                          • 11. Re: Can I use the camera created JPEG from RAW+JPEG as the Lightroom preview
                            Todd Shaner Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                            I Just had a chance to test this with some Sony A7R ARW and JPEG files. You only need to check the option in Preferences to "Treat JPEG images next to raw images as separate images" if you want to import both the raw & camera JPEG files into LR. With it unchecked LR will still see the JPEG file and use it to create the raw file's Library preview. Once the Import 'Preview Fetching' task has completed you can delete the camera JPEG files. I've corrected my reply #4.

                            • 12. Re: Can I use the camera created JPEG from RAW+JPEG as the Lightroom preview
                              Just Shoot Me Adobe Community Professional

                              Todd Shaner  wrote

                               

                              It's a relatively new "feature" that more people should probably start using. You only need to check the option in Preferences to "Treat JPEG images next to raw images as separate images" if you want to import both the raw & camera JPEG files. Fuji, Sony, Olympus, or any other camera don't embed a full-size preview. For those cameras you'll need to select  'raw + JPEG' mode in the camera's settings. LR will then use the imported camera JPEG file as the preview for the raw image file. Once the Import 'Preview Fetching' task has completed you can delete the camera JPEG files.

                               

                              Embedded Preview workflow in Lightroom Classic CC

                              Actually I think you have that a little backwards.

                              If the option is checked to treat JPGs as separate files then they are treated as completely separate files and not associated with a RAW file of the same name.

                              If that option is Unchecked LR still import, copy, both files to the selected destination but hides the JPG and uses it as a Sidecar files.

                              It also displays the RAW File Extension, if you have the File Name being display with the thumbnail View options, with a + sign then JPG.

                              It is in those cases that the option to use either embedded or Sidecar for a preview that the JPG will be used.

                              And I think that is for any cameras RAW file. Whether or not the embedded JPG is large enough or not to use as a preview file.

                               

                              RAW + JPG.PNG

                               

                              RAW + JPG Copied.PNG

                               

                              Also deleting the RAW file deletes the associated JPG file.

                              And trying to import the associated JPG doesn't work because as far as LR is concerned it is already imported.

                              • 13. Re: Can I use the camera created JPEG from RAW+JPEG as the Lightroom preview
                                Todd Shaner Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                https://forums.adobe.com/people/Just+Shoot+Me  wrote

                                 

                                Todd Shaner   wrote

                                 

                                You only need to check the option in Preferences to "Treat JPEG images next to raw images as separate images" if you want to import both the raw & camera JPEG files. Fuji, Sony, Olympus, or any other camera don't embed a full-size preview. For those cameras you'll need to select  'raw + JPEG' mode in the camera's settings. LR will then use the imported camera JPEG file as the preview for the raw image file.

                                Actually I think you have that a little backwards.

                                If the option is checked to treat JPGs as separate files then they are treated as completely separate files and not associated with a RAW file of the same name.

                                 

                                 

                                https://forums.adobe.com/people/Just+Shoot+Me  wrote

                                 

                                It is in those cases that the option to use either embedded or Sidecar for a preview that the JPG will be used.

                                And I think that is for any cameras RAW file. Whether or not the embedded JPG is large enough or not to use as a preview file.

                                I'm not sure how you can verify this behavior. My Canon CR2 + JPEG file pairs with

                                 

                                https://forums.adobe.com/people/Just+Shoot+Me  wrote

                                 

                                It also displays the RAW File Extension, if you have the File Name being display with the thumbnail View options, with a + sign then JPG.

                                 

                                RAW + JPG.PNG

                                I'm not seeing the +JPEG extension. Please provide a screenshot of the LR Grid View options you are using that displays it.

                                • 15. Re: Can I use the camera created JPEG from RAW+JPEG as the Lightroom preview
                                  Just Shoot Me Adobe Community Professional

                                  This is what I get with that option checked.

                                   

                                  Option Checked.PNG

                                  And with it Unchecked and the option to use Embedded and or Sidecar files selected for the previews.

                                   

                                  Option Unckecked.PNG

                                   

                                  There is an icon on the thumbnails saying it is using an Embedded Preview but when I was importing I did get a status bar at the top that said "Building initial Previews" or something like that.

                                   

                                  I always have that option checked to treat the JPGs as a separate file but I rarely import JPG files unless they are from an Export or If my P&S camera is set to only record JPG images. Which I do sometimes.

                                  I was using that Embedded option for a short time but then stopped and went back to Standard preview.

                                  • 16. Re: Can I use the camera created JPEG from RAW+JPEG as the Lightroom preview
                                    Todd Shaner Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                    OK, with your View Options settings I'm now seeing the +JPEG and Metadata 'Sidecar Files' JPG. It appears you have to use 'Filename.' I was using 'File Name and Copy Name.' One would think it should also show the +JPEG sidecar flag...but it doesn't!

                                     

                                    https://forums.adobe.com/people/Just+Shoot+Me  wrote

                                     

                                    I was using that Embedded option for a short time but then stopped and went back to Standard preview.

                                    Is that because you're using Fuji files that require shooting raw + JPEG to use 'Embedded & Sidecar for previews. I use Canon CR2 files so no need to shoot raw + JPEG and 'Embedded & Sidecar for previews speeds my workflow.

                                    • 17. Re: Can I use the camera created JPEG from RAW+JPEG as the Lightroom preview
                                      Just Shoot Me Adobe Community Professional

                                      Todd Shaner  wrote

                                       

                                      Is that because you're using Fuji files that require shooting raw + JPEG to use 'Embedded & Sidecar for previews. I use Canon CR2 files so no need to shoot raw + JPEG and 'Embedded & Sidecar for previews speeds my workflow.

                                      No. The files from the X-T2 are big enough so LR can use them. Never checked with my X-E2. I doubt I'll use that option again.