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    We Have to Wait ANOTHER YEAR for Our New Mac Pro?!!!

    Brian Stoppee Adobe Community Professional

      Yes. Earlier this month Tom Boger, senior director of Mac Hardware Product Marketing, told Tech Crunch, “We want to be transparent and communicate openly with our pro community, so we want them to know that the Mac Pro is a 2019 product. It’s not something for this year.”

       

      What’s the important part of that statement?

       

      When Tom says, “pro community” he’s not only being transparent about the release time frame, what he’s also saying is, “Are you part of that pro community even if you qualify as a ‘pro’?” There are a limited number of professionals who need that kind of Olympic weight lifting technology muscle.

       

      The top tier Apple and HP laptops are not able to host the RAM needs of many professionals because of RAM limit specification of Intel’s microprocessor. So, those current laptop issues open the door for important desktop computing alternatives. But, at some point Intel will solve the laptop RAM issue. It’s worth mentioning that the microprocessors which go into laptop computers, are traditionally not the same as than those brains which go into desktop computers.

       

      How much technology weight do we need to be pressing over our Macs’ heads to need this kind of power? Here are a few examples of when our MacBook Pros say. “OUCH!”:

       

      Adobe Illustrator: Some AutoCAD users send us huge vector art files. They usually work okay. But, there are times when the projects are so massive that it takes a very long time to scroll around them.

       

      There are some very cool things that we love to do in painting with Illustrator. Once those projects become extremely complex (and we love to make them complex) it’s difficult to paint in realtime. When that happens, we have to stop working.

       

      Adobe Premier Pro: For the most part, non-linear editing (NLE) is not demanding on a fully loaded MacBook Pro. However, we create many graphics which assist people in the learning process. As we build layer upon layer upon layer, the motion graphics cause long projects to lag. Moving up and down or back and forth through a big timeline hurts. Premier Pro’s monitor panels can become slow to respond, as well.

       

      Adobe Photoshop: Oh… where to begin. We go back to Painter 1.0 and our work in pixel art and compositing became something of a signature for us. When Adobe added a paint engine to Photoshop, we could begin to do what we could not accomplish in Painter. However the more layers we add and the great complexity we bring to the table, the more we create a realtime painting issue, similar to what happens in Illustrator. We compound that problem with 3D.

       

      That’s not the whole of it. Animating with Adobe After Effects and Adobe Animate has its own set of pain points.

       

      Why wait? Why don’t we just buy the current Mac Pro? Have you priced a fully loaded one of those things? There are cars which cost less!

       

      We do not know specifically what Apple is waiting for, with the new Mac Pro, but we can see that new big tower development appears to be on hold at HP, as well. So, that tells us its probably all Intel driven.

        • 2. Re: We Have to Wait ANOTHER YEAR for Our New Mac Pro?!!!
          Erik Lord Adobe Community Professional

          Saw an article a month or so ago that Apple was going to ditch Intel to move back to their own CPUs.
          PPC redux?
          I think it was for 2020, so I guess not in time for this 2019 version, but if the switch is just a year later, would seem silly given Intel's memory limitations to purchase a 2019 Mac Pro at all and just wait for the super version in 2020...

          • 3. Re: We Have to Wait ANOTHER YEAR for Our New Mac Pro?!!!
            Brian Stoppee Adobe Community Professional

            https://forums.adobe.com/people/Erik+Lord  wrote

             

            Saw an article a month or so ago that Apple was going to ditch Intel to move back to their own CPUs.

             

            There have been a fair number of rumors about Apple doing their own Microprocessor but it seem to become a bit more legitimate once Bloomberg and Forbes reported on the fact that there are such rumors out there. Normally when those companies report on rumors they have some intel which says it's potentially legit.

             

            The interesting aspect of Apple leaving Intel is that we tend to think of Apple and HP as monster consumers of Intel products. However, even together, they're not a monster chuck of Intel's revenue stream.

            • 4. Re: We Have to Wait ANOTHER YEAR for Our New Mac Pro?!!!
              Brian Stoppee Adobe Community Professional

              https://forums.adobe.com/people/Erik+Lord  wrote

               

              Saw an article a month or so ago that Apple was going to ditch Intel to move back to their own CPUs.
              PPC redux?

               

              It does read like a return to the Mac's PowerPC days doesn't it?

               

              If I were an Apple exec I'd say, "Guys, we've traveled this road before and it didn't take us to a good place."

              • 5. Re: We Have to Wait ANOTHER YEAR for Our New Mac Pro?!!!
                Brian Stoppee Adobe Community Professional

                https://forums.adobe.com/people/Erik+Lord  wrote

                 

                I think it was for 2020, so I guess not in time for this 2019 version, but if the switch is just a year later, would seem silly given Intel's memory limitations to purchase a 2019 Mac Pro at all and just wait for the super version in 2020...

                 

                The other part which seems silly to me is Apple potentially needing to rewrite chunks of macOS to address a different microprocessor.

                 

                That doesn't make sense to me. The upside would need to be dramatic to make it worth their while.

                • 6. Re: We Have to Wait ANOTHER YEAR for Our New Mac Pro?!!!
                  Kat Gilbert Adobe Community Professional

                  Boy, would this set a lot of Mac users back a hundred years or thousands of $$$$!

                  • 7. Re: We Have to Wait ANOTHER YEAR for Our New Mac Pro?!!!
                    Cactus Cowboy Level 2

                    So, what are all you Apple heads gonna do while your waiting for the orchard to decide what it's going to do. The whole report reads like "One Big Cluster Freak" happening. Eurika! I've got it; why not we all switch over to the evil empire!

                    • 8. Re: We Have to Wait ANOTHER YEAR for Our New Mac Pro?!!!
                      Erik Lord Adobe Community Professional

                      I'm not a core programmer but the rewrite wouldn't be required, if the new chip is still x86, right? Assuming that's the architecture Intel's CPUs are still using... I've no idea on variations or flexibility of architectures, so don't know if Apple (or whomever) could create a chip that retains architecture compatibility but go beyond what Intel has been able to do (or do wrongly).

                      They've been through the rewrite process before, and it worked, so they have a roadmap. A new rosetta layer over the current x86 codebase while they rewrite for a new CPU design...and ya know, a solid OS rewrite every so often is a really good idea.

                      • 9. Re: We Have to Wait ANOTHER YEAR for Our New Mac Pro?!!!
                        cmgap Adobe Community Professional

                        ya know, a solid OS rewrite every so often is a really good idea...

                         

                        Well the debacle that they've landed with that is High Sierra one wonders if they've got the talent and skill

                        • 10. Re: We Have to Wait ANOTHER YEAR for Our New Mac Pro?!!!
                          Brian Stoppee Adobe Community Professional

                          https://forums.adobe.com/people/Kat+Gilbert  wrote

                           

                          Boy, would this set a lot of Mac users back a hundred years or thousands of $$$$!

                           

                          You bring up an interesting point, Kat. If Apple were building their own microprocessors rather than buying them from Intel, would that drive the price downward for the end user?

                          • 11. Re: We Have to Wait ANOTHER YEAR for Our New Mac Pro?!!!
                            Brian Stoppee Adobe Community Professional

                            https://forums.adobe.com/people/Erik+Lord  wrote

                             

                            I'm not a core programmer but the rewrite wouldn't be required, if the new chip is still x86, right?

                             

                             

                            Doesn't Intel have a patent on their architecture? I'm not sure how it works when AMD makes x86 microprocessors. Do they license that from Intel?

                            • 12. Re: We Have to Wait ANOTHER YEAR for Our New Mac Pro?!!!
                              Brian Stoppee Adobe Community Professional

                              cmgap  wrote

                               

                              ya know, a solid OS rewrite every so often is a really good idea...

                               

                              Well the debacle that they've landed with that is High Sierra one wonders if they've got the talent and skill

                               

                              The pain points of a major OS rewrite are usually on the shoulders of other developers like Adobe, Autodesk, Microsoft, and even Apple internally.

                               

                              Remember Apple's push to 64 bit apps? It took them forever to get their own apps there and Final Cut Pro's feature sets never fully evolved.

                              • 13. Re: We Have to Wait ANOTHER YEAR for Our New Mac Pro?!!!
                                Brian Stoppee Adobe Community Professional

                                One of the things Tim Cook does well as Apple's CEO is weigh the financials.

                                 

                                He promotes the investment in innovative development, but he knows when to change direction.

                                 

                                If (and it's still an "if") Apple is moving forward with their own microprocessor family, it's surely something with major muscle. Maybe there are other partners in such a venture (like HP) which are also held back by Intel's delays.

                                 

                                Apple and HP have to be the key drivers for Intel's high end demand.

                                • 14. Re: We Have to Wait ANOTHER YEAR for Our New Mac Pro?!!!
                                  Brian Stoppee Adobe Community Professional

                                  https://forums.adobe.com/people/Cactus+Cowboy  wrote

                                   

                                  I've got it; why not we all switch over to the evil empire!

                                   

                                  You speak of Windows 10?

                                   

                                  I kind of like that OS but I know it would require me to invest a ton of time to have expertise with it.

                                   

                                  However, if I bought a HP tower, it has the same microprocessor as the Mac Pro, so what have I gained?

                                  • 15. Re: We Have to Wait ANOTHER YEAR for Our New Mac Pro?!!!
                                    Erik Lord Adobe Community Professional

                                    AMD has a long term x86 license from Intel. I don't know the details though. I think 64bit instructions on x86 are an AMD thing though, so there's probably cross-licensing involved...?

                                    • 16. Re: We Have to Wait ANOTHER YEAR for Our New Mac Pro?!!!
                                      Brian Stoppee Adobe Community Professional

                                      https://forums.adobe.com/people/Erik+Lord  wrote

                                       

                                      AMD has a long term x86 license from Intel. I don't know the details though. I think 64bit instructions on x86 are an AMD thing though, so there's probably cross-licensing involved...?

                                       

                                      Thank you for that Erik. Janet & I tried to do some quick research on how that works and could not find solid answers.

                                       

                                      We don't know why such an arrangement with AMD makes sense for Intel.

                                       

                                      For the kind of things Janet & I do with Windows, we only see HP computers, which probably gives us a very one-sided view of things. So, we only know of AMD microprocessors in the entry level side of things, so we have no contact with that stuff.

                                       

                                      But that kind of gets back to the discussion of Apple making its own microprocessors for pro-level Macs.

                                       

                                      There was an interesting (sort of humorous) article I saw on the number of A9 processors needed to equal a Mac Pro 2.7GHz 12-core with 30MB of L3 cache or a HP Z 8 Workstation with 44 cores. It was one of those things where there was a football field-sized analogies.

                                       

                                      That said, would Intel license Apple to take their top tier technology and create something which would out perform anything Intel could make?

                                       

                                      There some thinking that it wouldn't harm Intel financially but it would kill their street-cred.

                                      • 17. Re: We Have to Wait ANOTHER YEAR for Our New Mac Pro?!!!
                                        Cactus Cowboy Level 2

                                        From all that I've read, You'd gain a big savings over remaining with Apple in money alone. Is it not the main argument that Apple is not providing a system with chipsets that allow a monsterous size memory advantage to be able to run demanding apps and projects, and that this new deal that they are putting together is going to do just that...supposedly at an enormous cost for such a system.

                                         

                                        You could probably build a laptop or desktop to your specs right now for half of what an Apple's new system deal will costs and run as much memory as you can afford and whatever OS you need or even dual operating systems. An aftermarket custom rig is by far the way to go. Why HP, why Apple, why Dell hell, why Window's...why not you pick al-la-carte what you want or need in a wishlist shopping cart fashion and that way you know exactly what you have to compare with. A lot people of have been doing this all ready. Apple is still to damn proprietary with everything. You would have thought that with the death of Jobs that would have been the first thing they would have changed. It would have been for the better of it customers.

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                                          D Fosse Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                          "Apple vs. HP" is the Apple way of thinking.The off-the-shelf pre-packaged product, all wrapped up. You're not even supposed to know what's inside, you just hand it over to the guys in white lab coats if something doesn't work.

                                           

                                          Most high-end Windows users build their own systems to their own particular needs. It's not about money, it's about getting a machine to your precise specs. Components are so well specified to work together today, that anyone can do it with a little research and care.

                                           

                                          95% of all problems people have in the Photoshop forum can be traced back to the video card, and drivers optimized for games. This seems to hit both platforms equally (although updating the driver or rolling back is a lot easier on Windows).

                                          • 19. Re: We Have to Wait ANOTHER YEAR for Our New Mac Pro?!!!
                                            Ussnorway Adobe Community Professional

                                            https://forums.adobe.com/people/Kat+Gilbert  wrote

                                             

                                            Boy, would this set a lot of Mac users back a hundred years or thousands of $$$$!

                                            yes

                                             

                                            the only way it competes against Intel is to make something that at least "keeps up" and that means massive R&D on a product with no estabished name behind it... ask AMD how much effort that takes and why people love them so much when they finally get it right

                                            • 20. Re: We Have to Wait ANOTHER YEAR for Our New Mac Pro?!!!
                                              Brian Stoppee Adobe Community Professional

                                              https://forums.adobe.com/people/Cactus+Cowboy  wrote

                                               

                                              An aftermarket custom rig is by far the way to go. Why HP, why Apple…

                                               

                                              Without a doubt, Janet & I saved a bunch of money in our days of building our own towers for Windows.

                                               

                                              We would have some compatibility issues from time to time because of a few components we chose. But that was many years ago.

                                              • 21. Re: We Have to Wait ANOTHER YEAR for Our New Mac Pro?!!!
                                                Brian Stoppee Adobe Community Professional

                                                https://forums.adobe.com/people/D+Fosse  wrote

                                                 

                                                "Apple vs. HP" is the Apple way of thinking.The off-the-shelf pre-packaged product, all wrapped up. You're not even supposed to know what's inside, you just hand it over to the guys in white lab coats if something doesn't work.

                                                 

                                                For the sake of forums like these, we have to keep in mind that a big chuck of Adobe's subscriber base is enterprise users. This includes big corporations (along with big media companies), educational institutions, governments, non-profits, etc, etc.) Their IT people want their users to have something very specific. For many of them, the focus is Apple and HP. Sometimes they are franchise operators where Apple and/or HP is all they are allowed to have.

                                                 

                                                Then there are the enterprise users who buy whatever is the most dirt cheap, minimally specced Dell or Lenovo thing they can find.

                                                 

                                                (We need to make more money so we can hire a white lab coat guy!!!!)

                                                • 22. Re: We Have to Wait ANOTHER YEAR for Our New Mac Pro?!!!
                                                  Trevor.Dennis Adobe Community Professional

                                                  Brian you seem to be picking information out of the air to suit your argument.  You started getting weird when you narrowed the PC side of the Apple vs Windows options to HP, and you are now trying to support that with your enterprise user base argument.   It's a non sequitur if ever I heard one.

                                                   

                                                  One of the strengths of a Windows system is the flexibility it offers when choosing the hardware.  You can tailor a system to best match the work you will be doing.  That does not mean every user has a unique Frankenstein monster of a system.  Power users, like television studios, design centres, and science laboratories, use companies like Puget Systems who go to extreme lengths to best match hardware to end use, and build systems that best serve their clients.   

                                                   

                                                  Looking though Puget Systems long list of ongoing testing, we see software ranging from Adobe applications, DaVinci Resolve, Solidworks, Pix4D, Cinema 4D, V-Ray, Octane Render, various Autodesk titles, and on and  on.  Those articles are a godsend for serious system builders, but it  is not just Puget Systems that provides this sort of high end hardware.  Film and television have companies like ADK and Videoguys, and I am sure there will be other companies that specialise in CAD, CAE, etc. systems.

                                                   

                                                  As I never tire of saying, the highest placed Mac in Harm and Bill's PPBM5 results table  was way down in the 661st place out of 1351 entries.  It was too much work to keep updating the results table, so there is no table for Premiere Pro CS6 and CC, but if you spend some time on the Premiere Pro Hardware forum, you won't see many Mac systems being discussed.

                                                   

                                                  Benchmark Results

                                                   

                                                  Do you have any idea at all of the likely spec of the next Mac Pro, and its likely cost?   If not, what is the spec and cost of the current Mac Pro.  Argument and opinion is not a substitute for hard data.  The numbers don't lie. 

                                                  • 23. Re: We Have to Wait ANOTHER YEAR for Our New Mac Pro?!!!
                                                    Brian Stoppee Adobe Community Professional

                                                    Trevor.Dennis  wrote

                                                     

                                                    Brian you seem to be picking information out of the air to suit your argument.

                                                     

                                                    I have no argument to make against the use of custom towers. It's a viable option which fits the needs of specific users.

                                                    • 24. Re: We Have to Wait ANOTHER YEAR for Our New Mac Pro?!!!
                                                      D Fosse Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                       

                                                      I have no argument to make against the use of custom towers. It's a viable option which fits the needs of specific users.

                                                       

                                                      Actually not "specific" users, but high-end users in general. That's just the way they all do it nowadays.

                                                       

                                                      And this is such an effective strategy that the MacPro's main problem today, is that there's no longer any real market for it. Unless they adopt the same strategy - which of course goes against everything Apple has ever stood for. The MacPro painted itself into a corner.

                                                       

                                                      The iMac will still have its loyal user base, and it's a fine machine at what it does. But that's as high up as the "Apple way" will take you before you need to start custom building.

                                                      • 25. Re: We Have to Wait ANOTHER YEAR for Our New Mac Pro?!!!
                                                        Cactus Cowboy Level 2

                                                        Got deep pockets or maybe a money market account you can cash in? Check this out:

                                                        Intel Xeon Scalable Platinum 8180 SkyLake 28-Core 2.5 GHz (3.8 GHz Turbo) LGA 3647 205W BX806738180 Server Processor. It's on sale at Newegg for (get this) $9999.99 USD. That's just the cpu it's an intel core i9 and the specs are off the chart. 35.6 mb L3 Cache for one.

                                                        You think if I'm a good boy Santa will get me one...gee, I hope so.

                                                        • 26. Re: We Have to Wait ANOTHER YEAR for Our New Mac Pro?!!!
                                                          Brian Stoppee Adobe Community Professional

                                                          https://forums.adobe.com/people/D+Fosse  wrote

                                                          Actually not "specific" users, but high-end users in general. That's just the way they all do it nowadays.

                                                           

                                                          I was thinking about some of the suppliers who are solutions providers for specific needs. By way of example, there was a time when broadcast was adapting to digital storage. As that grew the NAB shows sold massive exhibit floor space to companies which customized solutions based upon some core storage concepts and did things on a MTO (made to order) basis.

                                                           

                                                          Those kind of markets are not driven by the latest and greatest from Apple/HP.

                                                          • 27. Re: We Have to Wait ANOTHER YEAR for Our New Mac Pro?!!!
                                                            Brian Stoppee Adobe Community Professional

                                                            https://forums.adobe.com/people/Cactus+Cowboy  wrote

                                                             

                                                            Intel Xeon Scalable Platinum 8180 SkyLake 28-Core 2.5 GHz (3.8 GHz Turbo) LGA 3647 205W BX806738180 Server Processor.

                                                             

                                                            I had not been following this Intel stuff and was surprised that HP's top of the line microprocessor was 44 core.

                                                            • 28. Re: We Have to Wait ANOTHER YEAR for Our New Mac Pro?!!!
                                                              Kat Gilbert Adobe Community Professional

                                                              So just what can a 44 core do for the user???

                                                              • 29. Re: We Have to Wait ANOTHER YEAR for Our New Mac Pro?!!!
                                                                Brian Stoppee Adobe Community Professional

                                                                https://forums.adobe.com/people/Kat+Gilbert  wrote

                                                                 

                                                                So just what can a 44 core do for the user???

                                                                It probably does less for the user than it does for HP's street cred.

                                                                • 31. Re: We Have to Wait ANOTHER YEAR for Our New Mac Pro?!!!
                                                                  Cactus Cowboy Level 2

                                                                  Hey, this cpu is well out of the reach all of us here. But it's not out of the reach of corporations. Maybe Adobe even has a few in use. As for what does 44 cores do for a user, it would be way over-kill for the general user. Cores parse out mathematical equations quicker by multi-threading. The more cores the faster the calculations the less heat to the cpu. Also, it unlocks the RAM restrictions and limitations to higher degree. A very rough general explanation. That's why when folks ask the question "What kind of system do I need to run the latest version of say 'Adobe Photoshop, Illustrator, After Effects' or the others" Adobe has created a webpage that you helper bees refer them to on practically a daily basis.

                                                                  I just pasted the ad because I wanted to see what the fastest CPU was on the aftermarket today and this was one of them. There's others with differing price ranges and speeds and core numbers but it seems that the number of cores is symmetrical with the type of software being created by all software manufactures and rightfully so. These chip makers and mobo makers and ram makers and graphics card makers and software creators must collaborate closely as each companies bottom line requires they are able to give their respective customers the most trouble free integrated experience (an incredible feat in light of how well we all get along on these forums barring pay). We all are the judge with our dollars on how good a job they are doing.       

                                                                  • 32. Re: We Have to Wait ANOTHER YEAR for Our New Mac Pro?!!!
                                                                    Brian Stoppee Adobe Community Professional

                                                                    https://forums.adobe.com/people/Cactus+Cowboy  wrote

                                                                     

                                                                    As for what does 44 cores do for a user, it would be way over-kill for the general user. Cores parse out mathematical equations quicker by multi-threading. The more cores the faster the calculations the less heat to the cpu. Also, it unlocks the RAM restrictions and limitations to higher degree.

                                                                    .

                                                                    Does anyone know if that's an important component for a high activity, big bandwidth server? We know a few streaming media farms who buy these HP towers to feed insane amounts of Internet pounding

                                                                    • 33. Re: We Have to Wait ANOTHER YEAR for Our New Mac Pro?!!!
                                                                      Brian Stoppee Adobe Community Professional

                                                                      https://forums.adobe.com/people/Cactus+Cowboy  wrote

                                                                       

                                                                      Hey, this cpu is well out of the reach all of us here. But it's not out of the reach of corporations.    

                                                                       

                                                                      In all candor, I don't know of any corporations which have these kind of IT budgets. But, I don't know what they would do with such a thing even if they had that kind of money.

                                                                       

                                                                      To provide a little context, Janet & I are in the Baltimore-Washington metropolitan area. There are huge corporations here many of which are government contractors. Northern Virginia is data center capital. So, our region buys a BUNCH computers, but the vast, vast majority of it is off the shelf computers. From what we see in offices or at WiFi hot spots either has a logo with a piece of fruit or logo with two initials and the first one is "H".

                                                                      • 34. Re: We Have to Wait ANOTHER YEAR for Our New Mac Pro?!!!
                                                                        Cactus Cowboy Level 2

                                                                        I agree Brian, I copy you right down to the period. But if your right and others as well then why would chip makers create something like these and slap on prices as high as they do. I think it's because they sell; to who or for what I don't know the answer to that either. Maybe it's gamers or video editors but would you need chips this powerful? Maybe it as simple as geeks wanting the biggest, baddest, newest, shiniest toy out there for simple bragging rights. Could even be a tax write off for the chip companies.

                                                                        Have you had a look at the newest graphics cards that are available right now; man, they're something else too.

                                                                        • 35. Re: We Have to Wait ANOTHER YEAR for Our New Mac Pro?!!!
                                                                          cmgap Adobe Community Professional

                                                                          The requirement for more power is being driven by bitcoin / crypto currency miners... millions of transactions in milliseconds by minor in Iceland and other hubs.

                                                                          • 36. Re: We Have to Wait ANOTHER YEAR for Our New Mac Pro?!!!
                                                                            Brian Stoppee Adobe Community Professional

                                                                            https://forums.adobe.com/people/Cactus+Cowboy  wrote

                                                                             

                                                                            I agree Brian, I copy you right down to the period. But if your right and others as well then why would chip makers create something like these and slap on prices as high as they do. I think it's because they sell; to who or for what I don't know the answer to that either. Maybe it's gamers or video editors but would you need chips this powerful? Maybe it as simple as geeks wanting the biggest, baddest, newest, shiniest toy out there for simple bragging rights. Could even be a tax write off for the chip companies.

                                                                            Have you had a look at the newest graphics cards that are available right now; man, they're something else too.

                                                                             

                                                                            The weird thing about top tier technology is that it costs a ton of money for the R&D and the market can be too small to drive the ROI (return on investment).

                                                                             

                                                                            However, it is believed that it pays the way for future development and makes the brand what it is.

                                                                             

                                                                            By way of example Canon, Nikon, and Sony cannot make enough money at high end dSLR cameras and lenses. They lose money at that stuff. But they believe if they dropped out of the high-end pro tools, their brands would fade into history.

                                                                             

                                                                            Intel and AMD make boat loads (literally) of money selling the circuitry which makes cheap computers work.

                                                                             

                                                                            That stuff is their version of Canon's, Nikon's, and Sony's point and shoot cameras of days gone by.

                                                                            • 37. Re: We Have to Wait ANOTHER YEAR for Our New Mac Pro?!!!
                                                                              Brian Stoppee Adobe Community Professional

                                                                              cmgap  wrote

                                                                               

                                                                              The requirement for more power is being driven by bitcoin / crypto currency miners... millions of transactions in milliseconds by minor in Iceland and other hubs.

                                                                               

                                                                              So we do know that a 44 core microprocessor in a HP tower is what drives massive Internet traffic?

                                                                              • 38. Re: We Have to Wait ANOTHER YEAR for Our New Mac Pro?!!!
                                                                                Cactus Cowboy Level 2

                                                                                Yea, I saw the YouTube videos on these Crypto-miners. Brian, everybody this is why the insane increase in mega cores and speed. One guy built a motherboard with two sidy by side 44 core chipset, That's eighty-eight cores and the capacity for 674 mb of memory; eighteen sticks side by side.

                                                                                 

                                                                                Yes, this is the correct answer. 

                                                                                • 39. Re: We Have to Wait ANOTHER YEAR for Our New Mac Pro?!!!
                                                                                  Ussnorway Adobe Community Professional

                                                                                  in lay terms more cores = more things at once

                                                                                  it is the Virtual market driving them more than anything else, so a guy running Fusion (vmware on a MAC) has two core cpu thats one to run the host and the other runs whatever virtual software is installed on Fusion... if he upgrades to a 4 core cpu then he could run another V-system (at the same time!) with out slowing anything down and assuming he has the ram.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  a 44 core cpu only makes sence in servers running muti-systems and is very inefficient way to mine... most serious mining systems use single core boxes in mutliple stacks but the draw of easy money attracts clueless investers until the market settles down

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