36 Replies Latest reply on Dec 1, 2018 11:19 AM by Zaffer

    The photo's color is different in Photoshop!!

    ghaidaah2244226

      Hey all,

       

      I hope you all are having a good day.

       

      I just faced a problem with my Photoshop. When I open a new raw photo in Photoshop the colors of the photo looks different from the original.

      I tried to fix the problem from Edit > color-settings but it does not seems to work. Also, I tried View > Proof color. All these steps are useless.

      Please If there is any solution let me know.

       

      I will post a screenshot for the problem.

       

      Thank You

       

      The original Photo

      The Photo in the Photoshop

        • 1. Re: The photo's color is different in Photoshop!!
          davescm Adobe Community Professional

          Hi

          A couple of questions and comments:

           

          1. The photo looks different in Photoshop compared to being viewed in what ?

          2. You said it was a raw image but your second screenshot shows a jpeg file. Exactly how are you opening the raw file?

           

          3. Edit > Color Settings is not for fixing photographs. If you don't know what you are doing you will mess up the settings and make things worse. So restore those to the defaults (North America General Purpose 2 or Europe General Purpose 3 will both work) and ensure that Preserve Embedded Profiles is checked.

           

          Dave

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          • 2. Re: The photo's color is different in Photoshop!!
            D Fosse Adobe Community Professional & MVP

            First of all, don't make any changes in Color Settings! It won't do anything, it's not where the problem is. Restore everything to defaults, or you will quickly get into trouble later.

             

            This is not a raw photo - this is a jpeg. Where does it come from, specifically? What application is the first screenshot from? Windows "Photos"? This is not a color managed viewer and it will not match Photoshop.

             

            It happens that defective display profiles (from the manufacturer) are distributed through Windows Update. This would only affect color managed applications that actually use the profile, like Photoshop.

             

            To test this, it's possible to bypass it in Photoshop. This should make Photoshop behave just like Windows "Photos". Go to View > Proof Setup, and in the submenu check "Monitor Color". Note - this is not a fix!!! It's just to see if they now match, if they do, the profile is indeed bad.

             

            Please report back the result of this diagnostic test. To get out of proof and back to normal view, uncheck View > Proof Color.

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            • 3. Re: The photo's color is different in Photoshop!!
              D Fosse Adobe Community Professional & MVP

              OK, I finished a close second there...

              • 4. Re: The photo's color is different in Photoshop!!
                Mariam Hovhannessian Adobe Community Professional

                Do you have edited that file earlier? because when you open edit the close it automatically saving you raw file

                • 5. Re: The photo's color is different in Photoshop!!
                  davescm Adobe Community Professional

                  At least we said the same thing Dag

                  Dave

                  • 6. Re: The photo's color is different in Photoshop!!
                    ghaidaah2244226 Level 1

                    Hey Dave,

                     

                    Thanks for replaying

                     

                    1. The photo looks different in Photoshop comparing to Photos 'windows'

                    2. The photos uploaded from my camera "Canon", I thought it was a RAW image but i checked and all my photos was JPEG as you mentioned.

                     

                    3. I just follows the steps form someone who reports a solution for this problem. Now when I open any photo this window appears.

                     

                       

                    • 7. Re: The photo's color is different in Photoshop!!
                      ghaidaah2244226 Level 1

                      Hey D Fosse,

                       

                      Thank you for your kind support.

                       

                      I restored everything to default.

                      The photos uploaded from my camera "Canon", I thought it was a RAW image but i checked and all my photos was JPEG as you said mb.

                       

                      I did test the photo from Proof setup > Monitor RGB but it still not as shown in "photo" windows.

                       

                      I cannot work! I don not know what to do to solve this issue!

                      • 9. Re: The photo's color is different in Photoshop!!
                        D Fosse Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                        Phew. That's as wrong as it gets.

                        • Don't ever set the monitor profile as working space. That kills the whole color management chain, with totally unpredictable results down the road. This will get you in serious trouble.
                        • Don't ever use the Windows "virtual device" profiles in any context. These profiles do not follow standard icc specifications and are for totally different purposes.
                        • Don't ever discard the embedded profile.

                         

                        I don't understand why some people feel they need to mess up Photoshop this way. Standard color settings just work, if you leave them alone, and they save you from a lot of headaches later.

                         

                        If you see inconsistencies, it's because something else doesn't work. Either the monitor/laptop manufacturer gave you a corrupt/defective monitor profile, or you are using applications that don't support color management at all. You don't need to break Photoshop for that.

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                        • 10. Re: The photo's color is different in Photoshop!!
                          D Fosse Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                          OK. That was in response to the screenshot. So with that out of the way:

                           

                          This looks like a laptop. Many laptop manufacturers add "helpful" features like varying screen brightness according to interface, application or ambient light. Make sure any such functions are disabled in the laptop's settings.

                           

                          We've seen several examples of this just recently.

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                          • 11. Re: The photo's color is different in Photoshop!!
                            davescm Adobe Community Professional

                            Hi

                            Start by following the advice Dag and I gave earlier on colour settings and restore the Colour Settings defaults.

                             

                            Check in Windows > Settings >System>Display what colour profile is set. Provided you have the right profile here, as Dag said it should just work.

                             

                            There is a caveat though - Colour managed applications (including Photoshop) will display the colours correctly - provided the image has an embedded colour profile (your does). Many other applications that show images are not colour managed and show colours incorrectly. Don't assume a non colour managed application is showing colours correctly.

                             

                            Dave

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                            • 12. Re: The photo's color is different in Photoshop!!
                              mkbooth

                              Did you ever get this fixed? I am having a similar problem.

                              • 13. Re: The photo's color is different in Photoshop!!
                                raduț24633444

                                Hello guys

                                I have the same problem, but it appears only on some of the files.

                                I changed it to Monitor RGB and it is working on some of them.

                                I changed PS to factory settings, but issue persists.

                                What should i do next ?

                                • 14. Re: The photo's color is different in Photoshop!!
                                  c.pfaffenbichler Level 9
                                  What should i do next ?

                                  Start with providing pertinent information, set the Status Bar to »Document Profile« and post screenshots to illustrate.

                                  Do the images have their profiles embedded?

                                  What are the exact current Colour Settings?

                                  To what are you comparing Photoshop’s display of the images?

                                  • 15. Re: The photo's color is different in Photoshop!!
                                    davescm Adobe Community Professional

                                    Hi

                                    You changed what to monitor RGB?

                                     

                                    The monitor profile is assigned in the Operating system and used in the background by Photoshop. It should be used only for that purpose. Messing around with colour settings and assigning the monitor profile elsewhere, for example to documents, can only lead to problems.

                                     

                                    Reset your colour settings to default and make sure that Preserve embedded profiles is checked.

                                     

                                     

                                     

                                    Dave

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                                    • 16. Re: The photo's color is different in Photoshop!!
                                      D Fosse Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                      ...and if there is still a problem, it's a defective or corrupt monitor profile - probably from the manufacturer, distributed through Windows Update. This happens a lot.

                                       

                                      It should also be stressed that only color managed applications (like Photoshop) actually use the monitor profile. Most image viewers like Windows "Photos" are not color managed, and are unaffected by a bad profile.

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                                      • 17. Re: The photo's color is different in Photoshop!!
                                        raduț24633444 Level 1

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                                        I don't know exactly what happened, it just started doing this a few days ago.

                                        I tried reinstalling PS, issue persists.

                                        I checked the Windows color settings, it is the same

                                        • 18. Re: The photo's color is different in Photoshop!!
                                          c.pfaffenbichler Level 9

                                          What are those screenshots supposed to illustrate? 

                                          And once again: Please

                                          set the Status Bar to »Document Profile«
                                          • 20. Re: The photo's color is different in Photoshop!!
                                            D Fosse Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                            Don't use e-sRGB! Use the normal, standard sRGB profile (sRGB IEC61966-2.1)

                                             

                                            e-sRGB is a strange animal that may have some specialist uses (I have no idea which) - but it will ruin any normal image. Stay away from it.

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                                            • 21. Re: The photo's color is different in Photoshop!!
                                              D Fosse Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                              AFAICT from googling it, e-sRGB is an old and primitive attempt at a wide gamut profile - a totally failed attempt, and by now only a footnote in computer history.

                                               

                                              Best ignored and forgotten.

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                                              • 22. Re: The photo's color is different in Photoshop!!
                                                davescm Adobe Community Professional

                                                Hi

                                                Perhaps this simple explanation may help you find you problem and also explain why we say restore the colour settings to default.

                                                 

                                                Digital images are made up of numbers. In RGB mode, each pixel has a number representing Red, a number representing Green and a Number representing Blue. The problem comes in that different devices can be sent those same numbers but will show different colours. To see a demonstration of this, walk into your local T.V. shop and look at the different coloured pictures – all from the same material.

                                                 

                                                To ensure the output device is showing the correct colours then a colour management system needs to know two things:


                                                1. What colours do the numbers in the document represent? 

                                                 

                                                This is the job of the document profile which describes the exact colour to be shown when Red=255 and what colour of white is meant when Red=255, Green = 255 and Blue =255. It also describes how the intermediate values move from 0 through to 255 – known as the tone response curve (or sometimes “gamma”).
                                                Examples of colour spaces are (Adobe RGB1998, sRGB IEC61966-2.1)
                                                With the information from the document profile, the colour management system knows what colour is actually represented by the pixel values in the document.

                                                 

                                                 

                                                2. What colour will be displayed on the printer/monitor if it is sent certain pixel values?

                                                 

                                                This is the job of the monitor/printer&paper profile. It should describe exactly what colours the device is capable of showing and, how the device will respond when sent certain values.
                                                So with a monitor profile that is built to represent the specific monitor (or a printer profile built to represent the specific printer, ink and paper combination) then the colour management system can predict exactly what colours will be shown if it sends specific pixel values to that device.

                                                 


                                                So armed with those two profiles, the colour management system will convert the numbers in the document to the numbers that must be sent to the device in order that the correct colours are displayed. It does this completely in the background.

                                                 

                                                 

                                                So what can go wrong :

                                                 

                                                1. The colours look different in Photoshop, which is colour managed, to the colours in a different application which is not
                                                  colour managed.
                                                  This is not actually fault, but it is a commonly raised issue. It is the colour managed version which is correct – the none colour managed application is just sending the document RGB numbers to the output device regardless without any conversion regardless of what they represent in the document and the way they will be displayed on the output device.

                                                 

                                                2. The colour settings are changed in Photoshop without an understanding of what the settings do.

                                                     This results in the wrong profiles being used and therefore the wrong conversions and the wrong colours.

                                                    

                                                3.  The profile for the output device is incorrect.
                                                The profile should represent the behaviour of the device exactly. If the wrong profile is used it will not. Equally if the settings on the device are changed in comparison to those settings when the profile was made, then the profile can no longer describe the behaviour of the device. Two examples would be using a printer profile designed for one paper, with a different paper, or using a monitor profile but changing the colour/contrast etc settings on the monitor.

                                                 

                                                The monitor profile is set in the operating system (in Windows 10 that is under Settings>System>Display >Advanced) which leads to a potential further issue. Operating system updates can sometimes load a different monitor profile,or a broken profile, which no longer represents the actual monitor.

                                                 

                                                Colour management is simple to use provided the document profile is correct and the output device profile (monitor/printer)  is correct. All the math is done in the background.

                                                 

                                                Hence the recommendations :
                                                - Use the default color settings unless you know and understand the specific reason to change them.
                                                - Ensure Preserve Embedded profiles is used.
                                                - Save /Export your documents with a specific profile.
                                                - Ensure your monitor profile correctly represents your monitor (ideally use a device such as i1display to calibrate and then build the profile).

                                                 

                                                 

                                                 

                                                I hope that helps

                                                 

                                                Dave

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                                                • 23. Re: The photo's color is different in Photoshop!!
                                                  Zaffer Level 1

                                                  I had a similar problem importing some photographs into and out of Photoshop/Lightroom.  I could not import them to Blender correctly.  All my settings in both Photoshop and Blender were sRGB, but even with that, the images still looked redder in Blender.  After much experimentation, I found this workaround.  It involves changing the document's color profile to NTSC.  I don't know why this works, but it does.  Here are my steps (for Windows 10).

                                                  Many photographs – from some phones and from my canon (tested with JPGs, not sure about RAW), via Lightroom, do not export correctly from Photoshop.  They look OK in Photoshop and Lightroom, but they export to JPG and PNG looking redder.

                                                   

                                                  A way to test this is to bring the exported JPG or PNG up in both Windows Paintbrush and Windows Photoviewer.  The image will look right in Photoviewer and too red in Paintbrush. If printed, it will print too red. If imported into Blender, it will import too red.

                                                   

                                                  The work-around I found for this is to make changes to their color management.

                                                  • Leave Photoshop general color settings as they are.
                                                  • Assign the document profile to NTSC.
                                                  • Convert the document profile to NTSC.
                                                  • When exporting to either JPG or PNG, check the box “Embed Color Profile.”
                                                  • Do not check the box to “Convert to sRBG.”

                                                   

                                                  I don’t know why this works, but it does. 

                                                  Zaffer

                                                  • 24. Re: The photo's color is different in Photoshop!!
                                                    D Fosse Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                    You're making a lot of trouble for yourself here, to the point of damaging your files permanently.

                                                     

                                                    Always keep your files in a standard color space. That's sRGB, Adobe RGB or ProPhoto. There is no reason, ever, to use anything else.

                                                     

                                                    Blender is most likely not color managed and doesn't use your monitor profile. If your monitor has a wider gamut than sRGB, your sRGB files will display oversaturated. The wider the gamut, the more oversaturated. That's the explanation, nothing to do with the document profile.

                                                    • 25. Re: The photo's color is different in Photoshop!!
                                                      davescm Adobe Community Professional

                                                      Hi

                                                      Blender does not use ICC profiles. It manages color via OpenColorIO and gives a choice of display settings. Because there is no profile it assumes your display has been calibrated to and follows a standard e.g. sRGB , Rec709, or DCI-P3. Calibration but no ICC profile is the way the video world works.

                                                       

                                                      If your monitor cannot be set, and calibrated,  to follow one of those standards then it is not suitable for use with Blender.

                                                       

                                                      When using images in textures then Blender is expecting sRGB files. The profile though is ignored so any file will be treated as sRGB whether it is or not.

                                                       

                                                      Dave

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                                                      • 26. Re: The photo's color is different in Photoshop!!
                                                        D Fosse Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                        Right, thanks for confirming. That's what I thought.

                                                         

                                                        (And Dave should know, he's our resident Blender wizard )

                                                        • 27. Re: The photo's color is different in Photoshop!!
                                                          Zaffer Level 1

                                                          Thanks for the advice, but I don't think the problem is monitor-related because I have experimented with many different photos, imported from many different sources, and some export from Photoshop and import into Blender just fine.  Others don't -- simply look too red.   I have two Dell UP2516D monitors which are set to RGB input.

                                                           

                                                          I use Lightroom extensively, but Lightroom doesn't seem to have any color management settings in its export choices.

                                                           

                                                          All I can say, is I've tried everything you guys have recommended:  Start with untouched JPG from my phone or camera, drag into untitled document in Photoshop which is set to sRGB color profile, with default Photoshop color settings.  Export photo -- with sRBG profile, check embed color profile in export box.  Resulting JPG looks OK in Photo viewer, too red in Paintbrush and Blender.  See attached example; image on the left is in Paintbrush (looks the same in Blender); image on the right is in Photo Viewer (Windows 10).    I even tried the same routine with no color management -- same result. 

                                                           

                                                          The only thing that works for me is to use NTSC as I describe above.  I'm using Blender 2.79b which seems to have some sort of color management.  I set everything to sRGB. (see attached).  Thanks.

                                                          Zaffertest_2.JPGBlender_color_mgmt..JPG

                                                          • 28. Re: The photo's color is different in Photoshop!!
                                                            davescm Adobe Community Professional

                                                            Hi

                                                            Looking at the specs your Dell monitor is a wide gamut monitor which without colour management will display the Adobe RGB workspace and sRGB images will look oversaturated. Photoshop and Windows Photo Viewer are color managed so will display correctly if you use a valid profile for the monitor.
                                                            Painter and Blender ignore ICC profiles so will not.

                                                             

                                                            It does look, from the online spec, as if you can switch your display to use the reduced color space of sRGB or to the REC 709 space. If you set it that way and set Blender display the same then it should display correctly.

                                                             

                                                            As I said above , Blender is expecting the textures in sRGB. I work between Substance and Blender and that works correctly.

                                                             

                                                             

                                                            You mention NTSC which has a wider gamut than sRGB but slightly different primaries to Adobe RGB. If that looks correct in applications that ignore the profile, again it suggests that your monitor is set to the wider color space than you have set in Blender. With Blender set to sRGB and and an sRGB calibrated monitor - then an image in NTSC would look undersaturated.

                                                             

                                                            Dave

                                                            • 29. Re: The photo's color is different in Photoshop!!
                                                              Zaffer Level 1

                                                              Hi Dave,

                                                              I set my monitor's color space to sRGB as you suggested and tried again to work on my image in Photoshop with all settings, document color space etc set to sRGB.  Same problem.  Exported JPG was redder than Photoshop version and redder in Blender.  The only way I can get consistent color across Photoshop, Blender, Photoviewer and Paint is to work in NTSC  in Photoshop to get the color I want and then export it as NTSC.  (see attached comparison JPG).

                                                              NTSC_Four_platforms_agree.JPG

                                                               

                                                              I appreciate your time and advice on this.  I uploaded my Photoshop file and the original unmanipulated JPG to my website as a zip file.  Here's the link:  http://bitsong.com/for_posting/color_problem.html.   I'm also including the original unmanipulated JPG image from my camera in the zip file.  If you have time, perhaps you could explore this for me.  Thanks.

                                                               

                                                              Zaffer

                                                               

                                                              NTSC_Four_platforms_agree.JPG

                                                              • 30. Re: The photo's color is different in Photoshop!!
                                                                D Fosse Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                                You still don't understand. You cannot get consistency between Photoshop and Blender, because Photoshop is color managed and Blender is not. There's no point in trying. Photoshop is right; Blender is wrong.

                                                                 

                                                                Another thing - if you change any setting in the monitor, the monitor profile is invalidated and you need to make a new one. Otherwise Photoshop will display incorrectly. The monitor profile always needs to be a description of the monitor in its current, actual state.

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                                                                • 31. Re: The photo's color is different in Photoshop!!
                                                                  davescm Adobe Community Professional

                                                                  Actually I do get a consistent journey but to do that I do the following, which is consistent with Dag's advice above:

                                                                   

                                                                  1. Calibrate my monitor as close as possible to sRGB standards
                                                                  2. Profile the monitor and set that profile in the operating system so that it is used by Photoshop

                                                                  3. Export images from Photoshop to Blender converted to sRGB (I also embed the profile but it will be ignored)

                                                                  4. I set Blender display to sRGB

                                                                  5. If using the images on planes in Blender, I use an emmision shader with strength value of 1.0    If using them on lit textures then colour depends on the lighting.   For non image data - e.g. roughness maps etc I set the nodes to non color data.

                                                                   

                                                                  Coming the other way - I render either as sRGB or as Filmic Pro (Blender colour management render settings) or export the render as full 32 bit (linear) For the first, sRGB, I assign sRGB when opening in Photoshop. For the second, Filmic Pro, I assign a profile with sRGB primaries and a 2.2 gamma when opening in Photoshop.
                                                                  For the 3rd (32 bit linear)  I sort out the color in ACR - which now involves a round trip via Lightroom as a 32 bit TIFF - but that is a different story.

                                                                   

                                                                  Dave

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                                                                  • 32. Re: The photo's color is different in Photoshop!!
                                                                    D Fosse Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                                    Right, Dave. You illustrate the point I'm getting at:

                                                                     

                                                                    There is no problem working with non-color managed software as long as you understand what's happening and why it's happening.

                                                                     

                                                                    The problems start when you don't; because that's when you start looking for "solutions" to behavior that is in fact perfectly normal and expected. And that quickly gets you into real problems, of the kind you can't easily back out from.

                                                                     

                                                                    This is just the way it is - accept that and work with it.

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                                                                    • 33. Re: The photo's color is different in Photoshop!!
                                                                      PECourtejoie Adobe Community Professional

                                                                      Stunning education work you guys are doing, Dag and Dave!

                                                                      I still love to refer to Ian Lyon's Computer Darkroom as well, to set up color management in Ps: http://www.computer-darkroom.com/blog/2018/04/01/color-management-in-photoshop-cc-2018/

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                                                                      • 34. Re: The photo's color is different in Photoshop!!
                                                                        D Fosse Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                                        Thank you, Pierre-Etienne. For my part, it mostly consists of telling people, "slow down, relax. This isn't as complicated as you think".

                                                                         

                                                                        Color management has acquired a reputation for being difficult, which becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy and a problem in itself. Because it makes people look for complex solutions when it's actually right in front of their noses. The most common action required in color management is "do nothing". It just works, let it.

                                                                         

                                                                        It's true that the mathematics behind it are incredibly complex. I admire the people who actually code the stuff, like our own Noel Carboni with his plugins.

                                                                         

                                                                        But that just means someone else has done the hard work so that you don't have to. In use it's very simple and straightforward.

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                                                                        • 35. Re: The photo's color is different in Photoshop!!
                                                                          davescm Adobe Community Professional

                                                                          Cheers Pierre-Etienne

                                                                          That is a good link for explanations.

                                                                          One important thing that I did not see mentioned in the article but Dag mentioned it earlier in this thread is that an ICC profile (be it for a monitor or a printer) is only valid as long as the device is set up exactly the same way as it was when profiled. So, on a monitor, changing the brightness/contrast etc immediately makes the profile invalid.  On a printer changing the paper type, ink type etc does the same.

                                                                           

                                                                          Dave

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                                                                          • 36. Re: The photo's color is different in Photoshop!!
                                                                            Zaffer Level 1

                                                                            Quote from Dave:

                                                                            Calibrate my monitor as close as possible to sRGB standards
                                                                            2. Profile the monitor and set that profile in the operating system so that it is used by Photoshop

                                                                            3. Export images from Photoshop to Blender converted to sRGB (I also embed the profile but it will be ignored)

                                                                            4. I set Blender display to sRGB

                                                                            5. If using the images on planes in Blender, I use an emmision shader with strength value of 1.0    If using them on lit textures then colour depends on the lighting.   For non image data - e.g. roughness maps etc I set the nodes to non color data.

                                                                            Thanks Dave!  I finally figured it out.  I didn't understand the operating system > Photoshop connection.  I didn't realize that I needed to set a color profile for my monitor in Windows 10 operating system that Photoshop would then utilize, but Blender would not.  So, I set the Windows 10 color profile to sRGB so Photoshop would use that, and Blender is set to sRBG by default, so now everything matches.  Thanks!

                                                                            Zaffer

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