16 Replies Latest reply on Jul 15, 2018 11:55 AM by ssprengel

    Camera raw plugin only with Bridge or Lightroom (without Photoshop CS)

    petr66machacek Level 1

      I have a question. I used to use Adobe Bridge and Camera Raw plugin till now. These were the only 2 products I need to work with my photos. After reinstalation of my PC I lost the old licenses and I need to buy some new ones. I would like to ask you is there any possibility of Adobe Bridge modul and Camera Raw plugin combination only without Lightroom or Photoshop CS? Or, alternatively, is it possible to buy only Lighthroom and use the Bridge and Camera Raw plugin this way? I mean will the Camera Raw plugin work with the Lightroom only without Photoshop CS? My idea is to open the photos in Bridge, pick up the snap and by double click open it in Camera Raw plugin. That´s the way I´ve used it till now. Thanks for your reply.

        • 1. Re: Camera raw plugin only with Bridge or Lightroom (without Photoshop CS)
          ssprengel Adobe Community Professional & MVP

          In a word, No, to both your scenarios.

           

          But before continuing, have you checked for your serial numbers on www.adobe.com / login / Manage account / password / Plans and Products (up top) / View your products?

           

          Assuming they're not listed, back to your question:

           

          Bridge and the ACR plug-in are parts of Photoshop (and maybe video processing software, not sure), but not a standalone product, and Lightroom contains the functionality of Bridge and ACR within itself, in that once you've imported photos (told LR where the photos are) LR will show you thumbnails and let you make the same adjustments you can make in ACR.  Of course Importing is a separate precursor step to working on the photos, unlike Bridge that opens on a Window Explorer or Mac Finder folder of images without importing.

           

          Depending on what you do in Bridge/ACR perhaps Elements would be ok for you, but it's limited to the first three tabs in ACR:  Basic Toning, Detail (Sharpening, Noise-reduction) and Camera Calibration (Process Version and Camera Profile).

          The cheapest way to get the current version of LR+PS is a $120/yr subscription billed at $10/month.  If you cancel, early you owe half the remaining balance as penalty:

          Compare plans | Adobe Creative Cloud Photography plan

           

          You can subscribe to PS by itself for $20/mo.  Adobe assumes PS-only people are highly paid graphic artists working for some company who can afford to pay for software for it's employees, whereas LR+PS people are barely-getting-by photographers working for themselves, who need a break.

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          • 2. Re: Camera raw plugin only with Bridge or Lightroom (without Photoshop CS)
            petr66machacek Level 1

            Hi ssprengel,

             

            Thanks for your reply. This is for the first time somebody clearly explaines to me what the ACR is a part of .

            Now I understand, the LR is the right way for me.

             

            Only 2 notices:

             

            1) Is it possible to use the Bridge module together with LR? Is it free? Yes of course, I understand the LR has the same funcionality as Bridge, but my habit...

            2) I asked my reseller about limitation for only the first 3 ACR tabs accesible in LR. He told me there is no limitation and there is the full support for all ACR funcionality in LR. We talk about unlimited time license, not 1 year license rental. Is it true?

             

            Many thanks for your reply.

            Petr

            • 3. Re: Camera raw plugin only with Bridge or Lightroom (without Photoshop CS)
              ssprengel Adobe Community Professional & MVP

              1) You can subscribe to the LR+PS Photography Plan and just use PS/Bridge/ACR and not touch LR if you want.  I think most photographers use LR mostly and then use PS here and there for extra work that LR cannot do.

               

              2) There are three tabs in ELEMENTS' ACR plug-in.  LR has full functionality.  The unlimited time LR is LR 6 which is not being updated anymore, and does not come with PS/Bridge/ACR.  The current version of LR (Classic CC) is 7.4 and the current version of PS is 19.something.  Adobe has 7-day trials of their software although if it's more than one item you're getting, together, like LR+PS then the clock starts for both of them the minute you login when installing the first one, I think.

              • 4. Re: Camera raw plugin only with Bridge or Lightroom (without Photoshop CS)
                JimHess Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                I don't think trying to just use Bridge with Lightroom would be very productive. There isn't a "pathway" to move from Bridge to Lightroom, and since Lightroom stores all its work in the catalog changes would not be reflected in the previews displayed in Bridge. I don't see any benefit of trying to use those two programs together. A more productive approach would be to simply use the library module in Lightroom, in my opinion.

                • 5. Re: Camera raw plugin only with Bridge or Lightroom (without Photoshop CS)
                  deejjjaaaa Level 2

                  > Bridge and the ACR plug-in are parts of Photoshop (and maybe video processing software, not sure), but not a standalone product

                  not true... Bridge and ACR are standalone products and technically you can use ACR with only Bridge installed :-)

                   

                  the mere fact that ACR code includes checks that either Bridge or PS are present (and that creates some impression that it is not a genuine standalone product) does not mean that PS has to be installed... if you don't believe me - temporarily rename your PS folders and you will see that Bridge starts ACR just fine... be a little more enterprising, eh ?

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                  • 6. Re: Camera raw plugin only with Bridge or Lightroom (without Photoshop CS)
                    ssprengel Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                    Are you saying the OP can legally install a trial of PS on a new computer, have that trial expire, and delete the PS folders and never pay anything and have Bridge and ACR work on that computer?  That's the context of the discussion, how to get the two products on a new computer.  My answer is that they are part of the licensed PS install.

                    • 7. Re: Camera raw plugin only with Bridge or Lightroom (without Photoshop CS)
                      deejjjaaaa Level 2

                      > My answer is that __they__ are part of the licensed PS install.

                       

                      geez, dear, you even don't know the basics = Adobe bridge not included with photoshop?

                       

                      You don't need a license photoshop install for Bridge ... Bridge is a free product (registration req'd).

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                      • 8. Re: Camera raw plugin only with Bridge or Lightroom (without Photoshop CS)
                        Richard Southworth Level 3

                        I have Bridge installed, as a free download, on a spare computer with no other Adobe product.  One can "see" raw images as Bridge previews, fully rendered, but one can't open ACR.  It requires a qualifying product to run ACR.

                         

                        It's interesting, in that all of the camera profiles are present, but it's only good as a browser.  I have it set up to deliver images to other photo editing programs, but in this case it delivers the original raw file, not a rendered copy.  As far as I can tell Adobe has "locked" it up so it will function only as a browser.

                         

                        Richard Southworth

                        • 9. Re: Camera raw plugin only with Bridge or Lightroom (without Photoshop CS)
                          deejjjaaaa Level 2

                          > It requires a qualifying product to run ACR.

                          it requires it (qualifying product - PS) to be run just once AFAIK... whether it technically continues to require that all the time is subject to a test (somebody with a spare time welcome to try - CC might act diffrently from pre CC incarnations)... the technical point is ACR and Bridge (in terms of launching ACR) are really standalone products whose functionality is simply crippled by some checks but otherwise neither ACR nor Bridge require any PS binaries to be present to work...

                          • 10. Re: Camera raw plugin only with Bridge or Lightroom (without Photoshop CS)
                            Richard Southworth Level 3

                            The bare-bones ACR raw conversion is apparently present, in order to generate Bridge previews, but I see no way to invoke any of the other ACR functionality.  It may well require other PS binaries to do real work..

                             

                            Richard Southworth

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                            • 11. Re: Camera raw plugin only with Bridge or Lightroom (without Photoshop CS)
                              petr66mach

                              Hi Guys,

                              Thx for all your replies. I see the problem isn´t really simple and clear for many of us :-)

                              But i agree with those of you who wrote the ACR doesn´t work properly without PS or LR installed. I´ve got the same experience as

                              That´s why I wrote this question and you confirmed me there is no other way.

                               

                              Many thanks to all of you :-)

                              Petr

                              • 12. Re: Camera raw plugin only with Bridge or Lightroom (without Photoshop CS)
                                deejjjaaaa Level 2

                                >  It may well require other PS binaries to do real work..

                                 

                                it does not - as I noted you can delete PS and ACR will work fully including saving JPG/TIFF/DNG files... I digged into my old notes and it is a matter to run ACR once with PS to get it "activated" for Bridge (at least it used to be), then ACR + Bridge will live happily ever after w/o PS... no PS binaries are necessary for ACR to work (do not click "OPEN" button - save instead)

                                • 13. Re: Camera raw plugin only with Bridge or Lightroom (without Photoshop CS)
                                  Richard Southworth Level 3

                                  In the interests of science I performed a (reasonably) careful experiment on my spare pc, which had only Bridge.

                                   

                                  1. Upgraded Bridge and Camera Raw on the spare pc to bring up to current level.  Tried to invoke CR, got the usual msg about not having started a qualifying product.

                                  2. Loaded up Photoshop CC on spare pc.  Without invoking PS tried Bridge/CR again, no go.

                                  3. Fired up Photoshop, since I was already running it on my desktop and laptop it said no unless I shut down one of the other licenses.  I got out and tried Bridge/CR again, still no go.

                                  4. Transferred my laptop license to the spare pc version of PS, now Bridge/CR works on the spare pc.  Bridge/CR no longer operates on the laptop.

                                  5. Switched license back to laptop, PS disabled on spare pc, and Bridge/CR no longer works (same old message about qualifying product).  Thankfully now fully operational on laptop.

                                   

                                  So what can we conclude?  Not too much, other than Adobe has "tightened" up the process, i.e. just signing out on a system kills Bridge/CR functionality.  And can't really conclude much about where binaries are located.  Again, this was all done using latest version of CC.

                                   

                                  Richard Southworth

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                                  • 14. Re: Camera raw plugin only with Bridge or Lightroom (without Photoshop CS)
                                    JimHess Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                    It appears that somewhere along the line you have performed a hack that is somewhat of an anomaly. It would be interesting to see if you can replicate it again on another computer.

                                    • 15. Re: Camera raw plugin only with Bridge or Lightroom (without Photoshop CS)
                                      petr66machacek Level 1

                                      Richard thank you very much for your very usefull experiment.

                                       

                                      I have one more question. Is the LR also the "qualifying product" for CR invoking from Bridge or isn´t?

                                       

                                      I´d installed the LR 6.7 trial version and tried to invoke CR from Bridge by double click on photo in Bridge.

                                      "Not having started a qualifying product" message appeared.

                                      Could it be because of the trial LR version or LR isn´t the "qualifying product?

                                      I´m going to to buy the LR licens, but I would like to know it before.

                                      Thx.

                                      • 16. Re: Camera raw plugin only with Bridge or Lightroom (without Photoshop CS)
                                        ssprengel Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                        LR is it's own thing.  Photoshop or Premier or maybe Illustrator would be a qualifying product.