13 Replies Latest reply on Jan 29, 2008 3:29 PM by Newsgroup_User

    Knife Tool Oddities

    d23535
      Hello all. I am having two problems with the Knife Tool in Fireworks.

      I draw a "donut" using the rectangle tool (the "doughnut" autoshape). This autoshape is a Vector graphic, yet I cannot select the knife tool to slice it up. I know this is how it is, but is there any way around this? Otherwise I have to make donuts with circles and smaller circles and punching and all that.

      Now the real problem: I have a circle made with the Circle tool and I cut it in two with the knife tool. Now I have two halves of a circle, yet when I cut them in two again with the knife tool, weird things happen. I know this is because they are like Cs and not like Ds (i.e., they're missing the path thinger in the middle). How do I fix that? I wish to make a pizza (more or less).

      (The bullets do not work correctly in this posting forum, or at least here in the preview. Sorry. I thought Adobe might use some Adobe technology, like the RichTextArea component in Flex...)


      Thanks to everyone in advance for your help!

      Best,
      Daniel
        • 1. Re: Knife Tool Oddities
          d23535 Level 1
          wow, that was weird. Here is the original post

          Hello all. I am having two problems with the Knife Tool in Fireworks.

          I draw a "donut" using the rectangle tool (the "doughnut" autoshape). This autoshape is a Vector graphic, yet I cannot select the knife tool to slice it up. I know this is how it is, but is there any way around this? Otherwise I have to make donuts with circles and smaller circles and punching and all that.
          Now the real problem: I have a circle made with the Circle tool and I cut it in two with the knife tool. Now I have two halves of a circle, yet when I cut them in two again with the knife tool, weird things happen. I know this is because they are like Cs and not like Ds (i.e., they're missing the path thinger in the middle). How do I fix that? I wish to make a pizza (more or less).
          (The bullets do not work correctly in this posting forum, or at least here in the preview. Sorry. I thought Adobe might use some Adobe technology, like the RichTextArea component in Flex...)

          Thanks to everyone in advance for your help!

          Best,
          Daniel
          • 2. Re: Knife Tool Oddities
            Level 7
            d23535 wrote:
            > wow, that was weird. Here is the original post
            >
            > Hello all. I am having two problems with the Knife Tool in Fireworks.
            >
            > I draw a "donut" using the rectangle tool (the "doughnut"
            > autoshape). This autoshape is a Vector graphic, yet I cannot select the knife
            > tool to slice it up. I know this is how it is, but is there any way around
            > this? Otherwise I have to make donuts with circles and smaller circles and
            > punching and all that.
            > Now the real problem: I have a circle made with the Circle
            > tool and I cut it in two with the knife tool. Now I have two halves of a
            > circle, yet when I cut them in two again with the knife tool, weird things
            > happen. I know this is because they are like Cs and not like Ds (i.e., they're
            > missing the path thinger in the middle). How do I fix that? I wish to make a
            > pizza (more or less).
            > (The bullets do not work correctly in this posting forum, or
            > at least here in the preview. Sorry. I thought Adobe might use some Adobe
            > technology, like the RichTextArea component in Flex...)
            >
            > Thanks to everyone in advance for your help!
            >
            > Best,
            > Daniel
            >
            Hello:

            point 1 - The Donut is an autoshape, so it must be ungrouped before the
            knife tool is accessible

            point 2 - A much easier way to do this would be to use the Pie shape.
            Option/Alt drag to segment the "pie. When you have all the pieces you
            want, ungroup the shape and you will have ready made pie pieces.

            HTH

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            • 3. Re: Knife Tool Oddities
              d23535 Level 1
              So what I came up with in the 10 minutes since I posted this was

              1) Use the redraw path tool to add the missing piece to the half of the pie.
              2) Do a modify > combine paths > union to get the thing to be one thing
              3) Then use the knife tool.

              This seems to work, but there must be an easier way to do 1 and 2, since it's just closing up a cut piece... thanks!
              • 4. Re: Knife Tool Oddities
                Level 7
                Do you mean close paths?

                After the knife has been applied the cut sections really are open paths.

                The Paths panel allows a way to close paths if that is helpful in what
                you are trying to do.



                d23535 wrote:
                > So what I came up with in the 10 minutes since I posted this was
                >
                > 1) Use the redraw path tool to add the missing piece to the half of the pie.
                > 2) Do a modify > combine paths > union to get the thing to be one thing
                > 3) Then use the knife tool.
                >
                > This seems to work, but there must be an easier way to do 1 and 2, since it's
                > just closing up a cut piece... thanks!
                >
                • 5. Re: Knife Tool Oddities
                  d23535 Level 1
                  Thanks Jim!

                  1) Re: ungrouping, yes, that works... not that I have the pie shape I'm beginning to understand how to do a donut pie.
                  2) The pie shape IS a much better way to do it.

                  Thanks again, your answers were spot on.

                  Best,
                  Daniel
                  • 6. Re: Knife Tool Oddities
                    d23535 Level 1
                    Thanks Deebs, I never even noticed the Paths panel because it's in "others." Anyway, it will let me do a "join paths" on my pie piece with basically completes the shape for me.

                    In this case the Pie tool is better, but in general it's great to know how to work with paths.

                    Thanks to everyone for your help! Now if only my phone company here in Argentina were this responsive...
                    • 7. Re: Knife Tool Oddities
                      Level 7
                      But you have a beautiful climate and people too? Yes?

                      d23535 wrote:
                      > Thanks Deebs, I never even noticed the Paths panel because it's in "others."
                      > Anyway, it will let me do a "join paths" on my pie piece with basically
                      > completes the shape for me.
                      >
                      > In this case the Pie tool is better, but in general it's great to know how to
                      > work with paths.
                      >
                      > Thanks to everyone for your help! Now if only my phone company here in
                      > Argentina were this responsive...
                      >
                      • 8. Re: Knife Tool Oddities
                        Level 7
                        d23535 wrote:
                        > Thanks Jim!
                        >
                        > 1) Re: ungrouping, yes, that works... not that I have the pie shape I'm
                        > beginning to understand how to do a donut pie.
                        > 2) The pie shape IS a much better way to do it.
                        >
                        > Thanks again, your answers were spot on.
                        >
                        > Best,
                        > Daniel
                        >

                        You're very welcome. :-)

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                        • 9. Re: Knife Tool Oddities
                          d23535 Level 1
                          Hey deebs, yes, beautiful people :) but the climate is not the best... well, right now it is, it's summer and it's been chilling off a bit, so I can't complain.

                          Jim checked out your photos and they are killer!

                          Okay, see you all on the next question! Thanks again.
                          • 10. Re: Knife Tool Oddities
                            heathrowe Most Valuable Participant
                            could be better than the -25 we had here yesturday in Easter Canada (-40 a little further north). :)

                            h
                            • 11. Re: Knife Tool Oddities
                              Level 7
                              heathrowe wrote:
                              > could be better than the -25 we had here yesturday in Easter Canada (-40 a little further north). :)
                              >
                              > h
                              I won't complain about my -11 in Toronto then . . . ;-)

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                              • 12. Re: Knife Tool Oddities
                                heathrowe Most Valuable Participant
                                I hate to admit it Jim, but we get use to it :)
                                h
                                • 13. Re: Knife Tool Oddities
                                  Level 7
                                  Well in the UK a general greyness that smudges autumn and spring into a
                                  non-entity winter is a bit worrying (global warming and all that).

                                  I really miss the snow, really really ...

                                  Jim Babbage .:CMX:. & .:Adobe Community Expert:. wrote:
                                  > heathrowe wrote:
                                  >> could be better than the -25 we had here yesturday in Easter Canada
                                  >> (-40 a little further north). :)
                                  >>
                                  >> h
                                  > I won't complain about my -11 in Toronto then . . . ;-)
                                  >