39 Replies Latest reply on Jan 12, 2019 10:10 AM by dtlnew

    Bridge CPU Usage

    stephenv70437356 Level 1

      Hi,

       

      I am wondering how I get Bridge to use the GPU more, rather than having it hammer my CPU.  At the moment, Bridge is causing my CPU to run at 100% for hours on end, but uses very little GPU resources.  I've set the Hardware Accelerator in Bridge and in Photoshop, but neither use the GPU as much as Google Chrome does.  Any suggestions?

       

      My setup is as follows:

       

      Gigabyte H370 Aorus Gaming 3 motherboard

      Intel Core i7-8700K CPU watercooled

      64 GB DDR4 2333mhz RAM

      Galax GTX1070 8Gb DDR5 RAM GPU air cooled

      Boot Drive 500GB mSATA SSD

      OS is Windows 10 x64 Pro

      Bridge CC2019 with RAW Cache on a separate WD HDD

       

      Here's a screen shot to show what's going on.

       

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        • 1. Re: Bridge CPU Usage
          jbm007 Adobe Community Professional

          Have noted the same thing. Its a obvious bug.

           

          Seems to only happen when you have Bridge and PS open at the same time.

          • 2. Re: Bridge CPU Usage
            stephenv70437356 Level 1

            It happens even when Photoshop is not open, on my machine.  I also can't edit photos opened from within Bridge unless I run them through an existing action.  I can however edit when I open them using Photoshop.  None of the menu commands are available in Photoshop for images opened via Bridge.  CC was a clean install on a new computer.

            • 3. Re: Bridge CPU Usage
              Brainbug Level 1

              I noticed the same behaviour today. CPU Load at 80%-100% when bridge is open. Doesn't happen with older versions of bridge.

              • 4. Re: Bridge CPU Usage
                stephenv70437356 Level 1

                And now Bridge doesn't even appear in the Windows Task Manager even though it is clearly running on screen.  Who programmed this POS?

                 

                Bridge-1.jpg

                • 5. Re: Bridge CPU Usage
                  jbm007 Adobe Community Professional

                  Thats a OS issue not a Bridge issue. And yes I have seen that happen as well.

                  • 6. Re: Bridge CPU Usage
                    Brainbug Level 1

                    I did some more testing on the cpu load issue with bridge. I reinstalled the 2018 Version again. It seems, that Bridge uses the CPU cores for the creation of Thumbnail-Previews. I opened a folder containing ca. 6000 Images and the cpu load immediately went up to 99%-100% on ALL cores. I don't understand why adobe does not use the GPU for tasks like this. Creating this kind of load seems not be optimized at all.

                     

                    Bridge has never been a very ressource friendly program in the first place. I still have the impression, that the whole adobe app range has become more and more sloppy since they discovered the generation instagram as their main customer base, neglecting the needs of power users (e.g. 32-bit workflow is still a mess..., most of the filters have never been updated since the stone age, etc)

                     

                    Anyway. I would appreciate a more balanced solution for this kind of task. No other image-organizer that I tested (Thumbs Plus, Xnview, XnviewMP, Faststone, Irfanview, Zoomviewer) uses this amount of ressources. Even Bridge Version CS6 handles the same folder with a cpu load of around 20%-30% (having purged the cache for all of the 6000 images and letting Bridge CS6 recreate all previews).

                    • 7. Re: Bridge CPU Usage
                      stephenv70437356 Level 1

                      I'm beginning to feel like I'm a beta-tester with CC2019.  Well, I guess we better get used to it.  Adobe are unlikely to do anything to change it.  Oh, by the way I even got a 100% usage of the RAM yesterday, and I have 64GB installed.

                      • 8. Re: Bridge CPU Usage
                        jbm007 Adobe Community Professional

                        I solved that problem by putting no more then 1000 images in a folder.

                         

                        Its only going to get worse and camera file sizes keep increasing

                        • 9. Re: Bridge CPU Usage
                          Brainbug Level 1

                          jbm007  wrote

                           

                          I solved that problem by putting no more then 1000 images in a folder.

                           

                          Its only going to get worse and camera file sizes keep increasing

                          This is more a workaround than a solution:)

                           

                          I tested the 2017 Version of Bridge and the CPU Load does not go over 10% even with folders containing thousands of images. This screenshot was taken while Bridge is calculating the thumbnails for the recursive display of a whole file structure containing 13.154 images. The CPU Load is nothing compared to the usage of the recent iterations of the program.

                           

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                          This is clearly a problem on adobe's side and has to be fixed. An image organizer should under no circumstances get in the way of other programs running at the same time.

                           

                          In the meantime I will "solve the problem" by not using bridge after Version 2017 anymore. Since bridge kept reducing features with every iteration instead of adding usability, this is not that big a deal. It's nevertheless annoying, that these things keep popping up. I'm still in the process of typing down all the bugs and irritations of the latest version of Photoshop. I also switched back to the 2018 version since the new "update" is a pain in the butt.

                          • 10. Re: Bridge CPU Usage
                            Brainbug Level 1

                            There has been a small update, bringing bridge to 9.0.1.216 that seems to have fixed the issue with high cpu load.

                             

                            I tested this  as before, by having bridge create more than 5000 thumbnails.

                             

                            CPU load did not rise over 30% during the whole process. CPU temperature was nowhere near as high as before.

                             

                            So adobe seems to have taken action here.

                             

                            I wish they would address all the other annoyances as well, but hey, better than nothing:)

                            • 11. Re: Bridge CPU Usage
                              stephenv70437356 Level 1

                              Yes, I noticed that myself yesterday.  Happy days....

                              • 12. Re: Bridge CPU Usage
                                stephenv70437356 Level 1

                                Actually the problem is still there.  I was looking at a folder containing 30,000 RAW files and about 30 PSD files, and it's hammering the CPU again.  Using 15GB of RAM and bugger-all GPU.

                                • 13. Re: Bridge CPU Usage
                                  jbm007 Adobe Community Professional

                                  Why on earth do you have 30,000 raw files in one folder?

                                   

                                  Try breaking them up into smaller amounts.

                                   

                                  Keep it around 5000 files in each folder.

                                   

                                  That's to many for any system.

                                   

                                  If you tried to delete that many files your system would lock up.

                                  • 14. Re: Bridge CPU Usage
                                    stephenv70437356 Level 1

                                    It doesn't matter how many are in one folder.  Bridge has a filter system designed to search/filter multiple folders at once.  If I want to search a whole year's RAW images from one sport, then it should be able to do it.  I'm not a hobbyist.  I'm a working photographer and I take many. many thousands of RAW images every year.  Adobe pitches itself to professionals.  Their software should cater to volume work.

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                                    • 15. Re: Bridge CPU Usage
                                      stephenv70437356 Level 1

                                      Oh, and it wasn't a problem with CC2018 either....

                                      • 16. Re: Bridge CPU Usage
                                        jbm007 Adobe Community Professional

                                        It was offered as a suggestion.

                                         

                                        Go back to 2018 until the figure out the issue then.

                                        • 17. Re: Bridge CPU Usage
                                          Brainbug Level 1

                                          stephenv70437356  wrote

                                           

                                          It doesn't matter how many are in one folder.  Bridge has a filter system designed to search/filter multiple folders at once.  If I want to search a whole year's RAW images from one sport, then it should be able to do it.  I'm not a hobbyist.  I'm a working photographer and I take many. many thousands of RAW images every year.  Adobe pitches itself to professionals.  Their software should cater to volume work.

                                          I agree. I work in visualization inside a big company. We have three photographers in our team and every time they get out to shoot, itˋs hundreds of raws and jpg‘s to sort and go through.

                                           

                                          Bridge has never been the first choice for me but sadly company regulations make us stick to it. A software that is meant to be used in a high performance environment has to be able to handle this kind of workload. And there is NO reason, that an image viewer/organizer should put this much stress on a cpu, no matter the deed.

                                           

                                          Of course all the files get sorted into seperate folders, but sometimes it‘s necessary to use the option in bridge to show all files from all subfolders, which can easily result in a filelist containing a ridiculous amount of images.

                                           

                                          Bridge has some nice features, like creating thumbnails for *.exr‘s, being able to handle cmyk files nicely and making use of a powerful renaming tool. On the other hand it is still slow, creates an absurd amount of temporary files and is up until this day not able to let you rename your saved favourites (makes me wanna cry out just thinking about it).

                                           

                                          So it‘s a mixed bag. Like all the other adobe apps since the inception of the subscription model, i am under the impression, that there is a stronger focus on improvements for the casual workflow and a severe lack of interest to keep the app range maintained for high end users.

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                                          • 18. Re: Bridge CPU Usage
                                            stephenv70437356 Level 1

                                            This a folder with under 5000 images.  Same problem.  Really, the issue is why with cc2019 all of a sudden is this happening?  Blaming it on a random number of images in a single folder is just not addressing the problem.Bridge_1.jpg

                                            • 19. Re: Bridge CPU Usage
                                              jbm007 Adobe Community Professional

                                              They must of changed the way they cache files.

                                               

                                              Something obviously changed.

                                               

                                              Cutting it down to 5000 files worked for me.

                                               

                                              Obviously it did not help you.

                                               

                                              I don't work for Adobe so I don't drink the Kool aid.

                                               

                                              J

                                              • 20. Re: Bridge CPU Usage
                                                stephenv70437356 Level 1

                                                Okay, perhaps I should outline how I go about using Bridge to give readers/commenters some background info.

                                                 

                                                Amongst other events, I shoot motocross meetings.  Over two days I might use three different cameras, and shoot up to 12,000 RAW images.  I use Bridge to import the photos from the cards to the desktop computer, and yes, into a single directory location.  I need those images to be read by Bridge and sorted into chronological order, so that I can rename them all.  Once that is done, I use Photo Mechanic to tag the images with all of my info including details of class, race number, etc.  PM is much faster for this task than Bridge.

                                                 

                                                I then use Bridge's full screen view mode to go through every image to cull the rubbish and label/rate the best images.

                                                 

                                                Once all of that is done, I open them all in ACR, yes ACR will open them all at once and will apply all the recipe changes at once for that many RAW files.  Once all that is done, I run all the RAW files through Photoshop Actions to produce small JPEG images that I then group into separate directories for uploading into galleries on my websites.

                                                 

                                                Under CC2018, I had to make sure that ALL images had been processed in the Bridge Cache before running the PS Actions or I got errors in the cropping.  Bridge CC2019 no longer shows the progress in generating the cache, so I have to monitor the Windows Task Manager to see when activity ceases in Bridge (Why Adobe?).

                                                 

                                                I do my backups from within Bridge too.  By that I mean, I copy my RAW files to another location as a back-up.

                                                 

                                                Besides motocross, I also shoot dance events which go for ten days at a time, during which I might take 20,000 images of on-stage performances, usually with two cameras.  Those I break down into separate directories for each day.  I have to shoot those in RAW because the on-stage lighting may vary by two or three stops both across the stage as well as front to back.  They also use a mix of tungsten and LED lighting, so white balance changes front to back as well.  Auto or semi-auto settings just don't cut it for these, so I set them manually and then adjust in post.

                                                 

                                                Bridge has always been my preferred program.  I tried Lightroom but hated it.  I'd really like to stay with Bridge.  The changes in CC2019 just baffle me.  Why Adobe?

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                                                • 21. Re: Bridge CPU Usage
                                                  stephenv70437356 Level 1

                                                  Just getting another Bridge CC2019 update right now.  I'll see if this one fixes the issue.

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                                                  • 22. Re: Bridge CPU Usage
                                                    stephenv70437356 Level 1

                                                    No, version 9.0.2.219 x64 doesn't fix the issue either.

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                                                    • 23. Re: Bridge CPU Usage
                                                      Lumigraphics Adobe Community Professional

                                                      You will have a TERRIBLE time with 30,000 RAW files in one folder. I was using large folders with ~13,000 JPEG files and it was almost unusable.

                                                       

                                                      Like it or not, Bridge can't handle that kind of setup. You need to break it down into smaller folders.

                                                      • 24. Re: Bridge CPU Usage
                                                        Brainbug Level 1

                                                        Lumigraphics  wrote

                                                         

                                                        You will have a TERRIBLE time with 30,000 RAW files in one folder. I was using large folders with ~13,000 JPEG files and it was almost unusable.

                                                         

                                                        Like it or not, Bridge can't handle that kind of setup. You need to break it down into smaller folders.

                                                        This is beside the point. The point is Bridge using 100% CPU Power. This is not supposed to happen. It should not happen with 10.000 files, or with 5000 files or even with 10 files, because it is a bug and needs to be fixed.

                                                         

                                                        I simply can not rely on a program, that is supposed to make thumbnails in the background, when anytime it creates previews makes my processor fan spin into overdrive to compensate for all the stress it puts on it.

                                                         

                                                        As stated before, I tested this with something around 5-6000 files in a folder, which is not much at all when it comes to photography.

                                                         

                                                        I purged the cached thumbnails from my test folder again and had thumbs plus and bridge recreate all the previews.

                                                         

                                                        While not at a 100% as before bridge puts significantly more stress on the cpu than thumbs. Thumbs uses around 5-10% while bridge needs 50-90%. So something has been done, but the general problem seems to remain.

                                                         

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                                                        • 25. Re: Bridge CPU Usage
                                                          stephenv70437356 Level 1

                                                          Lumigraphics,  Bridge CC2018 can and DID handle this.  Why not Bridge CC2019?  Thankfully you're not a programmer or we'd all still need our abacas.

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                                                          • 26. Re: Bridge CPU Usage
                                                            stephenv70437356 Level 1

                                                            Quite right Brainbug.  I think some here think that the more files you attempt to process, the more intensive the CPU must work.  It just runs longer, not harder.  Even smaller numbers of files, a few hundred gets the CPU at 100%, but it doesn't stay there as long because the processing finishes more quickly.  Try this too.  When your CPU is getting hammered at 100% creating a cache, attempt to rename the files.  You'll notice something curious.  The CPU load drops into the 20% range whilst the rename is occurring, then shoots back up to 100% when it returns to just creating previews/cache.  There's clearly something wrong with the coding.

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                                                            • 27. Re: Bridge CPU Usage
                                                              Lumigraphics Adobe Community Professional

                                                              Adobe changed the way Bridge generates its cache and thumbnails. That's one of the things they have listed as a benefit, better performance.

                                                               

                                                              Using the CPU is a good thing. You aren't "stressing" anything, modern processors will automatically throttle for heat load.

                                                               

                                                              BTW, this is not the "complain about things" forum, its the "I need help with a problem" forum. Not sure what to tell you other than this is how Bridge (and many other programs) work. They will use idle CPU time to get work done. That's not a bug. If Bridge didn't do this, people would complain about how slow it is.

                                                              • 28. Re: Bridge CPU Usage
                                                                stephenv70437356 Level 1

                                                                What rubbish Lumigraphics.  Using 100% of the CPU and stopping everything else from functioning is NOT a good thing.  How do you get an ACP badge, just from participating?  Mate you have no solutions to offer, just excuses and the suggestion to work around a dud system.  Adobe introduced this problem with CC2019.  They need to fix it.

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                                                                • 29. Re: Bridge CPU Usage
                                                                  Brainbug Level 1

                                                                  As a matter of fact, bridge is as slow as ever, so there is no benefit here just a waste of ressources.

                                                                   

                                                                  The time that bridge CC 2019 uses to create 13.000 thumbnails is exactly the same as with version CC 2017, but the older iteration uses only 6-10% CPU Power.

                                                                   

                                                                  Grapping 100% cpu power is simply not appropriate for an image viewer. In a 3D Render intensive environment, this might even be dangerous for the workflow.

                                                                   

                                                                  Any help on this matter is very much appreciated. Defending a defunct program is not part of any solution.

                                                                   

                                                                  If this behaviour is supposed to be like this, then bridge is no longer viable. Experience has shown though, that many things, adobe considered to be a "feature" had to be removed or reversed because they simply were broken....(they once removed the alpha channel from TGA files in Photoshop, and claimed that this was the way it had to be, making Photoshop 7 unusable for the company I worked back then. They put it back in with a patch, because people were "complaining":)

                                                                  • 30. Re: Bridge CPU Usage
                                                                    Lumigraphics Adobe Community Professional

                                                                    Being abusive is not helpful. I've used Bridge since the very beginning and use it daily in a production workflow. I'm well aware of the differences between versions.

                                                                     

                                                                    You can reinstall an older version from the CC App if you feel that is a solution.

                                                                    • 31. Re: Bridge CPU Usage
                                                                      stephenv70437356 Level 1

                                                                      It seems there's been precious little that HAS BEEN helpful here, apart from Brainbug's contribution.  Let's be clear here.  I'm not looking for a work-around.  I can figure those out myself thanks.  I'm looking for working software from a company that seems to have a real problem with catering to customers.  I resisted the contribution model after I'd paid for upgrades all the way from Photoshop 6 nearly 20 years ago.  Eventually I had to go to CC.  Then when Updates to CC2019 appeared on CC, I installed those only to be told by Adobe that I would have to upgrade from the perfectly good Windows 7 to Windows 10.  I did that, and now I find that CC2019, or the Bridge component anyway, is not fit for purpose.  Then all I get from those around here with their pretty ACP badges is that I need to make changes to a workflow I've been using since CS3 and that there is nothing wrong with CC2019.  I'm paying for up-to-date working software from Adobe, and you're telling to go back to an earlier version?

                                                                       

                                                                      Really?

                                                                       

                                                                      Adobe should look at how quickly a software vendor can go backwards into oblivion when customers vote with their feet.  Look up WordPerfect and Lotus1-2-3, or Netscape.

                                                                      • 32. Re: Bridge CPU Usage
                                                                        Lumigraphics Adobe Community Professional

                                                                        We are not Adobe employees, we are volunteers who are here to offer help and ideas. What do you want us to do? If the previous version doesn't have what you think is a problem, then reinstall that.

                                                                         

                                                                        I still don't understand why your workflow is impacted but those are the alternatives.

                                                                        • 33. Re: Bridge CPU Usage
                                                                          stephenv70437356 Level 1

                                                                          What do I want you to do?  Stop throwing mud in the water.  If you don't know the answer, don't make one up.  Do what I do.  If you don't have an answer, then don't comment.  As I said, that is just throwing more mud in the water.

                                                                          • 34. Re: Bridge CPU Usage
                                                                            dtlnew Level 1

                                                                            I have Adobe Bridge 9.0.2.219 X64 on Windows and it just about locks up my computer when generating previews on a large folder of images.  E.g., a lake shoot with 1790 images. CPU usage is absurdly high; I can barely control the mouse. It did not do this with previous version.  I'm going back to an old version pending some sort of fix 8-(

                                                                             

                                                                            -Dick Locke

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                                                                            • 35. Re: Bridge CPU Usage
                                                                              stephenv70437356 Level 1

                                                                              I have a folder with 15,000 PSD files in it.  Bridge does not go over about 30% CPU usage generating previews from these very large files.  The problem only occurs with RAW files on my computer.Adobe.jpg

                                                                              • 36. Re: Bridge CPU Usage
                                                                                Stephen_A_Marsh Adobe Community Professional

                                                                                I would suggest taking the discussion to the feedback website:

                                                                                 

                                                                                Bridge | Photoshop Family Customer Community

                                                                                • 37. Re: Bridge CPU Usage
                                                                                  stephenv70437356 Level 1

                                                                                  I've reverted to CC2018.  Bridge is happily rendering full sized previews for nearly 200,000 RAW files from my 7DMkII.  It is not taxing the computer at all, and it is a hell of a lot quicker than cc2019.  It hasn't crashed yet either.  About time Adobe fixed their crappy programming job.

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                                                                                  • 38. Re: Bridge CPU Usage
                                                                                    Brainbug Level 1

                                                                                    I am considering going back to CS6 altogether. This whole marketing ruled subscription nightmare is not working for me at all. The overall "improvements" to the programs are a joke and no matter what buggy crap they release, i am forced to pay for it every month.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    I have set myself a deadline after which I will cancel my subscription and use my old cs6 suite again if quality and features do not improve significantly.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Until then I have to go back to the 2018 version as well.

                                                                                    • 39. Re: Bridge CPU Usage
                                                                                      dtlnew Level 1

                                                                                      Update - I went back to the 2018 version after experiencing significant performance issues with 2019.  However, I was seeing some issues with 2018 also.  I'm now back on 2019 trying to confirm how much worse it is...  Hoping there will be performance improvements in upcoming releases.