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    US Government Shutdown — Question

    Trevor.Dennis Adobe Community Professional

      Can someone from the US tell me if people affected by the US Government shutdown get paid retrospectively when a budget is finally agreed, or do they lose that income completely?   What about things like health insurance?  Does that remain valid throughout the shutdown?  I'm not asking about who is to blame.  I'm just wondering how those workers are going to manage if it is as drawn out as they are saying today.

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          jane-e Adobe Community Professional

          Trevor.Dennis  wrote

          I'm just wondering how those workers are going to manage if it is as drawn out as they are saying today.

          Hi Trevor,

           

          In the past, the people who work for the federal government have been paid in full and their health insurance remains in place. It is always uncertain, and they are always worried. They are more worried this round with an unstable POTUS at the helm.

           

          Here’s the answer to the question you didn’t ask.

           

          There are many people who lose income and will never be paid. That includes the people who work in restaurants because the feds aren’t going to work and aren’t eating out. It includes parking lot attendants. It includes a host of agencies who work with the federal government as contrators. There are more of these than you can imagine. It includes those of us who train in the D.C. area when the federal workers can’t take classes they have signed up and paid for. There are a lot of others in supportive jobs who will take a hit and many are living hand to mouth. All of the food trucks around The Mall where the Smithsonian is shuttered will lose business because the tourists aren’t there. The child care workers aren’t needed and don’t get paid. Taxi, Uber, and Lyft drivers will have fewer customers. And it goes on.

           

          They are saying this one will go on for months because POTUS has said he won’t back down. How many people have enough savings to last a couple of months with zero salary? From what I read, not many.

           

          ~ Jane

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            Peru Bob Adobe Community Professional & MVP

            They have always been paid retroactively, so those who are not considered essential get extra vacation days, while others like law enforcement, continue to work without getting paid until the mess is fixed.

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              Trevor.Dennis Adobe Community Professional

              Well that's at least partially reassuring, but not completely without casualties.

               

              Speaking of casualties, the Washington Post carried a story yesterday about there being three deaths in NPs since the shutdown, which seemed just a bit flawed to me.  Sure enough, in the comments one reader looked up statistics that showed that about 300 people die in NPs in an average year (this is from memory — the article has 1500 comments now, and I am not about to trawl through them all) so the rate of deaths in the Parks is actually down.   It also sounds like the circumstances of the three fatalities last week, would not have lead to different outcomes if the Rangers had been at work.   Now if someone was unlucky enough to be attacked by a bear, because there were no Rangers to close that particular trail, that might be different.

               

              I've visited several NPs, and loved them all [1].  The Grand Canyon probably had the greatest impact, because pictures just can't prepare you for the reality of your first steps to the rim.  I'll try and remember the others, but it was a long time ago.  Yellowstone, Arches, Yosemite, Badlands, Bryce, Zion, Death Valley, Everglades [2], Grand Teton [3]  Joshua Tree, and Mesa Verde.  Goodness, that's more than I realised, but nothing eastern.

               

              [1]  A wee proviso for Monument Valley.  We arrived a bit too late to get a tour, and had to carry on driving so would have missed it, so we took off around it in the hire car.  To be honest, I did kind of now why several Navajo were shaking fists at us, but we pleaded ignorance, did our tour, and carried on driving.  The locals did not look the hapiest of people.

               

              [2]  I'm thinking of Noel who has just moved from Florida to Minnesota to work at the Adobe Arden Hills location.  I hope his family are still speaking to him!   So at the Everglades it very pleasant, and the tourists all had shorts and a T-shirt, but the locals had long trousers and sweatshirts.  I guess it comes down to what you are used to.

               

              [3] Being into fast bikes and a bit of a speed demon, I thought I could get down the Jackson Hole Alpine Slide without using the brakes.  I went over the side at goodness knows what speed and got a god-awful gravel rash that hurt like blazes for the rest of the holiday. 

               

              My disaster was thirty to forty years ago, before they'd invented tiny video cameras, so this is not me.

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                John T Smith Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                I'm way too old to risk my body on something like that... but when I go on the Symphony of the Seas later this year I may go on the 10 story slide tube

                 

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                  Trevor.Dennis Adobe Community Professional

                  John, have you ever seen that thing where sheep and cattle farmers select animals by moving a gate?  I have it on good authority that SotS crew have a similar control on the slides that deposit troublesome customers into the ocean. 

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                    jane-e Adobe Community Professional

                    Trevor.Dennis  wrote

                     

                    Well that's at least partially reassuring, but not completely without casualties.

                     

                    Now if someone was unlucky enough to be attacked by a bear, because there were no Rangers to close that particular trail, that might be different.

                     

                     

                    Hi Trevor,

                     

                    This shutdown is more disturbing than past shutdowns. We have an unstable POTUS who is digging in his heels. It is already the longest shutdown. There is no guarantee federal workers will be paid, and many have already filed for unemployment. They pay it back if they do get paid, but it helps a bit in the meantime. It won’t be enough to pay their monthly bills for any extended time. POTUS has said this shutdown will last for months or years.

                     

                    The many contractors who make the government work are not getting paid and will never get paid. They never do. Plus the other support jobs, like taxi drivers and restaurant workers and people who teach classes to government workers (me).

                     

                    The food stamp program is one service that is in danger, meaning those who need it most will be hungry.

                     

                    The government provides many services that we depend on, and those jobs are not being done.

                     

                    It’s almost like POTUS has forgotten the “America First” and “Make America Great Again” slogans he’s been spouting and replaced them with something dire.

                     

                    Close a trail for bears? Whenever I see a bear on a trail, it’s always running away from me. I’m not worried about bears as much as I am about our POTUS.

                     

                    ~ Jane

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                      SJRiegel Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                      https://forums.adobe.com/people/Peru+Bob  wrote

                       

                      They have always been paid retroactively, so those who are not considered essential get extra vacation days, while others like law enforcement, continue to work without getting paid until the mess is fixed.

                      The furloughed employees of the government have always been paid retroactively in the past, but this requires a bill to pass both houses, and the president to sign it. There is no guarantee that this will happen this time around.

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                        Peru Bob Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                        It would be political suicide to vote against a bill like that.  Even if it were vetoed, there would be enough votes to overturn the veto.