20 Replies Latest reply on Jan 31, 2008 5:16 AM by alan_tomkins

    ImageReady CS2, I miss you...

    HousealCreative
      Am I the only one out there who misses ImageReady? (Actually, I already know I'm not.) Fireworks CS3 is a big heap of bloat and Macromedia-era "usability" (or lack thereof). I love the rest of CS3 and happily use InDesign, Illustrator, Photoshop, Lightroom... but for those like me who prefer to handcode our sites and develop outside the Dreamweaver world, Fireworks is just miserable.

      Please, Adobe... bring it back! Just give us file compatibility with the newer versions of Illustrator, etc... and perhaps multiple pages and/or multiple sets of slices within a single file. Otherwise, ImageReady is fine as is, and until something significantly better and more usable comes along, I'll stick with ImageReady CS2.
        • 1. Re: ImageReady CS2, I miss you...
          heathrowe Most Valuable Participant
          Good for you :)

          As for bemoaning IR, you should have done that a year and half ago when the PS CS3 Beta was public and plenty of folks tried to make there case known.

          h
          • 2. Re: ImageReady CS2, I miss you...
            HousealCreative Level 1
            I held off at the time because I thought it was just me, that I wasn't following along with their new "enhanced workflow." I recently downloaded the trial and gave it a good whirl, but I just don't get it...
            • 3. Re: ImageReady CS2, I miss you...
              heathrowe Most Valuable Participant
              Don't sweat it :) plenty of IR I miss too, but Fw (even though it's been there all along) pretty much picks up, can do, and then some, that functionality.

              Is there something in particularly, Fw related you need assistance with?

              h
              • 4. Re: ImageReady CS2, I miss you...
                HousealCreative Level 1
                No, but thanks... at this point it's just a general rant and whine. :)

                I may give it another go down the road a bit, but for now, with projects stacking up and the need to quickly and efficiently produce sliced graphics, FW just isn't getting me there.
                • 5. Re: ImageReady CS2, I miss you...
                  heathrowe Most Valuable Participant
                  Right on..
                  h
                  • 6. Re: ImageReady CS2, I miss you...
                    Level 7
                    chouseal wrote:
                    > Am I the only one out there who misses ImageReady? (Actually, I already know
                    > I'm not.) Fireworks CS3 is a big heap of bloat and Macromedia-era "usability"
                    > (or lack thereof). I love the rest of CS3 and happily use InDesign,
                    > Illustrator, Photoshop, Lightroom... but for those like me who prefer to
                    > handcode our sites and develop outside the Dreamweaver world, Fireworks is just
                    > miserable.
                    >
                    > Please, Adobe... bring it back! Just give us file compatibility with the newer
                    > versions of Illustrator, etc... and perhaps multiple pages and/or multiple sets
                    > of slices within a single file. Otherwise, ImageReady is fine as is, and until
                    > something significantly better and more usable comes along, I'll stick with
                    > ImageReady CS2.
                    >

                    Aside from making the adjustment to new software, are you having any
                    specific problems? How exactly does Fireworks get in the way of your
                    hand coding a site?

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                    • 7. Re: ImageReady CS2, I miss you...
                      Level 7
                      I too had an awful moment with animated GIFs between FW and IR.

                      My past workflow was to use IR to paste together still bitmap exports
                      into an animated GIF. And I loved it. It worked with exports from any
                      source application and I was befuddled in FW (well at least initially).

                      The big drawback with my past workflow was making amendments or adjustments.

                      Juggling or re-editing a bitmap image is not as easy as one hopes.

                      Until!

                      I amended my workflow to design in FW and to animate in FW.

                      Re-editing of vector constructs is easy-peasy in FW.
                      It is a different workflow and it does require some exploration but
                      using a "ditch the past, re-learn the future" methodology is quite helpful.



                      chouseal wrote:
                      > Am I the only one out there who misses ImageReady? (Actually, I already know
                      > I'm not.) Fireworks CS3 is a big heap of bloat and Macromedia-era "usability"
                      > (or lack thereof). I love the rest of CS3 and happily use InDesign,
                      > Illustrator, Photoshop, Lightroom... but for those like me who prefer to
                      > handcode our sites and develop outside the Dreamweaver world, Fireworks is just
                      > miserable.
                      >
                      > Please, Adobe... bring it back! Just give us file compatibility with the newer
                      > versions of Illustrator, etc... and perhaps multiple pages and/or multiple sets
                      > of slices within a single file. Otherwise, ImageReady is fine as is, and until
                      > something significantly better and more usable comes along, I'll stick with
                      > ImageReady CS2.
                      >
                      • 8. Re: ImageReady CS2, I miss you...
                        JoeDaSilva Level 4
                        I've been using Fireworks for about ten years now and could barely function professionally with out it. Instead of coming in here and calling our preferred software "bloat", why don't you make an effort to educate yourself on its use?

                        Maybe you'll at least save yourself from sounding like an idiot.
                        • 9. Re: ImageReady CS2, I miss you...
                          Level 7
                          JoeyD1978 wrote:
                          > I've been using Fireworks for about ten years now and could barely function
                          > professionally with out it. Instead of coming in here and calling our preferred
                          > software "bloat", why don't you make an effort to educate yourself on its use?

                          Well said.

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                          • 10. Re: ImageReady CS2, I miss you...
                            HousealCreative Level 1
                            For those who replied in sincerity, Fireworks doesn't necessarily get in my way of handcoding a site, but as I said before it is quite clearly geared toward those who will take their projects from Fireworks into Dreamweaver for production. ImageReady was simply aimed more at a particular task, as opposed to a particular workflow.

                            Sheesh, people... if you disagree, then so be it. I didn't force you to read my post, nor reply to it. The fact that your "preferred software" isn't mine doesn't make me an idiot; in fact, your completely uncalled-for and unhelpful response makes you look like one. I was simply using an Adobe forum to publicly express my frustration and to see if perhaps there were others who felt the same. Googling the subject reveals I am indeed not the only one.
                            • 11. Re: ImageReady CS2, I miss you...
                              goatmud
                              i too miss imageready. i just got cs3 and since imagready is discontinued i decided to suck it up and learn fireworks. fireworks is okay and has many more features but it is frustrating. I don't like the way frames are used sharing between rollovers and animations. In IR i could design my whole page with individual rollovers and animations. I can;t figure out how to incorporate rollovers and animations since it seems to only read frames one way or the other. and why do you have to create a slice to create a rollover in FW? In IR i could have multiple rollovers and animations in one slice just using hotspots, but its seems hotspots only work with a linking slice? is there any way to do this?
                              • 12. Re: ImageReady CS2, I miss you...
                                Level 7
                                On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 22:25:50 +0000 (UTC), "chouseal"
                                <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote:

                                >For those who replied in sincerity, Fireworks doesn't necessarily get in my way
                                >of handcoding a site, but as I said before it is quite clearly geared toward
                                >those who will take their projects from Fireworks into Dreamweaver for
                                >production.

                                I disagree. I have never let Fireworks write any code, but it's by
                                far my preferred web graphics application.

                                Photoshop is fine when I'm working on photographs for print.
                                Illustrator is fine when I'm working on vector graphics for print.

                                Fireworks is for when I'm working on web graphics.

                                And Dreamweaver is for writing code...

                                Win
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                                • 13. Re: ImageReady CS2, I miss you...
                                  Level 7
                                  chouseal wrote:
                                  > For those who replied in sincerity, Fireworks doesn't necessarily get in my way
                                  > of handcoding a site, but as I said before it is quite clearly geared toward
                                  > those who will take their projects from Fireworks into Dreamweaver for
                                  > production. ImageReady was simply aimed more at a particular task, as opposed
                                  > to a particular workflow.

                                  Comments like "Fireworks CS3 is a big heap of bloat and Macromedia-era
                                  "usability" (or lack thereof)" don't engender much friendly feelings
                                  either, chousel. If you're new to the app, yeah it's going to be an
                                  adjustment, but with the exception of a couple cool features in IR, I
                                  think FW is a superlative app in many ways, because of its speed and
                                  flexibility.

                                  It has round trip capabilities geared toward DW, yes. But DW now has
                                  similar functionality with Photoshop, not including html component of
                                  FW, which very few people use for anything other than mock ups. For that
                                  matter, anything Adobe felt WAS useful from IR was incorporated into PS.

                                  I use both PS and FW. Been using both for years. IR? Honestly I never
                                  had much use for it because I felt it was limited. I was already well
                                  into the FW workflow by the time IR made an appearance. But that doesn't
                                  mean others (yourself included) found it to work for you. And that's the
                                  important thing, isn't it?

                                  FW is a web-centric graphics app, with a great deal of flexibility for
                                  not just optimizing and slicing, but designing entire mock ups and other
                                  screen-based needs. Is the workflow different? Yes. But it is also a
                                  workflow that tends to help you move more quickly through a project,
                                  once you've got a handle on it.

                                  So hey, if you've got questions about how to help you make that
                                  transition and get FW working for you, then please ask. We're full of
                                  advice in that department.


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                                  • 14. Re: ImageReady CS2, I miss you...
                                    Level 7
                                    Hey Win! Nice to see ya. You going to TODCon this year?

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                                    • 15. Re: ImageReady CS2, I miss you...
                                      Level 7
                                      goatmud wrote:
                                      > i too miss imageready. i just got cs3 and since imagready is discontinued i
                                      > decided to suck it up and learn fireworks. fireworks is okay and has many more
                                      > features but it is frustrating. I don't like the way frames are used sharing
                                      > between rollovers and animations. In IR i could design my whole page with
                                      > individual rollovers and animations. I can;t figure out how to incorporate
                                      > rollovers and animations since it seems to only read frames one way or the
                                      > other. and why do you have to create a slice to create a rollover in FW? In IR
                                      > i could have multiple rollovers and animations in one slice just using
                                      > hotspots, but its seems hotspots only work with a linking slice? is there any
                                      > way to do this?
                                      >

                                      Rollovers can also be created using button symbols, which means they
                                      don't share the frames you are using for animation.

                                      You create a slice for a rollover because at some point, you must export
                                      those rollover graphics at matching sizes. Hot spots are for creating
                                      image maps. They do not get sliced into individual images. Frankly, I'd
                                      leave them out of the FW equation (unless you're creating a click
                                      through mock up), as image maps can be created in DW or your preferred
                                      html editor. Perhaps IR could convert those hotshots to slices after the
                                      fact, but I can't say as it's not an app I really used.

                                      ImageReady users, these links might help:

                                      http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=kb400899

                                      http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=kb400887&sliceId=2



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                                      • 16. Re: ImageReady CS2, I miss you...
                                        Level 7
                                        chouseal wrote:
                                        > Am I the only one out there who misses ImageReady? (Actually, I already know
                                        > I'm not.) Fireworks CS3 is a big heap of bloat and Macromedia-era "usability"
                                        > (or lack thereof).

                                        Go troll somewhere else.

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                                        • 17. Re: ImageReady CS2, I miss you...
                                          Level 7
                                          On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:13:01 -0500, "Jim Babbage .:CMX:. & .:Adobe
                                          Community Expert:." <jbabbage@newmediaservices.ca> wrote:

                                          >Hey Win! Nice to see ya. You going to TODCon this year?


                                          Probably not -- hubby has limited vacation windows this year due to
                                          major refinery construction startups, and we've got a trip to Spain
                                          planned.

                                          Win
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                                          • 18. Re: ImageReady CS2, I miss you...
                                            goatmud Level 1
                                            what about creating multiple animations one the same page? In IR each rollover has it's own animation timeline but in fireworks there is just one frame timeline. I tried getting around this by putting a animation symbol in the over state on a button but it won't let me. thoughts?
                                            • 19. Re: ImageReady CS2, I miss you...
                                              Level 7
                                              goatmud wrote:
                                              > what about creating multiple animations one the same page? In IR each rollover
                                              > has it's own animation timeline but in fireworks there is just one frame
                                              > timeline. I tried getting around this by putting a animation symbol in the over
                                              > state on a button but it won't let me. thoughts?
                                              >

                                              create an animation symbol on frame two of your main design?

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                                              • 20. Re: ImageReady CS2, I miss you...
                                                alan_tomkins
                                                I have a great deal of sympathy on this subject. I have the opposite problem I've been using Fireworks since it was introduced but have not used Photoshop due to cost. I now have PS as part of Web Design Premium and am really struggling to get to grips with it. I regularly give up and return to PhotoImpact 12.
                                                Like any software it takes time to "get it". Persevere as Fireworks is truly excellent as I am sure PS is.
                                                Alan